Anime |OT| Summer 2019 - Avenge the Off Modeled

SolidSnakeBoy

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May 21, 2018
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Vinland Saga, Given, Dr Stone, Demon Slayer,Lord il me...the second, Fruit Basket, and Fire Force in that order. Also Carole and Tuesday first half on Netflix.
 

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何これ
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Oct 24, 2017
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Granbelm is one of the best shows this season, if not the best, and everyone that wrote it off after one or none episodes are looking quite silly right about now. What a great story has unfolded.
 
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SliceSabre

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Oct 25, 2017
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Granbelm is my surprise of the season, I was totally ready to throw it under the bus before it aired. Glad I gave it a chance.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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After the latest presentation of Production I.G's upcoming first "4K HDR" project, called Sol Levante (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecr_02W2Csw), Hisashi Ezura has taken the opportunity to recollect on his blog prior experimentation of efficient 4K resolution and HDR production methods or workflow, his involvement with along some processes useful in the making of Sol Levante itself, and musings about the current state of the volume-based key animation and in-between animation work required.

The later blog post certainly paints an excruciatingly bleak vision of a very possible impending collapse in the current production line method for Japanese animation. Mr. Ezura writes about how 30 years ago his objective of 1000 sheets per month to obtain 120000 JPY (at 120 JPY per unit/sheet) was attainable not without its difficulty, and some were aiming at 2000 or even 3000 per month, but compared to how the average in current times is in comparison only 200 JPY per unit for in-betweens or 'dōga' (he mentions some productions can expend 400 JPY per unit, which is rare), with a dramatic increase in time consumed due to detailing linework for 2K resolution to resolve, the situation is even more miserable now. Furthermore, according to Mr. Ezura, for a 4K resolution to be target definition in projects things in the near future could get worse to the point of disaster; he explains how his experiments needed for him to scan at least 4 whole pages of 'AJA Fr01' A4 layout paper standard (combined are equivalent to the A2 size) and stitch them later together digitally, as scanning bigger formats like A2 or A3 is harder with current common equipment even at professional studio depts., just because scans of A4 size at the 375 DPI necessary to resolve 4K UHD or DCI 4K resolution lack the obligatory detail 'finesse' to extract from strokes in the usual draftmanship.

As a solution, Mr. Ezura calls for rapid and broader implementation of something similar to "cut-out techniques for animation" (or "カットアウトの作画技術"), blurring the boundaries between individual sheets and all-encompassing digital canvases, which would render the system of paying per unit/sheet more unsuitable to gauge legitimately, or eventually irrelevant. Making in response a fair monthly salary structure in common for every employee within a studio in charge of a project (extensible to outsourcing entities) would then be an easier and also a more proper end remedy for the situation.

These valuable nuggets of information help in understanding that fast technological advancements, without initiating a well planned adaptation or transition period, can ultimately bring down the whole production line before being definitely an aid in the long term.
Thank you for this summary. Hopefully changes will be able to happen to avoid the worst-case collapse scenario.

But, but... Mr. Kigami's episode, man! :-(
I know his episode 9 gets the most praise out of Tamako Market, and maybe my expectations were just raised too high, but I didn't find it an especially engaging episode. I honestly liked Takemoto's episode 8 and Ogawa's episode 10 better.
 

KharmaPolice

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Oct 25, 2017
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It baffles the mind that the anime industry is now chasing native 4k production but is still relying on scanning in sheets of paper instead of switching over to digital drawing. And it seems like they aren't even considering it as a possible solution to make production smoother.
 

Sterok

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Oct 25, 2017
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Aikatsu Friends 73

Part 1 of idols vs climate change. I lost track of how that's supposed to work and am just rolling with it now. I suppose it's important that they have a live audience instead of streaming it? Good thing there wasn't a surprise blizzard that evening, or a lot of people would be freezing to death in the audience. All the joke idols are done day 1, so now onto the main event.
 

/XX/

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Oct 25, 2017
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Spain
Thank you for this summary. Hopefully changes will be able to happen to avoid the worst-case collapse scenario.
Thanks! I tried to bring some of the most interesting points, but even so and due to my limited understanding of the language I'd definitely encourage anyone to try for themselves reading or translating them in its entirety, because Mr. Ezura blog posts are always worth it.

I know his episode 9 gets the most praise out of Tamako Market, and maybe my expectations were just raised too high, but I didn't find it an especially engaging episode. I honestly liked Takemoto's episode 8 and Ogawa's episode 10 better.
Personally, and as far as I remember, Mr. Kigami's episode in Tamako Market is of note not only due to its varied visual and narrative flair and penchant for lived-in and real atmospheres with good use of the tridimensional space for its 'mise-en-scène', but also the added intricacies and masterful juggling between three parallel love stories that reflect on each other (with their own mood, ups and downs). Achieving that complexity, without running thin or too interspersed for each plot line or overbearing for one of them, requieres a very carefully calculated understanding of pacing which can be curtailed by such short running time for one mere episode. The end result could feel natural on its execution, but making it appear so simple is the demonstration of how complicated it really is to achieve; presenting Mamedai & Hinako's softly and ingeniously presented melancholic old relationship as the backbone of the episode without overpowering the rest of plots, but instead with its presence accentuating well enough in contrast the sweet innocence of youth from Anko and Mochizō happenings felt like a differing or special enough success to me, in comparison to the rest of the series.

It left a very good impression in me, but I suppose I'd have to revisit the episode to articulate better or mend accordingly what I think of it!
 
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Kuro

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Oct 25, 2017
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What have been the shows people have been enjoying this season?
Teasing Master Takagi-San and Carole & Tuesday are the only shows I've enjoyed. Vinland saga is okay as well. Everything else varies from a visual feast but a complete slog with bad writing or just plain bad.
 

Hyun Sai

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Oct 27, 2017
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What are the really good original animes of these last years ? When it's adapted from manga, I always end reading the source material pretty quickly... :(
 

hyouko

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Oct 27, 2017
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What are the really good original animes of these last years ? When it's adapted from manga, I always end reading the source material pretty quickly... :(
I'm honestly struggling to come up with a ton of recent non-adapted shows. A Place Further than the Universe is definitely one, and one of the best shows in recent memory, so there's that. I think folks generally liked Zombie Land Saga from last year , if idol shows are at all your thing (not mine). In 2017, there's Trigger's Little Witch Academia show, which has some flaws but may yet be worth a watch.

If we're including movies, there have been plenty of solid original movies. The Night is Short, Walk On Girl is technically an adaptation of a book, but assuming that you have not read the book it's great. Hosoda has put out some strong films (Mirai, Wolf Children). If you are at all into anime you have probably already seen Your Name, but if not, it's great, go watch it.
 

Baka_Bishie

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Oct 26, 2017
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What are the really good original animes of these last years ? When it's adapted from manga, I always end reading the source material pretty quickly... :(
Just some that pop to mind after consulting a list of shows I've liked over the last few years:
  • A Place Further Than the Universe - One of the best "girls do something together" shows... ever? An inspiring journey following some high school girls on a trip to Antarctica to make the most out of their youth.
  • Aggressive Retsuko - One of the most harsh examinations of the modern Japanese workplace I've seen in a while, Sanrio's newest character stars in an office comedy that's much darker than the cutesy look of the characters often suggests.
  • Flip Flappers - Perhaps one of the more contentious magical girl shows to come out in recent years; it's more a collection of one-off ideas pulled from all kinds of genres slapped into one beautiful package. Check it out if you like great animation and weird art projects.
  • Kemono Friends - A surreal slice-of-life CG anime with animal-based humanoid girls; funny and surprisingly educational, this is one of those "better than the sum of its parts" shows. It's hard to describe what makes it tick, but by only a few episodes you'll likely be hooked.
  • Little Witch Academia - I shouldn't really have to introduce this one, and while opinions on the television show are rightly split I think it's a very charming show that has its moments, even if its nowhere near as consistent in quality as the original OVA. Still, I think it's worth the time, as it is incredibly charming.
  • Planet With - The first original anime penned by Satoshi Mizukami, this is a love letter to the mecha genre that somehow explores every time period of the genre while being wholly consistent in its internal narrative. Witty and perfectly paced, it's worth checking out even if the production is lacking.
  • Princess Principal - A gorgeous and action-packed Victorian spy thriller from the studio that made Flip Flappers, Princess Principal drops the art project vibe for a dark, steampunk romp through 19th century London. Not to be missed!
  • Rage of Bahamut: Genesis - A spectacular use of an otherwise generic fantasy license, this mobile game tie-in has nothing to do with the game other than borrowing its setting. But as a compilation of a lot of fantasy tropes and cliches, it knows how to have fun (think Princess Bride, though maybe a little less silly). Also, perhaps the best dub in years; Ian Sinclair is phenomenal!
  • Re:CREATORS - It takes a while for the concept to reach its full potential, but Rei Hiroe does some really interesting stuff with narrative conventions; a great reverse-isekai and worth the investment to watch.
  • Sarazanmai - As with most Ikuhara anime, YMMV, but it's a pretty decent show overall, though perhaps not his strongest; it is gorgeous though even if it's not as thematically cohesive as I would have liked.
  • Thunderbolt Fantasy - It's not anime, but Urobochi brings his A-game to this stunningly gorgeous live-action puppet martial arts fantasy epic; both seasons are excellent and quite different from one another.
  • Uma Musume: Pretty Derby - A bizarre premise for a racing-based sports anime starring horse girls; full of unbridled energy, it delivers well on being a mobile game tie-in for a game that will likely never come out.
  • Zombie Land Saga - A comical take on idol shows with zombies as the leads; surprisingly progressive and heartfelt, this is something that usually tries to juggle so much it should never have worked, and yet it's a smashing success - who would've thought?
 

Hyun Sai

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm honestly struggling to come up with a ton of recent non-adapted shows. A Place Further than the Universe is definitely one, and one of the best shows in recent memory, so there's that. I think folks generally liked Zombie Land Saga from last year , if idol shows are at all your thing (not mine). In 2017, there's Trigger's Little Witch Academia show, which has some flaws but may yet be worth a watch.

If we're including movies, there have been plenty of solid original movies. The Night is Short, Walk On Girl is technically an adaptation of a book, but assuming that you have not read the book it's great. Hosoda has put out some strong films (Mirai, Wolf Children). If you are at all into anime you have probably already seen Your Name, but if not, it's great, go watch it.
Just some that pop to mind after consulting a list of shows I've liked over the last few years:
  • A Place Further Than the Universe - One of the best "girls do something together" shows... ever? An inspiring journey following some high school girls on a trip to Antarctica to make the most out of their youth.
  • Aggressive Retsuko - One of the most harsh examinations of the modern Japanese workplace I've seen in a while, Sanrio's newest character stars in an office comedy that's much darker than the cutesy look of the characters often suggests.
  • Flip Flappers - Perhaps one of the more contentious magical girl shows to come out in recent years; it's more a collection of one-off ideas pulled from all kinds of genres slapped into one beautiful package. Check it out if you like great animation and weird art projects.
  • Kemono Friends - A surreal slice-of-life CG anime with animal-based humanoid girls; funny and surprisingly educational, this is one of those "better than the sum of its parts" shows. It's hard to describe what makes it tick, but by only a few episodes you'll likely be hooked.
  • Little Witch Academia - I shouldn't really have to introduce this one, and while opinions on the television show are rightly split I think it's a very charming show that has its moments, even if its nowhere near as consistent in quality as the original OVA. Still, I think it's worth the time, as it is incredibly charming.
  • Planet With - The first original anime penned by Satoshi Mizukami, this is a love letter to the mecha genre that somehow explores every time period of the genre while being wholly consistent in its internal narrative. Witty and perfectly paced, it's worth checking out even if the production is lacking.
  • Princess Principal - A gorgeous and action-packed Victorian spy thriller from the studio that made Flip Flappers, Princess Principal drops the art project vibe for a dark, steampunk romp through 19th century London. Not to be missed!
  • Rage of Bahamut: Genesis - A spectacular use of an otherwise generic fantasy license, this mobile game tie-in has nothing to do with the game other than borrowing its setting. But as a compilation of a lot of fantasy tropes and cliches, it knows how to have fun (think Princess Bride, though maybe a little less silly). Also, perhaps the best dub in years; Ian Sinclair is phenomenal!
  • Re:CREATORS - It takes a while for the concept to reach its full potential, but Rei Hiroe does some really interesting stuff with narrative conventions; a great reverse-isekai and worth the investment to watch.
  • Sarazanmai - As with most Ikuhara anime, YMMV, but it's a pretty decent show overall, though perhaps not his strongest; it is gorgeous though even if it's not as thematically cohesive as I would have liked.
  • Thunderbolt Fantasy - It's not anime, but Urobochi brings his A-game to this stunningly gorgeous live-action puppet martial arts fantasy epic; both seasons are excellent and quite different from one another.
  • Uma Musume: Pretty Derby - A bizarre premise for a racing-based sports anime starring horse girls; full of unbridled energy, it delivers well on being a mobile game tie-in for a game that will likely never come out.
  • Zombie Land Saga - A comical take on idol shows with zombies as the leads; surprisingly progressive and heartfelt, this is something that usually tries to juggle so much it should never have worked, and yet it's a smashing success - who would've thought?
Thanks guys, I'll look into it !
 
One's Descent Into Madness

moogs

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Oct 25, 2017
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My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute. 16 [END]

Cherry blossoms briefly interrupt Kyousuke on his last walk to school with Manami. Being ignored for so long affords her no similar sense of finality, but what a long winter it's been. The siblings were openly dating since Christmas, to almost everyone's support. He says his goodbyes to the club at school. On his way out, a hallucination of Ruri catches him. She congratulates him before vanishing in the blink of an eye—lost forevermore from his sight. Kirino's own graduation ceremony "ended early," so she meets him at the gates. They then march in silence towards the envoy of the beginning of the end, Manami.

Although Kyousuke never told her anything, Manami knew this day would come. Despair was all she felt, not anger. Because Kirino's no longer a kid, it's time to take off the gloves. Kirino's core is rammed by a fist with a decade's worth of weight behind it. The little sister fires back with her signature slap, refusing to admit sin. If only Kirino didn't exist. Manami's right hook finds Kirino's jaw. If only Manami stayed out of the family's affairs. Kirino's own hook breaks Manami's glasses. As her childhood bond with Kyousuke doesn't let Manami down, so too, Kirino's "birthright" to her love for her brother cannot be broken.

Manami finds them both vile and abnormal. They can't marry. They can never tell their parents. Someone's going to be hurt whether or not their feelings last. She pleads for them to open their eyes, to be normal again. Manami knows about their incest porn collection too, which she blames. Realizing the history between the two combatants, Kyousuke chooses to protect Kirino's innocent past. It's time for him to work his magic. He accepts everything that Manami has had to say, then starts to berate his own existence (pro-incest protagonist). Is he foolish? No. Instead, he'll take the fight to common sense itself.

The childhood friend finally brandishes her dagger: what if Manami tells his father? On one knee, he begs her not to and look the other way. What if she refuses? In such a case, he'll give in to the fate of a fool. In tears, she directs her final appeal his way and confesses her feelings for him. The choice is obvious. From the bottom of his heart, he shouts his love for his little sister. With that, the fourth horsewoman is slain for his little sister's sake—Ruri, Ayase, and Kanako await Manami in Valhalla. Even in death, however, she clutches a rope in her hand. At any moment, it could pull the very ground beneath their feet and plunge them into the depths of hell. Regardless of being petrified in love, this bluff was fruitless. The forbidden lemon the siblings had the pleasure of sharing together was already drying up.

After Manami's depature from their world, Kirino sucker punches her brother-counselor-lover-fiance. Why, why, why does he pull all these stupid stunts just to please her? Everything would have worked out if they kept it a secret! Yes, but they've been flagrantly open about their relationship for her enjoyment. She cries that he'll be left with nothing when it's over. This earns her the hero's signature head pat. After sweeping everything under the rug with his tainted hand, he reminds her that they've got a wedding ceremony to see through before it's time to wake up.

The hall is as empty as their hearts; filled with nothing but each other. Her disbelief leads him to question if he had perhaps made a mistake. A sudden hug erases all doubt. She's super-duper happy. For the last time as his fiance, she thanks her brother for everything. Being his little sister made her glad. To be her older brother had made him glad as well. Neither of them would of had it any other way. After these vows, they share their kiss. It's performed flawlessly, not at all effected by the thought of what they're doing. The world around them is small enough for that. No friends nor family, no music nor applause, no tears of joy but their own—all alone as they stand before God.

When they break from each other's embrace, so too breaks their union. It was only for the moment their lips were connected that they considered themselves man and wife. Graduation was the sunset clause on their pact. From that moment, they graduated from being kids and from their life of real incest. Two birds, one stone. That precious stone is then plucked off her finger and returned to Kyousuke. The ring that burned a hole in his pocket now burns a hole between them.

An immediate divorce doesn't mean that Kirino will divorce herself from incest porn, as she continues her pilgrimages to Akibahara on some beautiful afternoon. Kyousuke finally reminds her of the promise to do anything for him if he passed his exams. He uses it now to steal a kiss from her, in broad daylight. On a busy street. For Kirino, this means that they have more "life counseling" ahead of them when they get home. For me, it means the nightmare continues, but through Kyousuke's voice, the creator is happy if it made us laugh in the end—even just once. How cute.


Love is blind.

My, my, my... where to begin. There is zero reason to believe this ends here. The audience has only been spared because Kirino is no longer a middle school girl, so her charm expired. She's no longer a "little" sister. Yes, I've caught on to your little scheme, mister creator. Rather than incest, Oreimo is more wholly about romancing middle school girls. It results in an incestuous pair, but that couple breaks it off once Kirino "graduates." Ruri was a middle school girl when she fell in love with Kyousuke. Once she was in high school though, she had no chance and he did not want to pursue a relationship on his own accord (Kirino made him do it). Ayase confessed to him, but was too late. Kanako confessed to him, but he was taken by that time. What about Manami? A high school girl. Saori? Looked too old (as tall or taller than himself). Both incestuous vibes and relationships with middle school girls (that looked the part) are omnipresent throughout the story, but the latter doesn't get talked about nearly as much as the former. Now remember that Kyousuke isn't a minor by Japanese standards... Ugh.

On the other hand, the creator is good at arranging dense scenes to lead to a desired conclusion in a simple but entertaining way. While I can't agree with the overall conclusion, Oreimo is delivered with enough care to be at least engaging. It provides alternatives routes, and discarded them, even mixing them into its true color. They aren't disconnected paths either, like in many other works. Where I can give it the most credit is in the consistency. Still, I wonder what possessed this creator to complete the little sister route at the cost of a successful comedy, but whatever. No need to harp on it.

Was Ayase's very existence literally sent into the abyss? I'm afraid I'm going to have to dismiss Manami as well, who I guess didn't tell the parents anything. She did poorly to never bring up sex or having children too. Useless to the end. Impressive. This is a comedy alright. Full of paper tigers too. Why? Because every voice of reason is another admirer of the protagonist. They will not hurt him—they simply cannot in a story where love is to be protected at all costs. There's more lampshading at the end with Makabe too. Despite their brotherhood of secrecy, Akagi Kouhei and Kousaka Kyousuke never called each other by first name either. By the way, Mikagami was married to his 2D wives. Kyousuke never had any real competition or male friends.

Did the father really understand what that porn game was? I don't think so. Should he have looked more into it? Absolutely. Take a real interest in your kid's world... like you did for Kyousuke when he asked for help to pacify Ayase. Were the siblings products or monsters? It's both, really. Kyousuke had alternatives though, so he bears a lot of the weight in that regard. On the same side of that scale is Kirino's incest porn collection though. No amount of paper tigers were going to tip it. All these kids needed real counseling, and Kanako could use a CAT scan due to her shoddy memory.

Kousaka Kirino has no redeeming qualities. She learned nothing. Only restraint in public, which her brother will erode eventually. So much for going abroad after graduation too, huh. The little liar stayed true to herself to the very end. Speaking of which, I never explicitly stated that this was a first viewing. It was necessary for me to eradicate this from the nostalgic recesses of my mind... There was a time when Angel Beats was my favorite anime. In my naivety, I ate up things like it, Oreimo, and Kanon. Then, I came across this community when it was someplace else. I understood Kirino's loneliness if nothing else, and I hate that I did. In the end, she got the attention she wanted but not the kind she deserved.

As much as I've written about Oreimo, It'd amount to maybe a single chapter. To think that there are many chapters to the many volumes of Oreimo...
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Domestic violence count: 40.5 | Sexual abuse count: .666
 
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djinn

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Nov 16, 2017
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My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute. 16 [END]

Cherry blossoms briefly interrupt Kyousuke on his last walk to school with Manami. Being ignored for so long affords her no similar sense of finality, but what a long winter it's been. The siblings were openly dating since Christmas, to almost everyone's support. He says his goodbyes to the club at school. On his way out, a hallucination of Ruri catches him. She congratulates him before vanishing in the blink of an eye—lost forevermore from his sight. Kirino's own graduation ceremony "ended early," so she meets him at the gates. They then march in silence towards the envoy of the beginning of the end, Manami.

Although Kyousuke never told her anything, Manami knew this day would come. Despair was all she felt, not anger. Because Kirino's no longer a kid, it's time to take off the gloves. Kirino's core is rammed by a fist with a decade's worth of weight behind it. The little sister fires back with her signature slap, refusing to admit sin. If only Kirino didn't exist. Manami's right hook finds Kirino's jaw. If only Manami stayed out of the family's affairs. Kirino's own hook breaks Manami's glasses. As her childhood bond with Kyousuke doesn't let Manami down, so too, Kirino's "birthright" to her love for her brother cannot be broken.

Manami finds them both vile and abnormal. They can't marry, they can never tell their parents. Someone's going to be hurt whether or not their feelings last. She pleads for them to open their eyes, to be normal again. Manami knows about their incest porn collection too, which she blames. Realizing the history between the combatants, Kyousuke chooses to protect Kirino's innocent past. It's time for him to work his magic. He accepts everything that Manami has had to say, then starts to berate his own existence (pro-incest fiction protagonist). Is he foolish? No. Instead, he'll take the fight to common sense itself.

The childhood friend finally brandishes her dagger: what if Manami tells his father? On one knee, he begs her not to and look the other way. What if she refuses? In such a case, he'll give in to the fate of a fool. In tears, she directs her final appeal his way and confesses her feelings for him. The choice is obvious. From the bottom of his heart, he shouts his love for his little sister. With that, the fourth horsewoman is slain for his little sister's sake—Ruri, Ayase, and Kanako await Manami in Valhalla. Even in death, however, she clutches a rope in her hand. At any moment, it could pull the very ground beneath their feet and plunge them into the depths of hell. Despite being petrified in love, her bluff was fruitless. The forbidden lemon the siblings had the pleasure of sharing together was already drying up.

After Manami's depature from their world, Kirino sucker punches her brother-counselor-lover-fiance. Why, why, why does he pull all these stupid stunts just to please her? Everything would have worked out if they kept it a secret! Yes, but they've been flagrantly open about their relationship for her enjoyment. She cries that he'll be left with nothing when it's over. This earns her the hero's signature head pat. After sweeping everything under the rug with his tainted hand, he reminds her that they've got a wedding ceremony to see through before it's time to wake up.

The hall is as empty as their hearts; filled with nothing but each other. Her disbelief leads him to question if he had perhaps made a mistake. A sudden hug erases all doubt. She's super-duper happy. For the last time as his fiance, she thanks her brother for everything. Being his little sister made her glad. To be her older brother had made him glad as well. Neither of them would of had it any other way. After these vows, they share their kiss. It's performed flawlessly, not at all effected by the thought of what they're doing. The world around them is small enough for that. No friends nor family, no music nor applause, no tears of joy but their own—all alone as they stand before God.

When they break from each other's embrace, so too breaks their union. It was only for the moment their lips were connected that they considered themselves man and wife. Graduation was the sunset clause on their pact. From that moment, they graduated from being kids and from their life of real incest. Two birds, one stone. That precious stone is then plucked off her finger and returned to Kyousuke. The ring that burned a hole in his pocket now burns a hole between them.

An immediate divorce doesn't mean that Kirino will divorce herself from incest porn, as she continues her pilgrimages to Akibahara on some beautiful afternoon. Kyousuke finally reminds her of the promise to do anything for him if he passed his exams. He uses it now to steal a kiss from her, in broad daylight. On a busy street. For Kirino, this means that they have more "life counseling" ahead of them when they get home. For me, it means the nightmare continues, but through Kyousuke's voice, the creator is happy if it made us laugh in the end—even just once. How cute.


Love is blind.

My, my, my... where to begin. There is zero reason to believe this ends here. The audience has only been spared because Kirino is no longer a middle school girl, so her charm expired. She's no longer a "little" sister. Yes, I've caught on to your little scheme, mister creator. Rather than incest, Oreimo is more wholly about romancing middle school girls. It results in an incestuous pair, but that couple breaks it off once Kirino "graduates." Ruri was a middle school girl when she fell in love with Kyousuke. Once she was in high school though, she had no chance and he did not want to pursue a relationship on his own accord (Kirino made him do it). Ayase confessed to him, but was too late. Kanako confessed to him, but he was taken by that time. What about Manami? A high school girl. Saori? Looked too old (as tall or taller than himself). Both incestuous vibes and relationships with middle school girls (that looked the part) are omnipresent throughout the story, but the latter doesn't get talked about nearly as much as the former. Now remember that Kyousuke isn't a minor by Japanese standards... Ugh.

On the other hand, the creator is good at arranging dense scenes to lead to a desired conclusion in a simple but entertaining way. While I can't agree with the overall conclusion, Oreimo is delivered with enough care to be at least engaging. It provides alternatives routes, and discarded them, even mixing them into its true color. They aren't disconnected paths either, like in many other works. Where I can give it the most credit is in the consistency. Still, I wonder what possessed this creator to complete the little sister route at the cost of a successful comedy, but whatever. No need to harp on it.

Was Ayase's very existence literally sent into the abyss? I'm afraid I'm going to have to dismiss Manami as well, who I guess didn't tell the parents anything. She did poorly to never bring up sex or having children too. Useless to the end. Impressive. This is a comedy alright. Full of paper tigers too. Why? Because every voice of reason is another admirer of the protagonist. They will not hurt him—they simply cannot in a story where love is to be protected at all costs. There's more lampshading at the end with Makabe too. Despite their brotherhood of secrecy, Akagi Kouhei and Kousaka Kyousuke never called each other by first name either. By the way, Mikagami was married to his 2D wives. Kyousuke never had any real competition or male friends.

Did the father understand what that porn game really was? I don't think so. Should he have looked more into it? Absolutely. Take a real interest in your kid's world... like you did for Kyousuke when he asked for help to pacify Ayase. Were the siblings products or monsters? It's both, really. Kyousuke had alternatives though, so he bears a lot of the weight in that regard. On the same side of that scale is Kirino's incest porn collection though. No amount of paper tigers were going to tip it. All these kids needed real counseling, and Kanako could use a CAT scan due to her shoddy memory.

Kousaka Kirino has no redeeming qualities. She learned nothing. Only restraint in public, which her brother will erode eventually. So much for going abroad after graduation too, huh. The little liar stayed true to herself to the very end. Speaking of which, I never explicitly stated that this was a first viewing. It was necessary for me to eradicate this from the nostalgic recesses of my mind... There was a time when Angel Beats was my favorite anime. In my naivety, I ate up things like it, Oreimo, and Kanon. Then, I came across this community when it was someplace else. I understood Kirino's loneliness if nothing else, and I hate that I did. In the end, she got the attention she wanted, but not the kind she deserved.

As much as I've written about Oreimo, It'd amount to maybe a single chapter. To think that there are many chapters to the many volumes of Oreimo...
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Domestic violence count: 40.5 | Sexual abuse count: .666
To think that the twist was Moogs was the cousin this whole time.
 

moogs

Member
Oct 25, 2017
133
Thank you, peyrin.

Now behold, the only redeemable character in all this:



Kanata Kurusu! Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Rie Kugimiya > Kana Hanazawa.
 

Qudi

Member
Jul 26, 2018
1,573
Assassination classroom S1 Finished

So a colleague from work recommended and pushed me to watch this show after i had this on my watchlist like forever. This is a damn funny show and wholesome at the same time. The whole summer vacation arc at the end was kinda weird. Liked the setup, but the whole infiltration mission felt unnecessary.


Also cant stop watching this halp!

Man i hope Karakai jouzu no takagi-san season 2 is soon legally watchable in germany. I dont want to wait anymore o(≧口≦)o
 

Kirbivore

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,369
My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute. 16 [END]

Cherry blossoms briefly interrupt Kyousuke on his last walk to school with Manami. Being ignored for so long affords her no similar sense of finality, but what a long winter it's been. The siblings were openly dating since Christmas, to almost everyone's support. He says his goodbyes to the club at school. On his way out, a hallucination of Ruri catches him. She congratulates him before vanishing in the blink of an eye—lost forevermore from his sight. Kirino's own graduation ceremony "ended early," so she meets him at the gates. They then march in silence towards the envoy of the beginning of the end, Manami.

Although Kyousuke never told her anything, Manami knew this day would come. Despair was all she felt, not anger. Because Kirino's no longer a kid, it's time to take off the gloves. Kirino's core is rammed by a fist with a decade's worth of weight behind it. The little sister fires back with her signature slap, refusing to admit sin. If only Kirino didn't exist. Manami's right hook finds Kirino's jaw. If only Manami stayed out of the family's affairs. Kirino's own hook breaks Manami's glasses. As her childhood bond with Kyousuke doesn't let Manami down, so too, Kirino's "birthright" to her love for her brother cannot be broken.

Manami finds them both vile and abnormal. They can't marry, they can never tell their parents. Someone's going to be hurt whether or not their feelings last. She pleads for them to open their eyes, to be normal again. Manami knows about their incest porn collection too, which she blames. Realizing the history between the combatants, Kyousuke chooses to protect Kirino's innocent past. It's time for him to work his magic. He accepts everything that Manami has had to say, then starts to berate his own existence (pro-incest fiction protagonist). Is he foolish? No. Instead, he'll take the fight to common sense itself.

The childhood friend finally brandishes her dagger: what if Manami tells his father? On one knee, he begs her not to and look the other way. What if she refuses? In such a case, he'll give in to the fate of a fool. In tears, she directs her final appeal his way and confesses her feelings for him. The choice is obvious. From the bottom of his heart, he shouts his love for his little sister. With that, the fourth horsewoman is slain for his little sister's sake—Ruri, Ayase, and Kanako await Manami in Valhalla. Even in death, however, she clutches a rope in her hand. At any moment, it could pull the very ground beneath their feet and plunge them into the depths of hell. Despite being petrified in love, her bluff was fruitless. The forbidden lemon the siblings had the pleasure of sharing together was already drying up.

After Manami's depature from their world, Kirino sucker punches her brother-counselor-lover-fiance. Why, why, why does he pull all these stupid stunts just to please her? Everything would have worked out if they kept it a secret! Yes, but they've been flagrantly open about their relationship for her enjoyment. She cries that he'll be left with nothing when it's over. This earns her the hero's signature head pat. After sweeping everything under the rug with his tainted hand, he reminds her that they've got a wedding ceremony to see through before it's time to wake up.

The hall is as empty as their hearts; filled with nothing but each other. Her disbelief leads him to question if he had perhaps made a mistake. A sudden hug erases all doubt. She's super-duper happy. For the last time as his fiance, she thanks her brother for everything. Being his little sister made her glad. To be her older brother had made him glad as well. Neither of them would of had it any other way. After these vows, they share their kiss. It's performed flawlessly, not at all effected by the thought of what they're doing. The world around them is small enough for that. No friends nor family, no music nor applause, no tears of joy but their own—all alone as they stand before God.

When they break from each other's embrace, so too breaks their union. It was only for the moment their lips were connected that they considered themselves man and wife. Graduation was the sunset clause on their pact. From that moment, they graduated from being kids and from their life of real incest. Two birds, one stone. That precious stone is then plucked off her finger and returned to Kyousuke. The ring that burned a hole in his pocket now burns a hole between them.

An immediate divorce doesn't mean that Kirino will divorce herself from incest porn, as she continues her pilgrimages to Akibahara on some beautiful afternoon. Kyousuke finally reminds her of the promise to do anything for him if he passed his exams. He uses it now to steal a kiss from her, in broad daylight. On a busy street. For Kirino, this means that they have more "life counseling" ahead of them when they get home. For me, it means the nightmare continues, but through Kyousuke's voice, the creator is happy if it made us laugh in the end—even just once. How cute.


Love is blind.

My, my, my... where to begin. There is zero reason to believe this ends here. The audience has only been spared because Kirino is no longer a middle school girl, so her charm expired. She's no longer a "little" sister. Yes, I've caught on to your little scheme, mister creator. Rather than incest, Oreimo is more wholly about romancing middle school girls. It results in an incestuous pair, but that couple breaks it off once Kirino "graduates." Ruri was a middle school girl when she fell in love with Kyousuke. Once she was in high school though, she had no chance and he did not want to pursue a relationship on his own accord (Kirino made him do it). Ayase confessed to him, but was too late. Kanako confessed to him, but he was taken by that time. What about Manami? A high school girl. Saori? Looked too old (as tall or taller than himself). Both incestuous vibes and relationships with middle school girls (that looked the part) are omnipresent throughout the story, but the latter doesn't get talked about nearly as much as the former. Now remember that Kyousuke isn't a minor by Japanese standards... Ugh.

On the other hand, the creator is good at arranging dense scenes to lead to a desired conclusion in a simple but entertaining way. While I can't agree with the overall conclusion, Oreimo is delivered with enough care to be at least engaging. It provides alternatives routes, and discarded them, even mixing them into its true color. They aren't disconnected paths either, like in many other works. Where I can give it the most credit is in the consistency. Still, I wonder what possessed this creator to complete the little sister route at the cost of a successful comedy, but whatever. No need to harp on it.

Was Ayase's very existence literally sent into the abyss? I'm afraid I'm going to have to dismiss Manami as well, who I guess didn't tell the parents anything. She did poorly to never bring up sex or having children too. Useless to the end. Impressive. This is a comedy alright. Full of paper tigers too. Why? Because every voice of reason is another admirer of the protagonist. They will not hurt him—they simply cannot in a story where love is to be protected at all costs. There's more lampshading at the end with Makabe too. Despite their brotherhood of secrecy, Akagi Kouhei and Kousaka Kyousuke never called each other by first name either. By the way, Mikagami was married to his 2D wives. Kyousuke never had any real competition or male friends.

Did the father understand what that porn game really was? I don't think so. Should he have looked more into it? Absolutely. Take a real interest in your kid's world... like you did for Kyousuke when he asked for help to pacify Ayase. Were the siblings products or monsters? It's both, really. Kyousuke had alternatives though, so he bears a lot of the weight in that regard. On the same side of that scale is Kirino's incest porn collection though. No amount of paper tigers were going to tip it. All these kids needed real counseling, and Kanako could use a CAT scan due to her shoddy memory.

Kousaka Kirino has no redeeming qualities. She learned nothing. Only restraint in public, which her brother will erode eventually. So much for going abroad after graduation too, huh. The little liar stayed true to herself to the very end. Speaking of which, I never explicitly stated that this was a first viewing. It was necessary for me to eradicate this from the nostalgic recesses of my mind... There was a time when Angel Beats was my favorite anime. In my naivety, I ate up things like it, Oreimo, and Kanon. Then, I came across this community when it was someplace else. I understood Kirino's loneliness if nothing else, and I hate that I did. In the end, she got the attention she wanted, but not the kind she deserved.

As much as I've written about Oreimo, It'd amount to maybe a single chapter. To think that there are many chapters to the many volumes of Oreimo...
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Domestic violence count: 40.5 | Sexual abuse count: .666

You did it, you understood the real message behind Oreimo.
 

NSESN

Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,209
Assassination classroom is definitely one of the best and most unique experiences I had watching anime, i wish there was another manga/anime like it again
 

jman2050

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
2,151
Speaking of which, I never explicitly stated that this was a first viewing. It was necessary for me to eradicate this from the nostalgic recesses of my mind... There was a time when Angel Beats was my favorite anime. In my naivety, I ate up things like it, Oreimo, and Kanon. Then, I came across this community when it was someplace else. I understood Kirino's loneliness if nothing else, and I hate that I did. In the end, she got the attention she wanted, but not the kind she deserved.
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And yeah the age of the participants in all this is something I don't see talked about much, which is odd cause people correctly cried foul over Eromanga-sensei for that exact thing even though Sagiri is only slightly younger than Kirino was.

Thank you, peyrin.

Now behold, the only redeemable character in all this:



Kanata Kurusu! Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Rie Kugimiya > Kana Hanazawa.
In the end, you're a cool person.
 

Kuro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,625
arguing over little sister voices when Inoue Kikuko, the big sister, is the best.
 

daveo42

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,727
Ohio
The Melancholy of Harui Suzumiya 7-19
I had watched the first couple of these episodes last week and were fun one-off episodes, even if the bamboo leaf one seems to have some future implications. The Island caper was also fairly interesting in keeping Haruhi busy and distracted with a mystery to solve. Really, I'm here to talk about Endless Eight. Hoo boy...

The concept was insanely good while I feel like the execution felt lacking in places, even if it works very well in the scope of these episodes. I can easily see why this would have been an insane slog to sit through week to week considering everything that happens. I did pick up the twist quite early on, even if at the halfway point I questioned if it was really that simple or not, but the execution was much easier than I expected by the end. I think for the sheer spectacle and experimental nature of this arc makes it worth watching, even if the only way to do that is in one sitting. If I had been watching weekly when S2 had aired, I think I would have bowed out somewhere before episode 4, which I think has that bit in there just to nudge the audience a bit and keep them interested.
The homework bit was super obvious, especially considering how Haruhi words her response to Kyon on getting it done early to keep from being worried about finishing it before the end of summer. I actually expected Kyon to travel back to the start of summer, before their island adventure, and finish his work then, but the end of summer homework session is far more 'traditional high school anime' than using time travel to fix all their problems. As stated above, episode 4 really did make me question my initial thoughts on homework, with maybe something larger or more focused on Haruhi to be the cause, so that at least kept me guessing at least a little.

Again, I think concept is great. An endless Groundshog Day stretched over two weeks and the characters only realize half-way thru they've been repeating things over and over again. I was definitely expecting Nagato to finllay say something, which would have probably cleared things up relatively fast, but that moment never came. With the looping aspect, I think they could have easily trimmed some of this down again or focused on different portions of the conversations or something to at least every episode feel more distinct. Clothing changes were nice to highlight each loop, but it was mind-numbing to sit though the same conversations over and over again. Maddening even.
Anyway, I'm glad I watched the entirety of the arc and can now move on to the next section of the show. Whew...
 

RedSwirl

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,356
I was just thinking about Blue Sub 6 again and found out how convoluted the home video release history of this show is. All I have is the DVD from 2003.

Is the Blu-Ray an upscale or not? What's the best version? Is it out of print?
 

Jintor

Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,184
index movie
wasn't good but the sisters and accelerator turned up in it so that was okay. pacing was breakneck and suffered from the problem all anime series movies do where a movie-only character turns up, almost always a girl, and is the lynchpin of the episode's problems and sidelines basically everything. movie-budget action sequences rule though.

might just watch the rest of Railgun on the basis that it was pretty good. Pacing was actually fairly slow in railgun on episode-speed but it didn't actually feel that way when watching it, which is a good sign? idk. i need to make some actual decisions at some point.
 

peyrin

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,429
California
endless eight stan reporting in

The Melancholy of Harui Suzumiya 7-19
I had watched the first couple of these episodes last week and were fun one-off episodes, even if the bamboo leaf one seems to have some future implications. The Island caper was also fairly interesting in keeping Haruhi busy and distracted with a mystery to solve. Really, I'm here to talk about Endless Eight. Hoo boy...

The concept was insanely good while I feel like the execution felt lacking in places, even if it works very well in the scope of these episodes. I can easily see why this would have been an insane slog to sit through week to week considering everything that happens. I did pick up the twist quite early on, even if at the halfway point I questioned if it was really that simple or not, but the execution was much easier than I expected by the end. I think for the sheer spectacle and experimental nature of this arc makes it worth watching, even if the only way to do that is in one sitting. If I had been watching weekly when S2 had aired, I think I would have bowed out somewhere before episode 4, which I think has that bit in there just to nudge the audience a bit and keep them interested.
The homework bit was super obvious, especially considering how Haruhi words her response to Kyon on getting it done early to keep from being worried about finishing it before the end of summer. I actually expected Kyon to travel back to the start of summer, before their island adventure, and finish his work then, but the end of summer homework session is far more 'traditional high school anime' than using time travel to fix all their problems. As stated above, episode 4 really did make me question my initial thoughts on homework, with maybe something larger or more focused on Haruhi to be the cause, so that at least kept me guessing at least a little.

Again, I think concept is great. An endless Groundshog Day stretched over two weeks and the characters only realize half-way thru they've been repeating things over and over again. I was definitely expecting Nagato to finllay say something, which would have probably cleared things up relatively fast, but that moment never came. With the looping aspect, I think they could have easily trimmed some of this down again or focused on different portions of the conversations or something to at least every episode feel more distinct. Clothing changes were nice to highlight each loop, but it was mind-numbing to sit though the same conversations over and over again. Maddening even.
Anyway, I'm glad I watched the entirety of the arc and can now move on to the next section of the show. Whew...
beyond clothing changes there are a lot of little director quirks that make every episode feel slightly different if you pay close attention - noriko takao's episode has a lot of symbolism and motifs, tatsuya ishihara's episode uses a lot of camera tricks, etc. it's the kind of concept you can only pull off with a deep roster of directors all with their own unique style which is one of kyoani's greatest assets
 

tuffy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
475
I was just thinking about Blue Sub 6 again and found out how convoluted the home video release history of this show is. All I have is the DVD from 2003.

Is the Blu-Ray an upscale or not? What's the best version? Is it out of print?
The Blu-Ray is an upscale, though still an upgrade from the old DVDs. But it is also out-of-print and maybe harder to find new.
 

djinn

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Nov 16, 2017
2,952
Zeta Gundam 16
Amuro is back in action, and he got a new girlfriend very quickly too.

Zeta Gundam 17
oof, do not like Beltorchika. Mirai! Aww her kids are cute. That huge mobile suit is cool. Can anyone tell me the name? Not sure what I think of Four yet. She reminds me of Rosamina.
 
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xEik

The Fallen
Nov 17, 2017
3,327
The Catalan Republic
That huge mobile suit is cool. Can anyone tell me the name?
That's the MRX-009 Psyco Gundam.