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LossAversion

The Merchant of ERA
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Oct 28, 2017
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So the general vibe surrounding Anthem has been... unenthusiastic. It makes sense considering all of the problems with the Destiny franchise, the horrible business decisions coming out of EA, and Bioware's departure from a narrative-driven experience. Despite all of that, I think there are a few good reasons to be optimistic about Anthem.

I don't know how everyone here feels about the multiplayer portion of Mass Effect 3 but my friends and I loved playing it together. It was way more fun and addicting than it had any right to be. I went into ME3's multiplayer pissed off because it felt like it was a tacked on, money-making scheme that I was being forced to play because of the effects it had on the single player experience. Over time it became one of my favorite co-op experiences of all time. It was just a blast to play and it was the perfect "cooldown" game for when you just wanted to relax with your friends. Perhaps Bioware can replicate some of the magic found in this mode with Anthem. If the "dungeons" or "strikes" in Anthem can manage to be half as entertaining as a round of ME3's multiplayer, that'd be a great thing in my book.

Another thing that gives me hope is the gameplay of Mass Effect: Andromeda. Despite all of that game's flaws, the combat and the movement felt better than it ever had before in the Mass Effect series. If the main team at Bioware can manage to expand upon the fluid combat and movement systems found in Andromeda then we'll be in business.

I've been pretty down on Anthem since it was announced. I don't like that we're not getting another story-focused experience from Bioware. I don't like how EA has handled their "games as a service" so far. However, putting my own expectations aside, I feel like Anthem has a chance to be a really fun cooperative game. We certainly need to see more of the game before we can judge it one way or the other but I'm choosing to be a little optimistic.
 

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The beta is where my feelings on the game may change. Even then I will wait awhile before diving in.

But hey, if I keep my expectations low then the game only make me happy right?
 

diablogg

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Oct 31, 2017
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Regardless of how a trailer makes a game look, it's extremely hard for me to be optimistic about an EA game.
 

Xaero Gravity

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Oct 25, 2017
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The general vibe here has been unenthusiastic, doesn't mean the vibe outside of here has been as well. When it comes to how well a game will do, hype around here means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
 

DevilMayGuy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Destiny left a big ass void for them to gobble up. If they pay attention to why people hate D2 they may have a fighting chance.
 

monkaS

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May 13, 2018
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I found the gameplay video to be pretty good. Hope it delivers in the gameplay department.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The general vibe here has been unenthusiastic, doesn't mean the vibe outside of here has been as well. When it comes to how well a game will do, hype around here means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

It's not just here that people are skeptical. After Mass Effect Andromeda and Battlefront 2 no one is giving Bioware or EA the benefit of the doubt.
 

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It all comes down to how much content they deliver at launch, and how quickly they can release additional content to keep the player base engaged. Neither Destiny nor The Division has gotten that right so far, and the first loot shooter that does will be the titan to beat in the genre.
 

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Are we expecting this to have a huge game play blow out at e3?

I'm very curious if it can deliver what the first reveal promised. I'm cautiously optimistic.
 
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The Merchant of ERA
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Oct 28, 2017
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The general vibe here has been unenthusiastic, doesn't mean the vibe outside of here has been as well. When it comes to how well a game will do, hype around here means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
I'm not really concerned with how the game sells though. I'm just hoping that it will turn out to be a fun game.

As for the vibe on Anthem outside of these forums... that doesn't really concern me either since I'm discussing the game with the people on these forums.
 

Xeontech

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Oct 28, 2017
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EA still makes some of my favorite games. Anything made with Frostbite engine gets me giddy tbh.

Hoping and praying this ends up a sleeper hit
 

bsigg

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Oct 25, 2017
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We're 3 weeks away from a huge blowout of information on it so I'm excited to see what Bioware has been able to do in a year.
 

DocSeuss

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Oct 25, 2017
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Walk me through your love for ME3's multiplayer. What makes it good compared to, say, Gears of War 3's Horde mode? The combat in ME3 was always so stiff, the AI wasn't super deep, the AI Variety wasn't that great either, nor was the level design. I realize that everything is more fun in co-op, even Colonial Marines, but like... what, to you, made Mass Effect 3's MP work? I played a few rounds with friends but went back to Gears 3 right after; it just felt so much deeper and more fluid.
 

SilkySm00th

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Oct 31, 2017
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The flying had me sold the moment I saw it. Free and fast cruising around an open world Like iron man has been the dream for days...
 

NullPointer

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Oct 27, 2017
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Regardless of how a trailer makes a game look, it's extremely hard for me to be optimistic about an EA game.
This.

Destiny had the moment-to-moment fun down pat, and failed in everything else. Its that 'everything else' that current trends + EA behavior (and their FIFA-lucre) that has me pessimistic. You can have a great game and still fuck it up in endless ways.

But I won't judge it before I know a lot more. Just wary is all, and reasonably so.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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They're going to have to pull something special out of this for me to take an interest. Been burned too many times by both EA and Bioware. And quite frankly, after putting some time into Destiny I'm less then optimistic for these type of games. We'll see though, I'd love to get back on board with Bioware.
 

TheWordyGuy

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Oct 27, 2017
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I prefer the old Bioware, the one that produced excellent single player RPGs. Anthem, to me, represents the new Bioware, the one that focuses heavily on market trends.
 

Terraforce

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Oct 27, 2017
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The game might be fine in itself. My issue is post launch support and implementation of MTXs. EA full on dropped Mass Effect Andromeda and Battlefront 2 even though they sold well just because they weren't able to get away scotch free. I can see the same happening to Anthem if they don't play their cards right.
 
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The Merchant of ERA
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Oct 28, 2017
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Walk me through your love for ME3's multiplayer. What makes it good compared to, say, Gears of War 3's Horde mode? The combat in ME3 was always so stiff, the AI wasn't super deep, the AI Variety wasn't that great either, nor was the level design. I realize that everything is more fun in co-op, even Colonial Marines, but like... what, to you, made Mass Effect 3's MP work? I played a few rounds with friends but went back to Gears 3 right after; it just felt so much deeper and more fluid.
I love sci-fi in general and I really enjoyed all of the different classes in Mass Effect 3. I'm sure context had a lot to do with it. I never really cared much for the characters or the lore in the Gears of War series but getting to play as an Asari Vanguard or a Salarian Tech Specialist? Awesome. I'm not saying the gameplay was revolutionary or anything but the powers were fun to use, the maps were great, there was a good variety of enemy types, and headshots felt really satisfying. The power combos also added greatly to the feeling of working together with your teammates. It was all of that stuff combined that made ME3's multiplayer a memorable experience for my friends and I.
 

hydruxo

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I'm approaching it cautiously but I'm really excited to see more of it. Hope it turns out well.
 

Landford

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People are weary because the latest loot based GaaS games had a rocky launch (Destiny 2 and Division), and because these games have a exigent fanbase and needs quick adjustments and feedback response in order to keep the playerbase engaged. Pair that with the loot box controversy surrounding BF2, and you got the current climate for Anthem.
 

SavoyPrime

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm trying my best to not pass judgment on it until I get to see something substantial. So I'm being cautiously optimistic. I want Bioware to succeed with this. Mainly cause I'm a Bioware fan and would hate to see EA bury them. Cause if Anthem fails, this will probably be the nail in the coffin for them.
 

krg

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Oct 27, 2017
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is this game online only? because it looks very promising, but if it is.. I'm probably out.
 

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Fun gameplay and weapons, beautiful environments, PvE content with great networking, diverse enemies/fight styles and progression without grinding is what I'm after. Pop in light exploration/RPG and we're good.
 

Breqesk

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Oct 28, 2017
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I hope it does well for them, but the multiplayer focus just kills it for me, no matter how well-executed it ends up being. My first reaction to the game, written on the Waypoint forums just after watching the reveal trailer has, if anything, just solidified further over time:

Honestly, Anthem was probably the biggest disappointment of the whole conference for me. I was really, really into everything I was seeing, right up until someone said, 'and your friends', and the fake Game Bantz™ started up. I just don't really like playing games with other people–or, at least, I've never enjoyed a multiplayer experience anywhere near as much as even a relatively middling singleplayer story-driven RPG. This short excerpt 6 from a conversation I had with a friend of mine as we watched the conference kinda sums up how I ended up feeling about it.

BioWare have been one of my favourite developers for as long as I've been playing games - playing KotOR for the first time was actually the experience that first exposed me to games as a medium - and their bread and butter style of game - big, expensive singleplayer RPGs, full of dialogue trees and main quests and side quests and stories and adventures - remains my absolute favourite.

Now, I've been really hoping that they'd try and mix up their formula for a good long while now - whether that means dumping the traditional party structure, or their reliance on 'saviour of everything' tropes in storytelling, or whatever else they might do - but… Well, there's a pretty huge gap between that, and making a co-op loot shooter.

I wouldn't be so bummed out about it, if it wasn't for the fact that big-budget, story-driven - as opposed to loot-oriented, or whatever Fallout 4 was - singleplayer RPGs are an increasingly rarefied style of game even as it is - Obsidian, still my absolute favourite developer, don't really work with large budgets/publishers any more, which leaves… Well, pretty much just BioWare and CDPR - and so I kinda can't help but feel that Anthem represents a further step towards the genre's demise.

Now, of course, this is all me being unreasonable, selfish even–BioWare can make whatever styles of games they want, and clearly plenty of people are intrigued by what Anthem has to offer. Whatever that is, though, it clearly isn't for me, and as someone who's been playing and enjoying BioWare's games for most of my life, I can't help but be saddened by that.

It's a weird, rather unpleasant feeling to have one of your all-time favourite developers gearing up to release one of their biggest games ever, and to just feel nothing - beyond a kind of wistful longing for a game it was never going to be - about it.

I'm bummed that ERA isn't as gungho about this game as I am.

I have to believe the minds that created some of the GOAT games (ME excluding Andro) are making this incredible game and that's the reason Andromeda had to go to the B team. I have to believe they 'ruined' (hate using that term) the ME franchise for a reason.

But why, though? You're right, BioWare are responsible for a disproportionately large number of the all-time greats, but Anthem - no matter how good it is - is going to be absolutely nothing like those games, by design. Like, the OP said, the closest analogue for it in BioWare's back catalogue is probably ME3 multiplayer, potentially crossed with The Old Republic MMO.
 
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Fiel

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Oct 30, 2017
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It's an EA published game in the end. It's going to have something shady or mismanagement in some way going on. Can't even remember what the last of their great published AAA game is.

Anthem alone is interesting if it is really SP focused game but this seems try to be Destiny so...
 

Gloomz

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm bummed that ERA isn't as gungho about this game as I am.

I have to believe the minds that created some of the GOAT games (ME excluding Andro) are making this incredible game and that's the reason Andromeda had to go to the B team. I have to believe they 'ruined' (hate using that term) the ME franchise for a reason.
 

grosbard

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Oct 27, 2017
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Generally speaking I try to wait until games are released before I have a solid negative opinion. The gaming world is so random that any studio at anytime could release a GOTY.
 

Kthulhu

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Oct 25, 2017
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Just please wait for reviews and don't pre-order. EA has not earned anyone's trust.
 

Interficium

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Oct 30, 2017
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Unenthusiastic ResetEra reaction?

#1 NPD listing incoming.

I call it the Wildlands Effect. Or maybe it should be updated to be called the God of War effect.
 

diablos991

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Oct 26, 2017
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Honestly. If they give me what Destiny never did then I don't care about the micro transactions. I'll dump hundreds for a deep AAA FPS rpg.
 

Conkerkid11

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Oct 25, 2017
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Modern EA isn't good. I have no faith in them or this game.

Only hope for a good AAA looter shooter is Ubisoft.
 

Phellps

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm looking forward to the way they're handling the story on this one, as this seems to be their main concern and the main reason they decided to call the project Dylan.
 

Lump

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One of Anthem's challenges is that one portion of its audience has certain expectations of what it means to be a great Bioware game, and another portion of its audience has certain expectations of what it means to be a great progressive multiplayer game that is similar to Destiny / Wildlands / Division.

Making a great game that fulfills only one of those expectations will be an accomplishment, but unless they fulfill both sets of expectations, there's going to be a cold reception by at least one of those two audiences.

I do not envy the task of making this game. If Bioware / EA can pull it off and make both audiences happy, that will restore a lot of faith in them.
 

Ondor

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Oct 25, 2017
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DA2 was rushed, ME3 was a hot mess, DA:I was uninspired, and Andromeda was bad. Bioware has lost my trust. EA never really had it. And the two of them are teaming up to bring me a game that Destiny promised and never delivered on.

I want to like Anthem. I really really do. I think the deck is stacked against them though which sucks because I firmly feel this is an all or nothing game.
 

Hooks

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Oct 27, 2017
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I really hope for biowares sake that it's good and successful, it would be a shame to see such a great dev shut down, even though some of their new titles have been hit and miss.
 

UCBooties

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Oct 26, 2017
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My feelings on Anthem can be summed up in three general points:

1. Anthem could very well be an excellent game but it is not a type of game that I am particularly interested in and does not appear to leverage the things which I have enjoyed most about Bioware games in the past, such as a party of well-written NPCs and an emphasis on choice in narrative. Such elements could be in the game but at the moment, based on the information available, it does not appear to be the kind of game that I would have wished for from this developer.

2. There is an opportunity for Anthem to provide a Destiny style experience to an audience which has become largely disillusioned with Destiny 2. If Anthem can avoid the launch pitfalls which snared both Destiny games and The Division, it could capture a great deal of crucial early support. It will need to have a well tuned reward structure, satisfying core gameplay, well-balanced PVP, and a well-designed end game with enough content to keep people playing. If it hits all, or even most, of those points, expect the game to be very well received.

3. I do not trust EA not to load Anthem down with onerous and damaging monetization schemes. While we do not know what form monetization for Anthem will take, Battlefront 2 has show that EA is willing to damage game balance and core design in order to drive after-sale transactions. I am highly skeptical that the core design of Anthem will not be compromised in some way to drive players towards additional expenditure. I expect whatever form the monetization takes to dominate a great deal of the conversation around the game's launch in enthusiast spaces, though it will remain to be seen if the implementation is severe enough to make the game unpalatable to a general audience.

TLDR: Anthem could be fantastic, but my own gaming priorities and a mistrust of its publisher prevent me from giving it the benefit of the doubt.

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I'm looking forward to the way they're handling the story on this one, as this seems to be their main concern and the main reason they decided to call the project Dylan.
I haven't seen enough concrete details on what they are doing with the story to believe it's anything more than marketing hype. They really need to knock that aspect out of the park. As it stands, calling the project "Dylan" and turning around to make a Destiny clone four years after the fact appears to be an almost comical level of hubris.
 

Amaterasu

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Oct 28, 2017
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I need to see more than (badly) scripted gameplay before I decide on how I feel about it at the moment, but it could have potential.

I don't trust EA at all though.
 

Minilla

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Oct 27, 2017
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Tokyo
I cant say Im hyped for this , but I do have some interest in the genre if it turns out to be good. I will give the beta a try (as long as a pre order is not required of course)