Anthem |OT| GaaS Effect

Which Javelin is your go to choice/main when playing Anthem?


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Oct 30, 2017
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Currently only level 12 and I am impressed with the people that have stuck with this game at higher levels given how poor the loot pool is in this game. Shit, just bring over and remodel some of the ME:A weapons and drop those into the loot pool. How could they think that 5 basic class of weapons (sniper, LMG, AR, SMG, and marksman) with little variation in terms of design or stats could be enough to sustain a GaaS? When a higher level LMG does literally 1 extra DPS than the one you already have equipped, something is wrong.

I am trying...trying to give this game every benefit of the doubt that I can but jfc did Bioware shoot themselves in the foot.
 

Zastava

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Currently only level 12 and I am impressed with the people that have stuck with this game at higher levels given how poor the loot pool is in this game. Shit, just bring over and remodel some of the ME:A weapons and drop those into the loot pool. How could they think that 5 basic class of weapons (sniper, LMG, AR, SMG, and marksman) with little variation in terms of design or stats could be enough to sustain a GaaS? When a higher level LMG does literally 1 extra DPS than the one you already have equipped, something is wrong.

I am trying...trying to give this game every benefit of the doubt that I can but jfc did Bioware shoot themselves in the foot.
It's not as bad as all that, though I agree it needs more variety. There's 9 weapon classes, each with 3 varieties with various range, damage, rate of fire, recoil, explosive rounds etc. It's likely you're comparing a lower level high damage LMG with a higher level low damage high rate of fire LMG. The classes are:

Assault Rifles
Autocannons (Colossus only)
Grenade Launchers (Colossus only)
Heavy Pistols
LMGs
Machine Pistols (presume this is what you meant by SMG)
Marksman Rifle
Shotguns
Sniper Rifle

The differences become more pronounced when you hit level 25 and start picking up masterwork/legendary weapons, each of which has a unique effect like reloading on melee, a lightning/fire/freeze/explosive proc, setting off combos, increased damage on dashing, increased weak-point damage while hovering etc. A few new weapons have been datamined too, possibly a beam weapon and some other kind of explosive thing? I forget the details.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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It's not as bad as all that, though I agree it needs more variety. There's 9 weapon classes, each with 3 varieties with various range, damage, rate of fire, recoil, explosive rounds etc. It's likely you're comparing a lower level high damage LMG with a higher level low damage high rate of fire LMG. The classes are:

Assault Rifles
Autocannons (Colossus only)
Grenade Launchers (Colossus only)
Heavy Pistols
LMGs
Machine Pistols (presume this is what you meant by SMG)
Marksman Rifle
Shotguns
Sniper Rifle

The differences become more pronounced when you hit level 25 and start picking up masterwork/legendary weapons, each of which has a unique effect like reloading on melee, a lightning/fire/freeze/explosive proc, setting off combos, increased damage on dashing, increased weak-point damage while hovering etc. A few new weapons have been datamined too, possibly a beam weapon and some other kind of explosive thing? I forget the details.
Thanks for the additional information! Gives me a better understanding of how Anthem intends to unfold as you level up.
 

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It's not total radio silence - a couple of the devs have mentioned on twitter that the team's main focus is on Cataclysms at the moment. It's just not nearly enough info. What's happening with the things pushed back from the April update? Guilds? The mastery system? Leaderboards?

I would hazard a guess they've decided Cataclysms are a bit of a make or break moment for them. If they can pull off something special then that would go a long way to showing the player base the game is worth sticking with while they fix it. If this is the case, I think it's pretty understandable, but they really need to talk about what's going on. I've said it before and I'll say it again, a TWAB for the game even if it's light on specifics would do a lot of good on the PR front.
But I thought they were pushing the Cataclysms to fix the loot?
 

Dunlop

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Oct 25, 2017
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Came to check in to see if there was any updates, the last post was a week ago... So I assume not?
 

Orb

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Oct 27, 2017
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Was thinking about picking this up on a lark since it's $20 at Target, but the lack of activity in this thread... yikes
 

Anton Sugar

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Honestly, this situation has been handled far worse than I ever really imagined. BW ended up painting themselves as blame-gamey chickenshits with no idea what they're doing.

And yeah, I can't recommend the game at any price point, simply because the future feels like a huge question mark, regardless of what their brass claims.
 

Dan Longman

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Yeah I didn't think they would handle this situation well, but their actions or lack of actions has even surprised me with how horrible it has been handled. It makes the Fallout 76 launch look good in comparison.
fwiw I think bethesda has gotten fo76 is a good place now, I don't see that happening with anthem. I picked up fo76 a few months ago and over 100 hours in it I have had a great time, they continue to add interesting content and I haven't really experienced any issues.
 

SimpleCRIPPLE

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I figured the launch would be bumpy and it would take a few patches to get to a good place, but never would I have imagined what this game would look like 3 months in.

My biggest disappointment this gen.
 

deadfolk

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I figured the launch would be bumpy and it would take a few patches to get to a good place, but never would I have imagined what this game would look like 3 months in.

My biggest disappointment this gen.
It's such a shame. Probably the biggest case of squandered potential I can think of. The core gameplay is amazing and unique. There's nothing like it.

And the rest...well...we all know about the rest.
 

Dunlop

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It's such a shame. Probably the biggest case of squandered potential I can think of. The core gameplay is amazing and unique. There's nothing like it.

And the rest...well...we all know about the rest.
Wish I saw it the same way.

That expose article showed that the game presented at e3 was vaporware, Anthem was pretty much fraud and it annoys me that they profited from it.

It's clear from the launch that this was the only outcome.
 

Arkaign

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Ha, I was walking past a Gamestop on my way back to my car after visiting Target, and a guy angrily stormed out, crumpled a game into bits, and heaved it into a bin. Curious, I looked in after he huffed away, and looked in to see Anthem. I wanted to rescue it, but the disc was literally in pieces. Figured I'd look for the OT to see what the deal is, but I wonder if Gamestop isn't accepting copies of it? Or if maybe this location had too many or something? It was pretty funny, but a little sad too.
 

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Patch notes for update out today:


Small update announcement too. No cataclysm date yet, but will show some tomorrow and do a test run on PC.


All from a thread in gaming, but it’s a cesspool of trolling and shitposting so thought I’d share here for the few here still playing the game some.
 
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jondgc

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Hey everyone - does anyone know a way to find corium in this current state of the game? Myself and two friends have been slowly working our way through the game, and we have reached the part where we need to craft the Dawn Shield to continue. Myself and one friend have all three corium needed, and were able to craft without issue. My other friend, who has played every mission with us, somehow did not acquire the third corium needed - so we have spent probably five or six hours playing freeplay trying to get a titan to spawn. However, all the guides reference the titan events from back in March, and it doesn't appear any of the spawn locations are accurate anymore.

So does anyone have any tips to get the one final piece needed for my friend?
 

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So at least the cataclysm is a new area with new stuff to do and new, more powerful loot. Well, more powerful anyway, suppose it could be more of the same with a higher power cap.

No release date yet.
 

Zastava

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Wait, Ben Irving really said that "Luck was misunderstood by the community" ?


If true, I never witnessed devs willing to put so blatantly blame on the players... Incredible.
This is being a bit unfair to Ben. I watched the stream and I understood that's not what he was saying.

His response in that thread:

Ben Irving said:
I really didn’t mean it that way. I meant that it was complicated, and we made it complicated. You all didn’t like it so we removed it.
So to be clear, luck was a bad idea, it was our bad idea so we removed it.
The AtG reddit continues to be a circle jerk of mindless negativity and nobody should ever read it. I had a look this morning for the first time in months to see how it was responding to the stream and it was as bad as ever, and a quick scan at the previous few pages from before the stream were the same.

As to Cataclysms, the great last hope, it looks... ok? It looks like it could be a fun mode with some replayable value with the point scoring. New unique loot and cosmetics is nice. Anyone being able to do it is also good since raids are traditionally only played by a very small % of a game's player base. It's also not exactly world shattering, and it's also clear that this thing they've been hyping up for years, first as shaper storms and now as cataclysms, was something that they had no idea what it actually was until recently.

What wasn't clear was the longevity. They said 2 weeks build up, 6 weeks of the Catatclysm itself and then...??? They made it sound like it would be going away after that, but then Jesse Anderson hinted on twitter that it wasn't going away but being transformed into something else, I don't know, it's vague as fuck.
 
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I missed that luck was being removed. That’s a good change as it will allow just focusing builds on utility rather than using shit with no useful perks for your build to up droprates.

Not sure how much more we’ll play as my buddy and I plan to play the Borderlands pre-sequel as we missed that and it’s free on PS+ next week. Assuming I can keep playing after surgery to repair a torn biceps tendon Friday anyway. That would eat up most of my coop gaming time until Borderlands 3.

I’m sure we’ll at least checkout the cataclysm.
 

Zastava

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I missed that luck was being removed. That’s a good change as it will allow just focusing builds on utility rather than using shit with no useful perks for your build to up droprates.

Not sure how much more we’ll play as my buddy and I plan to play the Borderlands pre-sequel as we missed that and it’s free on PS+ next week. Assuming I can keep playing after surgery to repair a torn biceps tendon Friday anyway. That would eat up most of my coop gaming time until Borderlands 3.

I’m sure we’ll at least checkout the cataclysm.
Yep luck being removed and max luck being the new baseline is a great change, it was annoying to have to use a suboptimal build just so you'd get better drops. It being replaced by armour on items that already have it is nice too, always a useful thing to have more of.
 

Smiley90

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Man, I wish we could get a refund for this game because the "continued free support and expansions is a major part of the purchasing price" lie peddled by bioware (and posters in this thread that discouraged any criticism of the game under the banner of "YOU'LL GET MORE CONTENT TOO!")... alas, here we are...
 

TheZynster

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This is being a bit unfair to Ben. I watched the stream and I understood that's not what he was saying.

His response in that thread:



The AtG reddit continues to be a circle jerk of mindless negativity and nobody should ever read it. I had a look this morning for the first time in months to see how it was responding to the stream and it was as bad as ever, and a quick scan at the previous few pages from before the stream were the same.

As to Cataclysms, the great last hope, it looks... ok? It looks like it could be a fun mode with some replayable value with the point scoring. New unique loot and cosmetics is nice. Anyone being able to do it is also good since raids are traditionally only played by a very small % of a game's player base. It's also not exactly world shattering, and it's also clear that this thing they've been hyping up for years, first as shaper storms and now as cataclysms, was something that they had no idea what it actually was until recently.

What wasn't clear was the longevity. They said 2 weeks build up, 6 weeks of the Catatclysm itself and then...??? They made it sound like it would be going away after that, but then Jesse Anderson hinted on twitter that it wasn't going away but being transformed into something else, I don't know, it's vague as fuck.

yes, i just got to that point in the stream and he didn't blame anyone. Just basically said it wasn't thought out well, the community didn't like it, and so we removed it.

I'm actually re-installing right now, despite lack of content Anthem gameplay wise is still the greatest in terms of all the looter shooters. I can't get enough blasting shit and flying around. Reading all the QoL updates should make this new play through more enjoyable.
 

Zastava

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Man, I wish we could get a refund for this game because the "continued free support and expansions is a major part of the purchasing price" lie peddled by bioware (and posters in this thread that discouraged any criticism of the game under the banner of "YOU'LL GET MORE CONTENT TOO!")... alas, here we are...
lol what are you talking about. Literally 90% of this thread is critical of the game after the first couple of days. And how is it a lie that expansions and support will be free? So far that's true. The game launched buggy as shit, half finished and light on content no doubt, but they've been releasing a bug fix or content patch every 2-3 weeks since launch and look like they're going to continue to do so. It's not nearly enough yet to make up for the shoddy state at launch and it won't be for a good while, but it's still happening.
 

TheMan

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I still check this thread periodically to see if I have missed any major announcements. I always come away disappointed. So much potential just shit away, goddamn. I guess they can still fix things but the playerbase...
 

Zastava

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The PTS is being opened on PC today if anyone wants to check out the work in progress cataclysm. Separate download though so I don't think I can be bothered.
 

Landford

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Thanks. Pretty bold move by EA the "ongoing GaaS" status. This'll most likely be the penultimate nail in its coffin.
The game is reaching a point where it cannot even function as intended due to the lack of players. There isnt anyone running GM3 anymore, for example. They will quietly let it die the same way Andromeda did.
 

Zastava

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I think it's a bit early to write cataclysms off considering it's a work in progress and far from complete, either graphically or mechanically. I haven't seen much in the way of reporting on the PTS. AtG reddit says it's a total failure and catastrophe, but they were always going to say that. Low sodium reddit says it's got some cool new areas, features, puzzles and enemies and after it's complete will be well worth playing, but they were always going to say that.

I'm just waiting on the Ryan Central video on whether to hope it'll be any good because he's like the only guy making Anthem content who is pretty objective.
 

CthulhuSars

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I think it's a bit early to write cataclysms off considering it's a work in progress and far from complete, either graphically or mechanically. I haven't seen much in the way of reporting on the PTS. AtG reddit says it's a total failure and catastrophe, but they were always going to say that. Low sodium reddit says it's got some cool new areas, features, puzzles and enemies and after it's complete will be well worth playing, but they were always going to say that.

I'm just waiting on the Ryan Central video on whether to hope it'll be any good because he's like the only guy making Anthem content who is pretty objective.
Player numbers are way way down though. How can the game function as intended if it is multiplayer at its base and there is no base.
 

Sanctuary

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I'm just waiting on the Ryan Central video on whether to hope it'll be any good because he's like the only guy making Anthem content who is pretty objective.
Haven't really been following the game much since the middle of April (mainly just seeing all of the bigger articles about it), but the state of the game a few weeks after launch seemed to get to even Ryan. He definitely wasn't gushing positively hard like some questionable channels, or blasting it into oblivion, but I'm not sure he's all that objective. I think if nothing else, he's the most balanced I've seen when it comes to trying to simply state facts, with what he likes, dislikes and hopes to see.
 

Zastava

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Haven't really been following the game much since the middle of April (mainly just seeing all of the bigger articles about it), but the state of the game a few weeks after launch seemed to get to even Ryan. He definitely wasn't gushing positively hard like some questionable channels, or blasting it into oblivion, but I'm not sure he's all that objective. I think if nothing else, he's the most balanced I've seen when it comes to trying to simply state facts, with what he likes, dislikes and hopes to see.
That's basically what I was getting at, though you're right that balanced is a better word choice to describe it.

You'd think a professional writer would have got it right the first time but no :p
Player numbers are way way down though. How can the game function as intended if it is multiplayer at its base and there is no base.
Yes, this is an issue but not insurmountable - if the actual cataclysm release gets some good press then a lot of players would be willing to give it a try at least.