Anti-Semitism pervades European life, says EU report

Kiekura · Dec 10, 2018

"The normalisation of antisemitism is also evidenced by the wide range of perpetrators, which spans the entire social and political spectrum. The most frequently mentioned categories of perpetrators of the most serious incident of antisemitic harassment experienced by respondents include someone they did not know (31 %); someone with an extremist Muslim view (30 %); someone with a left-wing political view (21 %); a colleague from work or school/college (16 %); an acquaintance or friend (15 %); and someone with a right-wing political view (13 %)."

"Among the other results, the survey found that nearly half (44%) of Jews in Germany and France have considered emigrating because they do not feel safe."

http://fra.europa.eu/en/publication...g--fvG9-gxXPIJEKT3tM3LMMegwICtsr0Y7Nv2UyBbhgw

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46439194

https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...record-for-antisemitism-in-europe-says-report

Sorry if there was thread or if this doesn't deserve it's own.

NSA · Dec 10, 2018

That is really sad.

Kyra · Dec 10, 2018

It's like humans hate eachother and that hate is the cause for most of the worlds problems.

Francesco · Dec 10, 2018

Before I came to the US I didn't think I knew any jewish people. I since found out only one old friend of mine is. I don't understand how there could be any hate towards them and their place in European culture today.

Doof · Dec 10, 2018

Francesco said:
Before I came to the US I didn't think I knew any jewish people. I since found out only one old friend of mine is. I don't understand how there could be any hate towards them and their place in European culture today.

A lot of hate isn't explicit. It hides just beneath the surface, and is really only noticeable by the people it's directed at.

NSA · Dec 10, 2018

I can "understand" (I guess) the reasoning for the hate towards Jewish people from the Right-wing and Extremist Muslim people, but what do Left-wing people hate Jews for? Is it all Israel-based?

Deleted member 8861 · Dec 10, 2018

I'm not surprised.

My old grade school teachers post shit like "The (Turkish) government is selling land and oil to The Jews!!!!/Israelis!!!!" and I've even heard my dad imply he thinks the "jews run the world" bullshit is true on some level.

I've seen it very rarely but it's there...

DJ_Lae · Dec 10, 2018

Of all the hate directed at groups of people / race, I've understood the reasoning behind the stuff aimed at Jewish people the least.

And I use 'understood' in a weird way. Say, the colour of skin. Sure, I understand that. It's really goddamn stupid, but I can see why someone might latch onto it.

Deleted member 48897 · Dec 10, 2018

Must be the result of the economic downturn caused by all those Israeli refugees coming into Eur...hahahaha no I can't even get that far with a straight face -- obviously it's a longstanding set of grievances based on nothing but the whole point of this level (and, to be precise, scale) of animus is that it's based on nothing.

Palette Swap · Dec 10, 2018

NSA said:
I can "understand" (I guess) the reasoning for the hate towards Jewish people from the Right-wing and Extremist Muslim people, but what do Left-wing people hate Jews for? Is it all Israel-based?

That and the bankers/lobby/globalist bullshit some crazies eat up.
Still, these figures surprise me in that I'd have expected much worse from the right than the left.

Jag · Dec 10, 2018

Francesco said:
Before I came to the US I didn't think I knew any jewish people. I since found out only one old friend of mine is. I don't understand how there could be any hate towards them and their place in European culture today.

That's a big reason. It's easy to "other" a people that you don't know. People just spread conspiracy shit and it takes a life of it's own. Israel doesn't help matters either. I don't think the alt-right gives a shit about Israel, but the extreme left and extremist Muslims fuel the hatred.

Nephtes · Dec 10, 2018

Disturbing to say the least.
Did Europe learn nothing post WWII?

Facism is rising in Europe once again and antisemitism too?

Never understood the hatred so many people seem to harbor for the Jewish people.
Why?

And why now?

I feel like maybe Schindler's List should be mandatory viewing in Europe right now...

NSA · Dec 10, 2018

Palette Swap said:
That and the bankers/lobby/globalist bullshit some crazies eat up.
Still, these figures surprise me in that I'd have expected much worse from the right than the left.

I suppose the "31%" of people "they don't know" could really skew the overall look if we knew more about them. Could be closet Right-wing people? The "16%" listed as a colleague from work or school.. that's weird, because they could also be right/left (or Extreme Muslim for that matter).. so it's weird to list it like that.

I guess the main thing it puts across is that people seem to dislike Jews universally, which is a really sad thing to be 'united' about.

Wag · Dec 10, 2018

It's easy to scapegoat those with such a small population. That's all it comes down to really.

Hollywood Duo · Dec 10, 2018

Not surprised based on reports of my Jewish friends who have traveled Europe.

Deleted member 48205 · Dec 10, 2018

I think ya'll should take a look at some of this stuff to get a little context:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_canard

And yes, this is terrible.

BigWinnie1 · Dec 10, 2018

I mean this is the reason why I support a two state solution not some kind of combined state. No one can be trusted with not fucking with jews but other jews.

I mean for fucks sake, They have been getting fucked for over 2000 years now can we just give them a fucking break?

It’s Time To Go · Dec 10, 2018

European anti semitism is old as the hills wayyyyy before the Nazis this isn't surprising.

Armaros · Dec 10, 2018

CormoranStrike said:
European anti semitism is old as the hills wayyyyy before the Nazis this isn't surprising.

Hating Jews and Hating the Romani is as European as anything, literaly back thousands of years.

Carolina Reaper · Dec 10, 2018

If you're vehemently against settlement expansions, are you labeled an anti-semite. In whatever study produced these numbers, I mean.

It’s Time To Go · Dec 10, 2018

Armaros said:
Hating Jews and Hating the Romani is as European as anything, literaly back thousands of years.

Yeah its super gross, just that there seems to be a perception among some people that it was confined to the Nazis from 1930s-45 and then went away or something.

foxuzamaki · Dec 10, 2018

Going through history it seems this always been a problem in Europe but like the U.S, people like to pretend they dont got these problems

Wag · Dec 10, 2018

BigWinnie1 said:
I mean this is the reason why I support a two state solution not some kind of combined state. No one can be trusted with not fucking with jews but other jews.

I mean for fucks sake, They have been getting fucked for over 2000 years now can we just give them a fucking break?

Much longer than that. The Romans weren't just throwing Christians to the lions...

Karasseram · Dec 10, 2018

Hating the other is as old as the human race.

If people want this issue to get better they better start being a lot less tolerant against the perpetrators of spreading these views.

9-Volt · Dec 10, 2018

Funyarinpa said:
I'm not surprised.

My old grade school teachers post shit like "The (Turkish) government is selling land and oil to The Jews!!!!/Israelis!!!!" and I've even heard my dad imply he thinks the "jews run the world" bullshit is true on some level.

I've seen it very rarely but it's there...

Whenever someone in Turkey talk shit about Jews, remind them about Mois Kohen. He was the guy who "wrote the book about Turkishness". And he was Ataturk's one of most trusted aides and his best friend. People need to realize Turkey owe to Jewish folk more than any country in the world.

Jag · Dec 10, 2018

Carolina Reaper said:
If you're vehemently against settlement expansions, are you labeled an anti-semite. In whatever study produced these numbers, I mean.

No, but if you protest Israel by harassing and threatening to kill "the Jews" you are. This is much more common than people realize.

For example:

The Labour row has had repercussions for Jewish students too, says the head of the Union of Jewish students, Hannah Rose.

"There have been two main effects," she told the BBC. "One is normalisation of anti-Semitic rhetoric on the left - and it's become less challenged when it does occur; secondly, non-Jewish students believe they know anti-Semitism more than Jews themselves.

"People don't want to seem to educate themselves on how you can criticise Israel without being anti-Semitic."

She left the Labour party in September.

Deleted member 8861 · Dec 10, 2018

9-Volt said:
Whenever someone in Turkey talk shit about Jews, remind them about Mois Kohen. He was the guy who "wrote the book about Turkishness". And he was Ataturk's one of most trusted aides and his best friend. People need to realize Turkey owe to Jewish folk more than any country in the world.

Thanks. I don't think I knew about that.

Dictator · Dec 10, 2018

Carolina Reaper said:
If you're vehemently against settlement expansions, are you labeled an anti-semite. In whatever study produced these numbers, I mean.

The study carries with it a lot of represetative subjective elements - i.e. what the respondents viewed as a percentages (this is asking self-identifying Jews about their experiences). It did not mention that specifically because it probably would not be considered anti-semitic by the study and because it was not one of the main categories the views of the subjects were really lumped into. One of the categories distilled out regarding remarks felt and heard by the respodents that they considered anti-semitic was: "Israelis behave like Nazis toward palestinians". This had a pretty high amount of respondents saying they heard this and I guess viewed it as anti-semitic.

Not sure if that some what answers your question.

mael · Dec 10, 2018

Worst part is if you have a problem with someone being blatantly antisemitic, you're told that they're only criticizing Israel so the cancer still festers.

Kirblar · Dec 10, 2018

This is completely unsurprising, especially given the issues with Corbyn/Labour that have kept coming up.

mael · Dec 10, 2018

Kirblar said:
This is completely unsurprising, especially given the issues with Corbyn/Labour that have kept coming up.

I mean I guess it could explain UK? But you can't really extrapolate from the situation in the UK for the rest of the EU.

julia crawford · Dec 10, 2018

Peeps should really go through the BBC article to get an accessible reading of the study.

Colonel Getafe · Dec 10, 2018

Racists are emboldened to go after Jews from both angles at the moment, it's disgraceful.

Corbyn in particular is a huge, huge problem. He's normalising antisemitism for a new generation.

Kirblar · Dec 10, 2018

mael said:
I mean I guess it could explain UK? But you can't really extrapolate from the situation in the UK for the rest of the EU.

Its not the only datapoint, but its the one easiest to follow because its in English.

soul · Dec 10, 2018

History doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes

julian · Dec 10, 2018

Carolina Reaper said:
If you're vehemently against settlement expansions, are you labeled an anti-semite. In whatever study produced these numbers, I mean.

Maybe you could read one of the articles posted in the OP and come to your own conclusion rather than make a drive-by post (intentionally or not) downplaying antisemitism.

Deleted member 2145 · Dec 10, 2018

Jag said:
No, but if you protest Israel by harassing and threatening to kill "the Jews" you are. This is much more common than people realize.

For example:

secondly, non-Jewish students believe they know anti-Semitism more than Jews themselves.

god this shit specifically needs to stop. seen it here numerous times. I wish people were more willing to accept ignorance and just listen when minority groups share their experiences.

Atomic Playboy · Dec 10, 2018

Jag said:
That's a big reason. It's easy to "other" a people that you don't know. People just spread conspiracy shit and it takes a life of it's own. Israel doesn't help matters either. I don't think the alt-right gives a shit about Israel, but the extreme left and extremist Muslims fuel the hatred.

It's easy to other people you do know too. I'm sort of Jewish, in the sense that I was adopted by a Jewish mother, but we were never really practicing Jews outside of Passover Seder and Hanukkah; I was never bar mitzvahed, and I don't look ethnically Jewish. But my wife is Jewish, and our daughter is Jewish. Anyway, I only mention that because we had a dinner at our house on the same night that a terrorist shot up the synagogue in Pittsburgh, and a good friend of mine, who I've known for over 25 years, decided that it was a good time to bring up the "fact" that there's a secret cabal of Jews who control the world. In his defense, he didn't even know this attack had occurred and he wasn't defending violence, but to even bring anti-Semitic rhetoric like that into the house of a Jewish family that you've known for a long time boggles the mind. People are always looking for a conspiracy because it offers a simple (but often more exciting) explanation for why things may not be perfect for them.

mael · Dec 10, 2018

Kirblar said:
Its not the only datapoint, but its the one easiest to follow because its in English.

I mean it's the easiest to follow from an english speaking PoV but take a country like France, it's probably one of the easiest to find examples literally EVERYWHERE from hate related crimes reported to mainstream people delving into dog whistles with passing Leftist's constant obessession with bankers.

Shodan14 · Dec 10, 2018

Here's a very recent poll:

Spirit of Jazz · Dec 10, 2018

mael said:
I mean it's the easiest to follow from an english speaking PoV but take a country like France, it's probably one of the easiest to find examples literally EVERYWHERE from hate related crimes reported to mainstream people delving into dog whistles with passing Leftist's constant obessession with bankers.

It's pretty clear the rise of the right is the reason for the increase in Jewish hate crimes across the whole of the West. Though obviously the UK currently has zero issues with a rising vocal far right movement and it's all due to one politician calling people who want a Israeli ethnostate Zionists at one point.

The reason the Corbyn quote frustrates me is because there are very blatant, very real issues with antisemitism in the Labour party. From them launching an investigation into it and refusing to meet all the guidelines that can from it to Corbyn defending the utterly antisemitic Peter Willsman. However, weirdly enough the neo-liberal press continually bring up the Zionist quote.

At the same time I've seen little evidence Labour's issues have led to an increase in hate crime here, where as Brexit and the rise of the right (including great replacement bullshit) very clearly has. I'd love to see some stats that prove me wrong.

mael · Dec 10, 2018

Spirit of Jazz said:
It's pretty clear the rise of the right is the reason for the increase in Jewish hate crimes across the whole of the West.

Far right, putting that on the shoulder of the more mainstream center right is kinda like calling anything left of center communists.

Spirit of Jazz said:
Though obviously the UK currently has zero issues with a rising vocal far right movement and it's all due to one politician calling people who want a Israeli ethnostate Zionists at one point.

The reason the Corbyn quote frustrates me is because there are very blatant, very real issues with antisemitism in the Labour party. From them launching an investigation into it and refusing to meet all the guidelines that can from it to Corbyn defending the utterly antisemitic Peter Willsman. However, weirdly enough the neo-liberal press continually bring up the Zionist quote.

At the same time I've seen little evidence Labour's issues have led to an increase in hate crime here, where as Brexit and the rise of the right (including great replacement bullshit) very clearly has. I'd love to see some stats that prove me wrong.

Maybe you don't see a correlation between antisemitism and Labour's issues because it's kinda overshadowed by the elephant that is Brexit.
Again great replacement BS is something the world owe French antisemitic assholes.
Pure opportunism made that BS stick while others like outright negationism is far less popular.

Apathy · Dec 10, 2018

Humanity as a whole easily forgets what hate has caused

Francesco · Dec 10, 2018

Doof said:
A lot of hate isn't explicit. It hides just beneath the surface, and is really only noticeable by the people it's directed at.

I'm not saying it's not there, I'm saying there's zero reasons for it to be there in the first place.

Jag said:
That's a big reason. It's easy to "other" a people that you don't know. People just spread conspiracy shit and it takes a life of it's own. Israel doesn't help matters either. I don't think the alt-right gives a shit about Israel, but the extreme left and extremist Muslims fuel the hatred.

In my case, my friend was "too integrated" for me to even notice their jewish origin. And that was back in italy.
That's why it's so hard for me to understand people's hatred.

In NY, next to my place, anti-semitic graffiti started popping up.
My so (jewish) was screamed at by some asshole on the subway saying "Hitler was right".
How are Jewish people seen as "others" when they are so integrated? They've never been a political talking point since the nazis, and NOW people are mad at them again for some reason?

Doof · Dec 10, 2018

Francesco said:
I'm not saying it's not there, I'm saying there's zero reasons for it to be there in the first place.

In my case, my friend was "too integrated" for me to even notice their jewish origin. And that was back in italy.
That's why it's so hard for me to understand people's hatred.

In NY, next to my place, anti-semitic graffiti started popping up.
My so (jewish) was screamed at by some asshole on the subway saying "Hitler was right".
How are Jewish people seen as "others" when they are so integrated? They've never been a political talking point since the nazis, and NOW people are mad at them again for some reason?

Hate isn't rational. It reflects well on you that you can't understand it.

Jag · Dec 10, 2018

Francesco said:
I'm not saying it's not there, I'm saying there's zero reasons for it to be there in the first place.

In my case, my friend was "too integrated" for me to even notice their jewish origin. And that was back in italy.
That's why it's so hard for me to understand people's hatred.

In NY, next to my place, anti-semitic graffiti started popping up.
My so (jewish) was screamed at by some asshole on the subway saying "Hitler was right".
How are Jewish people seen as "others" when they are so integrated? They've never been a political talking point since the nazis, and NOW people are mad at them again for some reason?

I lived in NYC for most of the 90s and never saw any anti-semitic stuff. It definitely has changed.

Reverse Giraffe · Dec 10, 2018

Carolina Reaper said:
If you're vehemently against settlement expansions, are you labeled an anti-semite. In whatever study produced these numbers, I mean.

No. The settlements would be wrong regardless of whose doing it. Not all Jewish people support the settlements or Israel at all.

Empress of ice cream · Dec 11, 2018

That antisemitism from left people is so high up there does not surprise me. I still consider myself left and I am still politically active but I've disengaged with people I used to work with because of their thin-veiled antisemitism. It usually goes hand in hand with "but Israel!" when I have nothing to do with Israel and people know my opinion on it.

Dingens · Dec 11, 2018

Kiekura said:
[...] serious incident of antisemitic harassment [...] someone with a left-wing political view (21 %) [...]

Please don't tell me that being critical of Israels bullshit is antisemitic now.

Zvonimir Boban · Dec 11, 2018

Dingens said:
Please don't tell me that being critical of Israels bullshit is antisemitic now.

Even though the Israeli government and its supporters paint any and all sympathy for Palestinians as anti-Semitism that doesn't mean that there aren't people on the left that go too far.

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