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Antisemite Mel Gibson joins "Rothchild" - A film about the New York super rich

Sugaree

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Member
Mar 25, 2019
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#51
Mel isn’t a holocaust denier lol
He’s on the cusp...


People call Gibson a Holocaust denier for ridiculing the number of Jews who were killed by Hitler in the genocide. In a 2006 interview with Reader’s Digest, he said. “I mean when the war was over they said it was 12 million. Then it was six. Now it’s four. I mean it’s that kind of numbers game. …”
 
Feb 4, 2019
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#52
He was pretty great in Dragged Across Concrete. Besides Gibson I don’t get why this movie is problematic
He was fantastic. Everybody was great. I had set a low bar when I heard it was a mess, but it was the exact opposite.
 
#53
Yes, among many other jewish satire. I'm just wondering if this will have any darker intent with regards to a jewish conspiratorial bent, depending on who's backing it. I'm typically not that guy, but in these days of fake news and libertarian billionaires with neo con bent, anything is possible.
Well, seeing as this is being produced by HanWay Films, who largely stick to small prestige films with the occasional genre offering, I think your fears are largely unfounded. The casting is tone-deaf for sure, but sometimes, one bad thing is just one bad thing.
 
Oct 27, 2017
4,210
#64
Ohhh FernandoRocker, I know you. Not surprised at this take. Yes, lets support a movie that is named after a family that is at the of antisemitic conspiracy theories. Par for the course.
So making any movie about them is verboten? I don't quite understand this take.
Not liking Mel Gibson, I totally get. But this seems like an odd argument, unless there is specifically something anti-semitic about the portrayal or the implications of the story. But we literally have no idea.
 
Mar 14, 2019
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#66
Man, Mel Gibson always gives me weird feelings. For everything he's said and done about multiple minority groups, I loathe him. But, what he did for Robert Downey Jr., certainly saved his career and probably saved his life.

I still loathe him, but now I also feel guilty for loathing him. It's the same feeling I get when Robert Downey Jr. says he'd work with him. I feel anger and guilt. It's just the absolute worst type of feeling.
 
Nov 7, 2017
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#67
Meh. Gibson is a good actor and specially a good director. I'm pretty sure it will be a good movie.

You guys really can't learn forgiveness. The guy paid his dues a long time ago.
What has Gibson done to show that he's bettered himself and is truly sorry? He directed some good movies?
 

Trodimus

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Apr 3, 2019
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#70
User Banned (permanent): Bad faith posting, consistent history of trolling across a variety of topics; account still in junior phase
This is gross. With projects like these combined with Ilhan Omar and Rashida Talib's recent terrifying comments its clear antisemitism is on the rise. We all need to speak out on this.
 
Oct 28, 2017
1,332
#71
Has Mel Gibson paid his due tho? Or did he pull a marky mark walberg and just forgave himself so he can sleep at night? Becuase fuck Mark Walberg and fuck Gibson.
 
Oct 28, 2017
1,332
#72
Man, Mel Gibson always gives me weird feelings. For everything he's said and done about multiple minority groups, I loathe him. But, what he did for Robert Downey Jr., certainly saved his career and probably saved his life.

I still loathe him, but now I also feel guilty for loathing him. It's the same feeling I get when Robert Downey Jr. says he'd work with him. I feel anger and guilt. It's just the absolute worst type of feeling.
Bad people can do good things. No need to feel guilt for loathing a piece of shit
 
Oct 26, 2017
261
#75
Mel is a asshole, he has done some horrible things over the years.Hopefully he has changed his ways and paid for it dearly.

I think we dont know enough to freak out about the story line just yet.
But about the Rothchilds being shady motherfuckers that abused people and war to get rich, filthy rich at that, that shit is spot on. The Rothchilds get no sympathy from me.
 
Oct 27, 2017
605
#82
This isnt how you do a satire or a Roman a clef. They're about to get sued into oblivion especially with how obvious the name is. They literally just removed one letter.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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#83
Mel Gibson is an abuser and a racist. Thgs enough for me. Will continue to not see anything he is involved in.
That is fine no objection on that. I am speaking to the notion that the movie is going to be nothing but anti-Semitic attacks on the family.
 
Oct 27, 2017
338
#84
Those of you who say that Rotschilds should not get our sympathy are missing the point. It is not about one family being targeted by antisemites. It is about the family being turned into a symbol which contributed to millions of innocent people being killed. The name "Rotschild" functions more like a label for a "rich Jew" than a reference to a real family. This makes the project problematic as it fuels into the antisemitic narrative according to which all Jews are dangerous because they are rich, powerful and well-connected.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Finland
#88
I'm definitely not ready to condemn the film itself, but casting Gibson specifically is a dumbass move considering the subject the matter.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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#95
I'm an agnostic raised as a catholic, but I still don't get the conncetion behind anti-semitism and "jews killing Jesus".
1. it was the Romans who did the dirty work
2. Jesus was a jew and the Romans made that very clear with the INRI sign
3. without Jesus being crucified the whole message of the new testament would fall apart, because no martyrium, no sacrifice.
4. the bible without the new testament is basically Judaism
5. Jesus came back from the dead, so he wasn't even killed

Or did I miss something?
 
Oct 31, 2017
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#97
Every time I see Gibson in a movie, I'm put off by the movie. Fuck this guy.

Hollywood really is so much bullshit to keep people like this around.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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#98
What exactly do holocaust deniers even believe happened, if not the holocaust?

They're conspiracy theorists, right? Like a prejudiced version of moon landing deniers, 9/11 truthers, and flat earthers?
Holocaust deniers generally fall into two categories:
  • Those who straight up deny the Holocaust happened, they argue that there weren't that many Jews in Europe to begin with before WWII, that at most ~250,000 Jews died as civilian casualties in World War II, and that there was no effort by the Nazis to do anything to Jews in particular.
  • Those who recognize that the Holocaust happened but generally try to downplay its severity at every turn... E.g., it wasn't 6million Jews, it was 2million Jews; The Nazis weren't targeting Jews for being Jewish, they were targeting all non-Germans in Germany/Austria/Europe; "The Holocaust may be bad, but the result of the Holocaust [what they see as the State of Israel] is worse!"
What's truly bizarre is the fairly common breed of neonazi who idolize Nazis for targeting Jews, yet deny that the Holocaust happened. It's... this bizarre contradiction. Like, they're wearing swastika armbands because the Nazis stood up for the Aryan race, but they don't recognize what the Nazis did for standing up for the Aryan race... Like... what?

And yeah, holocaust deniers are conspiracy theorists. Holocaust denial is one of the top conspiracy theories since World War II, and probably the most common/pervasive. Aside from other insidious conspiracies about Jews (e.g., Jews control the media, Jews control the press, Jews control the banks, Israel only exists because of Jewish money, etc), denying the holocaust is the most common conspiracy theory in the world.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Providence / Boston
#99
Meh. Gibson is a good actor and specially a good director. I'm pretty sure it will be a good movie.

You guys really can't learn forgiveness. The guy paid his dues a long time ago.
I find it interesting that you've been on Era multiple times since making this post but are now purposefully avoiding the thread so that you don't have to answer, "How did he pay his dues?"