Persona 5 was in development for a lot longer than three years lol. It got delayed for three years if I remember correctly
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Anyone else worried about SMT V and the future of mainline SMT/Atlus games in general?
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Both SMTIV and IVA took 3-3.5 years to develop. So I mean it's not that surprising we haven't seen much or gotten an update in a while. Development started in early 2017 and they entered full production in Feb 2018, so it's been a year since then and it will probably be another year plus till it's released. This is a big step for the SMT team, it's their first time using Unreal, it's their first HD title and it's their return to consoles in quite some time. I'm fine with no real info and with them taking their time on the game. If they do things right this could be a major leap forward for the SMT franchise, much like P5 was a big leap forward for the Persona series.
apocalypse is subversive punk is such a dumb take lol
rebel against the oppressiveness of smt to become like everything else out there!!
rebel against the oppressiveness of smt to become like everything else out there!!
I didn't know about some of those details. In that case it probably will be released in the west in 2021 or something like that.
Rebel against the stifling LNC cycle that has been done well approximately three times in the nigh-30 year history of the franchise to the point of explicitly defining it as a tool of the main villain to keep the world in lockstep for all eternity.
But no, there's a childhood friendgirl (like the one in SMTI, Devil Survivor, Soul Hackers) so any merit the game has as a polemic against the franchise's own tired storytelling methods is dust in the wind.
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So far that has been bad news for Atlus. DS/3DS were the only chances to see these games coming back cause HD development has been only for Persona and its spin-offs which like i said previously, i find them a bit subpar (it's more milking on mainline games, while SMT spin-offs had different stories and characters).
We'll see after SMTV, we may see some new SMT spin-off reusing the assets but i'm not really sure what to expect.
So true.
EO is already confirmed for post 3ds consoles iirc, but they obviously need time to work out how to get the series going on a single screen without a touch screen always accessible without making a serious compromise with the series core values (the map drawing is kinda important).
Yeah but it has friends, FRIENDS!
Everyone knows you cant be cool unless your cast is full of nothing but assholes who inevitably try to kill each other./s
While I doubt we'll see a return to the PS2 days with spin-offs as great or large as DDS1/2 and Raidou1/2 I think we'll still get some stuff. Creating hundreds of HD models for demons is a big investment and with that out of the way they'll have a fairly massive set of assets to exploit for other games. So it would be surprising if they go through all that work only to them use them in just the two main titles.
But we could easily get another game in the same vein as SJ or DS. I mean they're making a new EO engine for the Switch, why not leverage that work to make another SMT dungeon crawler and utilize all those demon models they made for P5, SMTV and SMT Mobile.
and one of the endings of apocalypse has you becoming an asshole that kills everyone
SMTIV was awesome. I liked it much more than P5. I didn't play Apocalypse though.
Anyway I'm looking forward to V. It's cool that it will be on Switch, maybe it can appeal to more home console players.
Anyway I'm looking forward to V. It's cool that it will be on Switch, maybe it can appeal to more home console players.
I dont see a reason to be worried, they are pushing out content as good as ever and we have no reason to worry about SMT V
To be serious for a second I find accusing the Persona spin-offs to be taking away from the old spin-offs to be odd when the majority of them are developed by other teams and companies.
If people actually played Apocalypse they'd know that Gaston and Toki are two of the best Law and Chaos heroes in the series.
Certainly a league above Walter and Jonathan, anyway.
I generally liked Walter, particularly considering things like his reaction to if you agree with Infernal Tokyo Akira's perspective at one point (wherein which Walter admits that he doesn't agree, but still respects your viewpoint nonetheless), but Jonathan was lame as hell. Jonathan even had the more boring branch split halfway through the game. Gaston grew on me, and Toki was great.
it's true, the smt games we get every 5-10 years have left me feeling very stifled and seeking out new experiences like love triangles with 14 year olds who call you master, peeping tom scenes with your female party members, buddhas acting like fourth-rate mobster underlings, and steven standing out of his wheelchair to show how much of a badass he is.
The problem with Walter and Jonathan is that the game builds them up as reasonable people with differing viewpoints destined to drive them apart, most apparent in the high point of the game with the alternate universes, and then the endgame happens and they go fucking bonkers and immediately become violent extremists.
Seriously I want an entire game based on Infernal Tokyo. It's like SMT Devilman.
I advise that people go play the mobile game, Dx2. Its free-to-play, has fusion mechanics, press turn battle mechanics and everything SMT normally does. There's obvious stamina limitations, as per every mobile gacha game, but you can at least get through the story without having to worry too much about that.
You'll see what kind of direction SMT is in with that.
There's shitloads of demons, fully rendered in 3D, so I can easily imagine they'll be used in SMT5.
You'll see what kind of direction SMT is in with that.
There's shitloads of demons, fully rendered in 3D, so I can easily imagine they'll be used in SMT5.
I ain't saying Apocalypse didn't have its faults, Toki's handling being one of them, I'm saying it's being shortchanged because it looks a little too anime and people like you are ignoring the actual smart things it has to say about how repetitive and beholden to its own tropes the franchise has become.
And the fight against Steven in the Diamond Realm where you team up with all the past protagonists was fucking awesome, I don't care what anyone says.
I actually remember reading that apparently the Japanese audience was initially negative toward Nocturne because it was so different from I, II, and if... They came around on it eventually, so much that Nocturne's battle theme actually got #1 in a poll about favorite music from the series.
I used to have the "sky is falling" mentality about SMT, and still do have some reservations about it, but I don't think it is all doom and gloom. IV and IV:A had the best soundtracks in the whole series, full stop. IV had the bad guest demon designs, but some of them were winners (Minotaur's was excellent). Doi brought back a lot of the guest demons for Apocalypse and fixed them to varying degrees. IV had a lot of demons simply just being too busy, such as Medusa looking like something a Slipknot fan in high school would have drawn. They fixed it in Apocalypse.
SJ Redux had the problematic art for sure, which was a straight downgrade. Tokyo Mirage Sessions was actually a good game, despite it not being the initially teased Marth x Demi-Fiend.
I am optimistic about SMTV though, based on the trailer we got, it looks quite good. I just want to see more of it... Any day now Atlus.
Also I would buy and play the hell of the inevitable Nocturne remake, even if they downgrade the art. Honestly in Apocalypse, Demi-Fiend looked fine.
Yeah it's an issue. If this is needed to make the series appealing then I'm seriously questioning what kind of folks are appealed with teenagers wearing swimsuits, and why do we need them?
SMT doesn't have to be this way, and it doesn't even need to. The core of SMT is to offer something that understands the current landscape and try to avoid pitfalls. These kinds of bottom of the barrel anime swivel is just conformity. I hold SMT at a higher standard than just being different or keeping in line with the LNC.
Also Stephen not actually being disabled is some of the most offensive things I've seen in video games. Fuck that
SMT doesn't have to be this way, and it doesn't even need to. The core of SMT is to offer something that understands the current landscape and try to avoid pitfalls. These kinds of bottom of the barrel anime swivel is just conformity. I hold SMT at a higher standard than just being different or keeping in line with the LNC.
Also Stephen not actually being disabled is some of the most offensive things I've seen in video games. Fuck that
They do both ultimately have that same problem typically associated with the alignment representative characters in mainline SMT, yeah.
I, too, would love a whole game based on Infernal Tokyo. Pretty much the most fascinating part of the game outside of the regular Tokyo (the tone, scenario, and even the map theme had serious '90s anime vibes for me).
SMT is super funny, it's super campy and still what happens in Nocturne is not utterly unique in the series. Nocturne by itself is good because it managed to offer a compelling experience that managed to offer new perspectives, but it isn't forsaking its legacy at all, nor does it try to pander.
Sex is a big element of SMT and I've never been against., There's a lot of sexy designs, a lot of sensuality in how they're portrayed. But the shit we're seeing right now is just FBI honey pot, a far cry from what Kaneko designs (just compare it with Lilith as an example).
The point that's being made is that 4A is more punk and subversive, you're just listing things you didn't like about it in an attempt to discredit that view.
4A is a game that uses the traditions of its own series as the stand in for "the system". Unlike a game like Persona 5 which talks big but ultimately does absolutely nothing to actually commit to its themes of rebellion, 4A follows through on both a thematic and mechanical level.
It would be easy for the game to have played it safe and just said that it's about challenging arbitrary systems, but it went one step further and actively broke the series' own arbitrary systems. If you want to actually take the game seriously and give it credit, you could even argue that the tonal change is itself an act of rebellion. 4A is an SMT game that isn't following the set tone of SMT games. It's lighthearted, it's fun, and it's both of those things without actually sacrificing the narrative elements that make SMT what they are. It is different of course, and it is absolutely understandable why so many dislike it, but it's still by far the game that does the most to follow through on the idea of challenging authority which, whilst divine in the narrative itself, extends in this case to the abstract concept of expectations for what an SMT game can even be.
I don't want to try and make you feel like you shouldn't dislike the game, because your complaints are completely legitimate, but it really feels like you're trying to knock back praise for it without really having any counterpoints for the specifics being praised, purely because you don't like seeing something you dislike be praised.
if you like schlock that's totally fine, i like schlock in other contexts too, you don't have to come up with disingenuous arguments about how apocalypse is super smart actually!! i gave those examples off the top of my head because the whole game is like that, just at a fundamental basic level the writing quality is low, everything is executed flatly and without finesse. isn't it weird how there are so many choices in this game that don't matter at all? isn't it stupid how the game takes the monotheism vs polytheism subtext and just renders it literally? these writers aren't trying to challenge the conventions of smt they're just making a game for japanese teens who buy games today, and throwing in sops to older series fans that completely whoosh on the point (the diamond realm dungeon was so terrible!). there's nothing subversive about making your game adolescent, it's just making your game adolescent.
Despite multiple posts and explanations, I cant tell what the op is trying to say except "it looks anime now".
Buddy, just because I have a different opinion to you doesn't mean I'm being disingenuous, and I'm not exactly sure what worth there is in any of this if you're just going to accuse people who don't share your views on a game as lying about theirs.
You're doing that thing where you ignore the whole point of a post and just rattle off a bunch of things you vaguely dislike again.
Al yall need to read/watch his interviews, especially those with Okada and Tadashi. They were crafting WORLDS sometimes years out from a finished product launched. Worlds defined by words like "cataclysm" "punk" and "rebirth", steeped in the best of sci-fi, fantasy, and myth.
Until these are understood, The Demon Painter and the caesura between IV and IV A's ethstetics wont be understood, nor The Atlus Crazy.
SMTV is vaporware.
I'm an anime fan and loved stuff like TMS, that has great gameplay and a fun feel, but even I can't say I'm happy anymore to what's happening to Atlus. Variety is disappearing from the company, I wouldn't mind if they had stuff for their other fans, but they don't anymore. They are becoming The Persona Company -- that's the only thing they focus and talk about, besides the other Hashino stuff.
I hate the usual "anime = bad" stuff here in this site, but anyone who played SMT IV Apocalypse can say how awful the Persona influence is in it. Toki is the worst character in the whole series and is treated in a bizarre and terrible way.
I'm an anime fan and loved stuff like TMS, that has great gameplay and a fun feel, but even I can't say I'm happy anymore to what's happening to Atlus. Variety is disappearing from the company, I wouldn't mind if they had stuff for their other fans, but they don't anymore. They are becoming The Persona Company -- that's the only thing they focus and talk about, besides the other Hashino stuff.
...Okay?
None of that explains why Kaneko can only draw two-three human faces max.
I'm surprised this meme hasn't been posted yet:
While I do have faith in SMT V (personally I can't wait. I'm pumped to finally getting a new mainline SMT game again), I definitely don't like the new art direction of making everything look a bit cuter. The Strange Journey port for 3DS changing the art, making the female characters blush and shit was one hell of a weird decision, to put it friendly...
While I do have faith in SMT V (personally I can't wait. I'm pumped to finally getting a new mainline SMT game again), I definitely don't like the new art direction of making everything look a bit cuter. The Strange Journey port for 3DS changing the art, making the female characters blush and shit was one hell of a weird decision, to put it friendly...
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This meme is extremely accurateI'm surprised this meme hasn't been posted yet:
While I do have faith in SMT V (personally I can't wait. I'm pumped to finally getting a new mainline SMT game again), I definitely don't like the new art direction of making everything look a bit cuter. The Strange Journey port for 3DS changing the art, making the female characters blush and shit was one hell of a weird decision, to put it friendly...
I honestly think people just paint him as a god designer because it appeals to this forum's sensibilities. He's good because he has a nice and unique art, but the same face is there and Doi is a really good artist too that gets hate for not being Kaneko.
These comments about TMS don't make much sense when it's a new sub-franchise. Megaten subfranchises all have different styles. TMS itself has great gameplay too.I'm surprised this meme hasn't been posted yet:
While I do have faith in SMT V (personally I can't wait. I'm pumped to finally getting a new mainline SMT game again), I definitely don't like the new art direction of making everything look a bit cuter. The Strange Journey port for 3DS changing the art, making the female characters blush and shit was one hell of a weird decision, to put it friendly...
The problem is the mainline series getting these elements that shouldn't be there and how the company only makes Persona, Persona, Persona, Persona, Persona non-stop while letting their other series rot.
toi8 is a great illustratorTMS also has fantastic art and character designs.
Yes, way better than Soejima's bland style. It's the best "Persona" game since 2 in all aspects. And by far.TMS also has fantastic art and character designs.
Shame Atlus is never porting it because gotta milk Persona instead.
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Yeah, i get opinions are opinions, but "Soejima has bland art" is a horrible take as far as I'm concerned.
toi8 is a good artist too though.
toi8 is a good artist too though.
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I don't like his faces. They feel bland. Also, his necks make everyone look like giraffes.
