Yeah, we're growing those numbers. But we need a good bit more or a progressive nom for president before the corporatists will relinquish their stranglehold.
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AOC: "The Democratic Party is not a left party. The Democratic Party is a center, or a center-conservative party"
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You can be tired of it all you want, but that doesn't change the game. Only winning and changing the rules can do that.
There's a significant amount of CPC members who are hardly real progressives. It's why it's so hard to whip the caucus on anything.
Huh? It's not a question of not wanting healthcare at all, but wanting to keep your private healthcare instead of taking the government option.
And the current state of healthcare is not due to the Democrats. So the "whole world laughs at US healthcare" is not a thing that makes AOC correct in this instance.
The poll before it was removed, for those of you just joining us.
So the poll was removed for no reason at all then the OP was banned for a week for posting a screenshot of the poll results before it was removed for no reason at all?
I mean on economic issues yes.
Again to all you "Dems aren't left compared to the world" types if you ignore the social aspect of the policy sure.
But we don't. So the Dems are in fact left. 20 years ago post Regan they were definitely center though.
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What's wrong with the democrats being a center party? I'm asking for people who disagree with AOC.
I know liberal-leaning people are constantly talking about how progressive policies arent good electoral politics at all levels, so why are there so many people upset with the framing of being a center party?
I mean, if you think that the best path forward is inching to the left to avoid a stark Regress to the right, and are willing to compromise on...well basically everything...on its face that would make you effectively centered.
I mean it's great if ideologically you believe in the right to an abortion, but if you're willing to put that on the table to negotiate literally anything else, then why pretend you are to the left of center?
in reality, the Dems are center and by some approximations center right simply because they are willing to leave ideals on the table for the sake functioning" society. The only reason why you would have a problem with that framing is if you somehow felt ashamed of it. Why be ashamed of being pragmatic?
I know liberal-leaning people are constantly talking about how progressive policies arent good electoral politics at all levels, so why are there so many people upset with the framing of being a center party?
I mean, if you think that the best path forward is inching to the left to avoid a stark Regress to the right, and are willing to compromise on...well basically everything...on its face that would make you effectively centered.
I mean it's great if ideologically you believe in the right to an abortion, but if you're willing to put that on the table to negotiate literally anything else, then why pretend you are to the left of center?
in reality, the Dems are center and by some approximations center right simply because they are willing to leave ideals on the table for the sake functioning" society. The only reason why you would have a problem with that framing is if you somehow felt ashamed of it. Why be ashamed of being pragmatic?
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