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Apex Legends developers spark outrage after calling gamers “dicks”, “ass-hats”and “freeloaders”
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Calm down
I literally say 4 times in the rest of the post you have quoted from me that it's never ok to harass or abuse anyone for any reason, but you're so driven to remove all nuance from the situation that you've painted me as legitimising abuse
If I have done that, report the post where I have done it and watch me get banned
Your reply encapsulates everything that is wrong with discourse on the forum. Never once have I said "But, the abuse sucks but it's justified because"" I have said they're two issues and both are worth discussing on there own terms
The abuse is always wrong, never justifiable, and abhorrent
That does't erase the fact that the MXT model is also exploitative and shitty
It doesn't excuse the abuse, which is never justifiable, but it doesn't erase legitimate concerns either
You want to erase legitimate concerns because a few people were assholes, which (for the 8th time) is never acceptable
Now, take a deep breath and try to explain why predatory MXTs are no longer an issue because some developers were attacked by assholes (which, again, is never acceptable behaviour)
Try and do so without misrepresenting me this time
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Amazing. The Ultimate Cardinal Sin.
Take a big step back, kids.
No matter how vitriolic or unpleasant treatment gets thrown devs way this is not a gamergate situation where people are en mass harassing and attacking devs for their gender, race, or something else equally unjustifiable.
This starts from a morally justified place lashing out against the abusive and exploitative microtransaction business practices that's infested too many games with its unethical practices already.
The only ones who can crack down on the developers and publishers that need it is the government because the whole 'vote with your wallet' schtick doesn't work when the market actively rewards unethical practices.
Meh, in context none of these are outrageous. Obviously a community leader for a company shouldn't use the phrase asshat or dicks in a message board, but it's not really remarkable. People who play games and go to gaming communities want to connect with the developers in a human way, cut through the bull shit and actually discuss the game with real humans who work on the game, but... real humans say things in human ways... and if someone is being a dick, a real human might call them a dick.
If anybody is "outraged" by a community leader saying dick, asshat, or freeloader in the context of those posts... you need to recalibrate your outrage meter.
If anybody is "outraged" by a community leader saying dick, asshat, or freeloader in the context of those posts... you need to recalibrate your outrage meter.
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My question is, did they get personal?
That's the problem with F2P games and gamers, the entitlement complex. When someone's head gets a little big, dont' they need to be knocked down a peg?
Kind of makes me want to reDL Apex but I am not a Battle Royale fan.
Of course not. The comments in the OP are 100% completely impersonal. They're the definition of impersonal.
But this current era of finding things to get outraged about and then making a big show of your personal outrage with ridiculous comments like "YOUVE GONE AND DONE IT YOU COMMITTED THE ULTIMATE CARDINAL SIN," because someone described someone else in the 3rd person as "a dick" or said that "they love freeloaders(!!)" is. ... just .. quintessentially the modern internet zeitgeist of trying to get attention for expressing how upset you are about something otherwise completely unimportant.
we don't have to because if you know it doesn't apply to you you're probably smart enough to chill
Moral grandstanding isn't exactly a new "current era" thing, social media just makes it a lot easier for more people.
Only read the first few comments but the devs, whilst not necessarily using the best wording, hit the nail on the head. Plus it's nit as though the monetised items are P2W so the vitriol is ill aimed.
I'm a fan of this fight back against the loud angry minority to be honest. The people who bundle on to every controversy need to realise that in most cases they are doing really fucked up things to people who don't deserve it.
Oh, the irony.
If only the OP shared the same understanding that the devs weren't delivering that verbal smack down to all gamers.
i don't get the freeloader "criticism." it's not a criticism at all. in f2p games there are whales, people who spend a little bit here and there, and then there are freeloaders. freeloaders are usually the largest group of players. that's generally how such a model works.
that also ties into the idea that cosmetic-only transactions have to be expensive, because how else are they getting money? people buy the battlepass once and that will fund your future battlepasses forever since the battlepass gives back the apex coins it cost to buy. $18 a skin is on par with fortnite. now personally i think the quality of the skins are not worth it but my gameplay experience is unchanged if i choose not to purchase any skins.
that also ties into the idea that cosmetic-only transactions have to be expensive, because how else are they getting money? people buy the battlepass once and that will fund your future battlepasses forever since the battlepass gives back the apex coins it cost to buy. $18 a skin is on par with fortnite. now personally i think the quality of the skins are not worth it but my gameplay experience is unchanged if i choose not to purchase any skins.
Freeloader is a derrogatory therm. Same as calling someone a parasite or leach. Besides any player that is playing for free is a potential costumer, so insulting ur potential costumers is never a good idea.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Freeloader
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It's not when half the discussion in their own comments on Reddit are them attempting to justify their predatory business practices. Harassment, insults, and death threats are unacceptable. There isn't really much discussion to be had about that, because that much is obvious. But half the OP isn't even about harassment, it's someone on reddit asking a polite question about their business model and them doubling down on it. That's worth discussing.
Yeah that freeloader argument is stupid in a free-to-play game. I would have preferred to pay once and didn't have everything locked tbh - kinda like Overwatch does it. You can still get most stuff if you're invested into the game. But obviously that would hurt EA's revenue too much.
There are also free games without microtransactions, as well as paid games with microtransactions inside of them, So I've never really understood the "Freeloader" argument either.
not derogatory considering the context of him saying that they love that many players are freeloaders.
the game offers hours and hours of gameplay with no obligation to buy anything, because there is nothing gameplay-altering being sold, aside from characters, which take barely any time at all to unlock. people are just whining that they can't get even more stuff for free.
Should stand up for every single demographic that is being hurt or exploited.
Micro transactions are an aggressive attack on gamblers and children.
I agree with most of what you said. It is interesting though that through this action of a nasty gamer we found out that reapawn as a developer are more than happy with these pricing models. Most people thought it was EA pushing them to do it.
Both sides are wrong and right. The gamers are 100x more toxic then the devs have ever been, but no doubt the micro transactions are overpriced (for the average gamer). I play Apex everyday, it's really the only game I've been playing since it launched and I love it. It is just cosmetics but it's insane they can get away with $18 for a single skin. But honestly it's not necessarily Respawn's fault. People buy this shit at that price and a lot more than people realize. It's enough for them to obviously keep charging that much and make a profit.
Unfortunately there are enough whales out the that keep buying and in turn those that don't have that kind of money are alienated from ever obtaining these items.
Unfortunately there are enough whales out the that keep buying and in turn those that don't have that kind of money are alienated from ever obtaining these items.
I dont see anyone whining wanted free stuff. I saw a person asking politely if they would drop the price of skins, showing interest in purchansing skins for a fair price. And the devs come out with market research excuses while saying most of the playrbase are freeloaders anyway. And yes Freeloader is derogatory, thats why he had the need to add that he loved them. Ofc he love them, without the players that play for free the servers would be empty making anyone that spends money on the game move for some more populated game.
I dont have any problem with the dev calling asshat or dick to ppl that dont know how to give feedback without personal attacks or insults. Its the Freeloader part thats problematic. If you dont want "freeloaders" in ur game simply dont make a free to play game.
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Their criticism is totally warranted. IT GOES BOTH WAYS. If we bitch, they get to bitch too. It's called a Democracy.
You don't have to agree with their opinion and they don't have to agree with yours.
You don't have to agree with their opinion and they don't have to agree with yours.
You probably shouldn't call your playerbase names, just from a business standpoint. However,
Lol, I don't find much problem with the dev's words or the skins. Those entitled folk can feel outraged all they want. A shitty comment deserves a backhanded response. Spew toxicity and you are going to get it back.
Don't bother with them, they have no argument at all other than tell you how you're actually justifying this and that, no matter what you say or don't say.
And also that user is clearly baiting you, which the forum is supposed to want less of, so please report and ignore.
Pretty much this. People being mean isn't okay but being mad that people called you out on your shit is stupid.
I don't think they were baiting me, they just made a shit post then posted more shit to try and back that up, then bailed
Thanks though, at least some people on Era still want to have an actual discussion and not just post shit hot takes
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I like games. I also like movies, tv shows, books, comics, music, etc just as much.
I don't call myself a gamer any more than i call myself a watcher, reader or listener. I do those things but i'm not defined by those things.
I'd rather pay a full price for a game with a lot of content and cosmetics that are already in the game but have to be unlocked via challenging goals than getting a fp2 game with little playable content and a huge focus on overpriced cosmetics. maybe i am a freeloader because i dont buy cosmetics but they gave me the option to play for free so am i really? i just don't want to support the current business model in BRs.
Hah, wow. Listen to what you just said. So according to you, people shouldn't be offended by stereotypes or negative representations? Okay, I'll keep that in mind.
Now this is how you speak, let the moderators and forums and the law do their job for the death threats. Do not add fuel to the fire. And some gamers need to learn there is another way to fight monetisation instead of rampaging like a bunch of little kids.
Who said anything about stereotypes? I just have no issues with people generalising to get a point across. I don't take offence when someone saying "men are trash" for instance for similar reasons. Or general criticism of white folk. Why? Because despite being male and white, I recognise that a large portion of white males are in fact...Trash. shocking I know. gamers are the same. If you don't fit the criticism being directed at gaming. Congrats. You have nothing to be offended by, I'm certainly not, you shouldn't be either.
Oh boy. I'm pretty sure a large portion of all people are trash regardless of sex or ethnicity. That much is statistically obvious. The problem is when you specifically criticize a large group of people based solely on anecdotal evidence. If you're not offended, that's fine, but I'd hope you would at least understand why others would be. And no, being offended by a negative generalization does not mean that generalization is accurate or that you fit within it. That reasoning could be applied to any negative generalization about any group of people.
