goddamn that was one callus post you replied to. Holy shit at the abject lack of empathy.
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Apex Legends developers spark outrage after calling gamers “dicks”, “ass-hats”and “freeloaders”
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You can tell the people who are fortunate enough to never have had to deal with severe addiction issues either personally or in their family. If they had they would know just how fucking debilitating it is and how asinine, if not just plain insulting "just seek help" is. The complete lack of empathy is astounding.
Usually I don't argue this side of things and perhaps side of the argument relating to kids got the better of me. Addiction is tough and a disease - I understand it well enough so my hardened tone on Adults is a little misaligned here. Having said that - advertising to kids has been a thing going on forever, but adults need to step in and engage with kids about these tactics.
If a few developers are trying to make a buck with MTX but the advertising is so wide it casts children in its net are we going to blame the developers? Maybe. If a few developers are trying to prey on kids by specifically advertising to them are we going to blame them? Perhaps. But seriously, where are the parents? Are we seriously raising our kids today without this conversation? Do we blame Walmart when our kids want all the F'n candy on the lines? Do we blame Mc'D or their happy meals? Do we blame Mr. Softy Ice Cream Trucks. Come on.
Also, looking into Apex's loot box situation doesn't even warrant this type of response. It's either you buy it or you don't. Lock down these consoles and ensure kids aren't spending your money. And if they do - talk to them. It's seriously this simple.
Yup.
The only F2P game I play regularly is Rocket League. The system there is ok. I liked it better when you got decryptors during events. That way you could use them to open the crates you already have to try for items you want. Now you can only open crates for the current event.
I have spent very little, but I would rather pay straight up for what I want.
Every large company who sells anything spends a lot of money on advertising for that thing, advertising which tends to exploit ways in which we think. The point where it becomes bad to me, is when it becomes legit gambling. Simply putting a digital item up for sale and having people buy that shit isn't gambling, and isn't bad at all.
It's super easy to create blocks which stop kids buying things with stolen cards. I advocate for that. I don't know why that's ignored as a way to solve the real problems you and many other people point out.
Just because a child has the opportunity to do something bad with something, that doesn't mean we should eliminate that thing. It means we should childproof that thing, which again, is really fucking easy.
You mean the prices that are set high specifically to encourage buying loot boxes instead? The economy is connected, if loot boxes are available everything is warped around them.
Those damn gamers and their complaining are what ruins everything, no insidious monetization schemes here!
Here's why it's ignored: it's nonsense, not a solution to anything.
Out of the many stories of parents finding out their children took their credit cards for mtx, they usually had in common that the parents were not aware of the situation, how then are you expecting "blocks" to solve the problem that people aren't even aware of until after they can't do anything about it?
You and the attempted defenses of respawn here just look to blame literally anything but the devs, the kids are stupid, the parents are stupid, people ringing the alarm are stupid (and justify abuse of developers).
You know, maybe the problem is aggresive, predatory monetization models that look to exploit vulnerable people, such as those employed by EA, how's that sound? Am I getting warm?
Here's a real solution:
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idk to me it seems fine. My only complaint is I have to buy apex coins. Its nice having a choice between trying my luck at a lootbox to see what I'll get or just paying extra to directly get it.
spending money on any of this shit is stupid anway.
Do you honestly think I'm talking about manual blocks set up by parents after the fact and not the masses of automated card payment restrictions which already exist?!
So the actual root of the problem is not what needs a solution, it's the intended effects of it, I see. What an interesting approach, I wonder how this is all even an issue then.
What do you mean by the root of the problem? Do you mean Lootboxes or pay to win mtrx? I already think they should go. I'm saying that cosmetic items aren't inherently bad because they're expensive. Of course, there are scenarios where it can be bad, and we should stop those, and I've already pointed out how we can do that.
Then what are you arguing with me for? I replied to tell you that "blocks" are not an answer because the only real solution is to stop the practice dead in it's tracks with legislation, unless you think the industry can regulate itself, which you know, would never happen unless they were threatened with legislation anyway.
Okay. How about offensive generalizations towards Asian people who are in no way systemically oppressed in the U.S? Are those okay?
The fact that you consider certain offensive generalizations to be acceptable is... odd. How about we just refrain from making offensive generalizations at all?
I think it's pretty absurd to criticize men, white people and gamers in general terms because we're talking about millions of people here. Your opinion is based on the vocal minority that shout the loudest on the internet. That's maybe 1% of the actual demographic you're broadly criticizing. But hey, you do you. Who needs statistical evidence anyway?