They funded storied devs like BioWare and Blizzard and gave them creative freedom.
You really can't predict these things IMHO
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"Apex Legends Disappointment Signals Substantial Pain Ahead [for EA]"
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They funded storied devs like BioWare and Blizzard and gave them creative freedom.
You really can't predict these things IMHO
I checked out after purchasing the battlepass and realizing I can't devote 20+ hours a week to grind out shitty cosmetics. I wouldn't be able to do that even if the rewards were good.
I'm cool with GaaS but once it feels like a job, I'm out. Too many great games to play. Too little time.
I'm cool with GaaS but once it feels like a job, I'm out. Too many great games to play. Too little time.
- Battle Pass was wack
- They take too long to update the game
- Why is there still no Duo queues? (As far as I know, unless it's there now lol)
- Fortnite makes a lot more changes at a faster pace + they make a lot more changes to the map etc which entices people to keep playing.
- Fortnite also happens to hype up updates more than they do when you think about it, every season there's been something "major" to hype up from Thanos, Marshmellow Concert, Avengers team up supposed happening soon and others
- They didn't capitalize on their hype train they had when it first came out, instead they let everyone be super excited and enthusiastic about the game without making changes and hearing feedback. If they engaged with the fans, streamer personalities and all of that to help make changes or rapid updates or at least create a list of changes the community wanted to then communicate to them what they're changing, it would have kept people going etc.
- There's also a good number of great games that have come out since the beginning of the year (RE2,KH3, The Division 2, DMC5) etc that people would rather devote their time towards
- Fortnite has been here a lot longer so it's also kind of an "ol'reliable type thing"
- Plus signal brings a good point, people probably do follow the whole "Apex isn't in first place anymore after only 3 days? Dead game smfh I'm going to stop playing this too" culture.
Same. I play a couple of hours a week between other games, still loving it. Bought the battle pass and know I won't finish it, but doesn't really matter to me. Definitely got my $10 out of this game and will buy the next one too.
Having it be reasonably popular isnt the same as it skyrocketing to the height it got so fast
Battle Pass was so weak that it killed a lot of my interest. The core game is great, but there needs to be more to look forward to in terms of unlocks and whatnot. The skins are also seriously disappointing for both characters and weapons.
There's little incentive for me to play it unless a friend wants me to hop on.
Battlepass in comparison to Fortnite or even the BO4 ones feels slow to progress through.
Unlocks in general are wack.
3 person squads only (sometime's I'll have no one to play with cause squads are full on my friends list lol)
Apart from that though everything on paper is pretty much what I wanted from a BR, especially after Blackout's horrendeous looting controls on console at launch. But I somehow found myself with more playtime and memorable moments in Blackout which I only played for around 70 hours.
Battlepass in comparison to Fortnite or even the BO4 ones feels slow to progress through.
Unlocks in general are wack.
3 person squads only (sometime's I'll have no one to play with cause squads are full on my friends list lol)
Apart from that though everything on paper is pretty much what I wanted from a BR, especially after Blackout's horrendeous looting controls on console at launch. But I somehow found myself with more playtime and memorable moments in Blackout which I only played for around 70 hours.
You had the choice of not buying the pass and just playing the game when you wanted. You won't play the game because you bought the battle pass?
I don't understand gamers now
I like the game a lot but I pretty much played it non stop for a month and I'm burned out now, maybe in a couple months I'll return to it. Hopefully with a better Battle Pass.
I understand some writers need to make a living, but this is the 3rd thread (at least) about different articles describing the "downfall" of Apex based purely on Twitch metrics. Do we really need a new thread for every article? This one in particular I don't really understand the source, is this some sort of hobbyist stock analyst?
I fail to see how the game is a disappointment for Respawn or EA at this point, they seem to be going at their own pace. A lot of people seem to think a game has to be constantly chasing the biggest new entertainment property of the last couple of years to be successful.
I fail to see how the game is a disappointment for Respawn or EA at this point, they seem to be going at their own pace. A lot of people seem to think a game has to be constantly chasing the biggest new entertainment property of the last couple of years to be successful.
To me it's pretty simple, they came out with probably the most polished BR experience to date with some excellent features and dropped the ball shortly afterwards. The main problems to me are:
- Loot boxes become slow and then non existent
- Updates aren't nearly frequent enough
- The season pass is disappointing not only in content, but the speed of levels
- The new character was pretty underwhelming
Nothing hurts an online game more than negative press saying the game is "dead". Low playerbase games can turn it around (not saying Apex has a "low" playerbase) but once word of mouth is "this game is dead", no matter how true it is, that's REALLY hard to turn around.
Still playing it, 1h each coupe of days, having fun. I don't care if it's a roaring succes or a bit more nuanced, I don't need more content. It's pretty good as it is. I remembered recently how I could have fun for many month with a single game in the 8/16/32/128 bit eras. We've become so entitled for new content every week, new patches, weapon, etc. these days.
I bought the pass. I played the first week and a half for a couple hours a night to try keep pace to get to level 100. Realized I couldn't keep that pace. It started feeling a chore. Burnt myself out. Now I don't really feel like going back. That help?
The rewards are too few and far between whether you buy the battle pass or not.
Seems like the honeymoon period is over, which is fairly understandable, the lackluster Battle Pass turned a lot of people off (considering you have to spend quite the ammount of time to get everything and the rewards are not that great) and the fact that people were complaining about not getting loot boxes after hitting a certain cap level hasn't helped either.
Still, the game is fantastic and is still the best and only good Battle Royale out there (got myself a couple matches last night, still tight), so I'll keep playing it, maybe just paying up to unlock the characters (gotta admit the process to do it for free is also really long).
Still, the game is fantastic and is still the best and only good Battle Royale out there (got myself a couple matches last night, still tight), so I'll keep playing it, maybe just paying up to unlock the characters (gotta admit the process to do it for free is also really long).
Gonna quote myself from February --
Something to also keep in mind is that aside from the incredible organic growth that Fortnite has seen, they also continually pump money into user acquisition as is the norm for most successful F2P titles intent on growth--while on the other hand, Apex Legends kind of made a big deal out of only spending to incentivize organic installs at launch. This is not a sustainable business model for growth, and something people working in the traditional gaming industry don't seem to understand is that growth is a continuable, scalable ratio of dollars out to dollars in.
I don't know right now if EA is shitting their pants over Apex's performance but I certainly would be. It comes down to what their expectations were, and how they defined success. If they're OK with it making the amount of money it's made (which, to be fair, is an assload of money), but don't care to make even more, then I suppose they might be happy. This entire scenario reminds me of how Niantic completely blew it (from a business perspective) with the Pokemon GO launch by creating a genuine cultural phenomenon and then failing to take advantage of it.
All these things are still applicable today. Epic has repeatedly demonstrated themselves leaders in live ops in the traditional space, even going so far as to influence mobile trends (when it's historically been the other way around). On the other hand, Respawn has a history of poor progression design and bad retention metrics.
Something to also keep in mind is that aside from the incredible organic growth that Fortnite has seen, they also continually pump money into user acquisition as is the norm for most successful F2P titles intent on growth--while on the other hand, Apex Legends kind of made a big deal out of only spending to incentivize organic installs at launch. This is not a sustainable business model for growth, and something people working in the traditional gaming industry don't seem to understand is that growth is a continuable, scalable ratio of dollars out to dollars in.
I don't know right now if EA is shitting their pants over Apex's performance but I certainly would be. It comes down to what their expectations were, and how they defined success. If they're OK with it making the amount of money it's made (which, to be fair, is an assload of money), but don't care to make even more, then I suppose they might be happy. This entire scenario reminds me of how Niantic completely blew it (from a business perspective) with the Pokemon GO launch by creating a genuine cultural phenomenon and then failing to take advantage of it.
They need to roll out the following:
-The New Legend that is meant for this season
-Solo Mode and Duos
Solo mode should get significant tuning to feel different from the rest of the game. I think Solos should disable Legends and make it a separate lore-based mode based on Pilots.
Pilots are generic male/female soldiers that you can customize. They can sell headgear, outfits, etc. in place of skins for Legends. Solos should make a bunch of Legend abilities pick up items to loot, allowing you to have more creative fun in utilizing a bunch of different abilities in a single playthrough. Solos inherently also lets
-Solo mode that removes the focus on abilities also allows more items to be added bi-weekly, like launch pads, new items, etc
-They should be working on more varied maps like PUBG
-The New Legend that is meant for this season
-Solo Mode and Duos
Solo mode should get significant tuning to feel different from the rest of the game. I think Solos should disable Legends and make it a separate lore-based mode based on Pilots.
Pilots are generic male/female soldiers that you can customize. They can sell headgear, outfits, etc. in place of skins for Legends. Solos should make a bunch of Legend abilities pick up items to loot, allowing you to have more creative fun in utilizing a bunch of different abilities in a single playthrough. Solos inherently also lets
-Solo mode that removes the focus on abilities also allows more items to be added bi-weekly, like launch pads, new items, etc
-They should be working on more varied maps like PUBG
The game seemed to be rushed to launch beside Anthem before it was content rich/feature complete, probably at the behest of EA higher ups in the hopes that at least one of the two would be a massive hit. Amazingly and no doubt due to Respawn's pedigree as devs, Apex is great, but within no time at all Fortnite had copied its two most lauded features (Respawning and the ping system) and with a disappointing battle pass and glacially slow game updates, there's just not much to keep you excited about continuing to play the game.
Really makes you wonder if this game could have become the new BR king if it had been given just a few more months of dev time to be in a more solid starting position, but even with that said, I really hope Apex can turn it around because the game is so fun and deserves the success.
Really makes you wonder if this game could have become the new BR king if it had been given just a few more months of dev time to be in a more solid starting position, but even with that said, I really hope Apex can turn it around because the game is so fun and deserves the success.
I think the worst part about apex is they don't update fast enough, like if they even added slight changes to the map for a short period, or even add a duo mode. I think this is the best BR game period but lack of updates hurts this game imo
Getting a 180 hrs out of a free game is pretty good. Got my last achievement last night, But i've been wanting to get back to the games ive been neglecting.
So much doom and gloom commentary around this game and here I am loving every fucking moment.
I do wish it updated faster but I don't think the game is dying for me.
I do wish it updated faster but I don't think the game is dying for me.
I was bored within a couple days. Never even bothered to check out BFV's BR mode.
I think I'm just bored of it all.
I think I'm just bored of it all.
Once I hit 1000/1000 achievement points, I was pretty much done with Apex.
The game was much more enjoyable at launch when it was still new (and relativity more easy to get victories and kills).
But, yeah, it just isn't a varied enough experience to keep me coming back day after day. Unlike Overwatch, the skins don't really do it for me as an incentive to pull me back to earn more...
I enjoyed it for what it was and I happily gave them $10 for the enjoyment they afforded me.
The game was much more enjoyable at launch when it was still new (and relativity more easy to get victories and kills).
But, yeah, it just isn't a varied enough experience to keep me coming back day after day. Unlike Overwatch, the skins don't really do it for me as an incentive to pull me back to earn more...
I enjoyed it for what it was and I happily gave them $10 for the enjoyment they afforded me.
I hit rank 100 and haven't touched the game in roughly a month. My buddies have moved on from it, too. The lack of content and updates hurt the overall experience like not offering leaderboards, stats pages and QoL features only recently added from what I've heard.
Much of the loot was low effort and not cool or exciting like banners or tacky skins. Awarding less loot boxes as you progressed in rank was stingy as well. Some of the balancing the devs have done like nerfing the wingman and buffing the DMR shows such a disconnect with those weapons and play styles.
It should be said that the map got boring very quickly. Respawn needed to add or alter some locations and eventually release a new locale entirely. The real nail in the coffin, though, was that terrible season pass. I have no interest in going back to this game regardless of any changes at this point.
Much of the loot was low effort and not cool or exciting like banners or tacky skins. Awarding less loot boxes as you progressed in rank was stingy as well. Some of the balancing the devs have done like nerfing the wingman and buffing the DMR shows such a disconnect with those weapons and play styles.
It should be said that the map got boring very quickly. Respawn needed to add or alter some locations and eventually release a new locale entirely. The real nail in the coffin, though, was that terrible season pass. I have no interest in going back to this game regardless of any changes at this point.
I think one thing that is obvious is that Respawn doesn't have a development pipeline in place that lets them output a lot of content that people were expecting. The growth of Fortnite happened in a completely different way from how Apex popped onto the scene. It has to be seen if they can ramp up production and recapture lapsed players with new content or if they even want to do that.
There actually was a double Battlpass xp event last week, from April 16th to April 18th. Not sure why they decided to do that in the middle of the week though
https://www.dailyesports.gg/apex-le...weapon-balancing-battle-pass-double-xp-event/
I burnt out in a week and they aren't on top of delivering new content. The Battle Pass being terrible doesn't help things.
I like the game but get tired of squads pretty quickly after either a few good games or a few bad ones, I'd prefer a solo mode at the least so I can just play it by myself and not worry about other people all the time. The map is quite small and there's nothing remotely exciting about it.
Battle pass and cosmetics are dire.
I still play one or two games a few days a week but I'll probably never spend money on it at this rate
Battle pass and cosmetics are dire.
I still play one or two games a few days a week but I'll probably never spend money on it at this rate
Their treating Apex like a Faberge egg rather than a fun experiment to throw wrenches into. It got dull. There's so much they could be doing to twist things up that don't require art assets or large amounts of resources.
The article claims,
"With Apex making up a substantial portion of EA's valuation, EA's stock faces substantial declines."
EA is at the exact same price it was at before Apex Legends was suddenly announced and launched.
"With Apex making up a substantial portion of EA's valuation, EA's stock faces substantial declines."
EA is at the exact same price it was at before Apex Legends was suddenly announced and launched.
This new generation is too fucking needy, if you don't release an update each week then they consider your game dead ugh
The game is still too fun and it scratches an itch that no other game really does, and it has very good gunplay, pacing, etc....
The battlepass is a bit disappointing but that's not really a killing point at all
The game is still too fun and it scratches an itch that no other game really does, and it has very good gunplay, pacing, etc....
The battlepass is a bit disappointing but that's not really a killing point at all
I think the state of actual gameplay in Apex Legends is in a pretty great state. I play daily, and thanks to balance patches, the new character and the new weapon, I actually enjoy it more than when I started.
The season pass was terrible. Very low-effort on Respawns's part: it's just very long survival time grind with poor rewards.
The general stinginess of the loot crate system is terrible. The loot itself is also pretty bad.
The season pass was terrible. Very low-effort on Respawns's part: it's just very long survival time grind with poor rewards.
The general stinginess of the loot crate system is terrible. The loot itself is also pretty bad.
I get the sense EA and Respawn weren't expecting it to be such a success and they've been struggling to catch up and meet expectations.
I still maintain it's the best "Day 1" BR experience I've played, and the core gameplay mechanics are unrivalled in the genre.
People have insane expectations around daily/weekly/monthly content, which doesn't help when fundamentally these games are about playing the same map/mode with minor variations.
I still maintain it's the best "Day 1" BR experience I've played, and the core gameplay mechanics are unrivalled in the genre.
People have insane expectations around daily/weekly/monthly content, which doesn't help when fundamentally these games are about playing the same map/mode with minor variations.
Fortnite has ruined people's expectations of games as service, especially in the BR field. When you're getting new things to do weekly in the most popular game in the world, and Apex comes out strong but then fails to make any real changes and shits out a half assed Battle Pass....yeah, things aren't gonna go well.
I still really enjoy the game but with nothing really new to do I play a lot less.
I still really enjoy the game but with nothing really new to do I play a lot less.
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