The problem is not offering alternative methods to support the game and only offering a manipulative loot box system.
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Apex Legends New Timed Event Takes Monetization To A Whole New Level
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The problem is not offering alternative methods to support the game and only offering a manipulative loot box system.
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Again, I have no idea what you're on about. If you actually have something to query in the longer post it might be more constructive in where we disagree on the topic.
Since its completely OPTIONAL AND COSMETIC only items it is not really a problem.
There are 44 skins at the $20 price point. Still appearing on the shop as late as last week, still new ones being released as late as two months ago.
I believe if people want to spend their money how they like then that is up to them, if people don't like it eventually they won't pay for it.
If this was a paid for game then it is understandable, but it is free.
I don't but them but i love the game, so have purchased the battle pass instead.
I'm not saying there aren't, I'm saying that Fortnite adjusted their pricing model in the past based on player feedback so it's not the best case to use against prices being iterated upon in that sense.
It's not about you, if you genuinely didn't care you wouldn't be talking about it.
So many games have been influenced by MTX, designed around MTX and overall pushing how much MTX a game can take before people as a whole go "No" and they have to change it, like SWBFII. They will keep doing this in cycles, slowly do these shitty little tactics to get metrics on what's possible, what's not, keep trying for more etc. $70, or $150 for everything even for a F2P Game is both not surprising but extremely fucking greedy.
They didn't even TRY let people earn it if they have the time, the incentive used to be to skip the bullshit but now it's outright limited to spend money.
How are you not even seeing this? While this also doesn't directly effect me in THIS TITLE; other games will.
They will design games, mechanics, features and grindy bullshit that I can't tolerate in once loved titles and IPs and it will bother me.
Me not giving a shit what one does doesn't matter, other people spending money and giving excuses to these businesses just makes it worse for games in the future for someone who doesn't like MTX.
People say it's F2P so they need to make money some how, well how about you let me buy your game to avoid all the bullshit.
Oh, no I can't? I need to spend over $100 per event for everything? Aha I see why.
It's an intentionally naive and simplistic view of the situation because they're really only upset that the game they like is being criticized. What other reason do they have to be upset over people suggesting a pricing structure is too expensive to the consumer.
Its pushed as the only way to unlock certain skins, and yes, people really do want these. People often start using lootboxes without the intention of spending a lot, and lo and behold they end up spending a fortune.
You can call them idiots if you want and expose your total lack of empathy toward the many people who fall prey to these kinds of systems. "its just cosmetic" was never an excuse to include predatory monetization.
Do you have a single example of these double standards or is this just presumption?
It's not even just the pricing. If this was a collection of skins and other cosmetics that you could buy individually then I would not even care.
It's the fact they are resorting to using predatory practices like these RNG lootboxes and then on top of that scumbag tactic they are pricing them at an absurd level.
I have to guess it's because they don't personally play those mobile games, but they do play Apex so they do care about that. Then again maybe they do have an issue with mobile, but just not talking about it here.
This is a thread about Apex. Make a thread about mobile gacha pricing models and I'm sure people will express similar sentiments.
You're completely right to point that out, though even without the RNG I still think it doesn't justify a limitless price (which I doubt you do either, but considering the sentiment..).
I should be speaking to the wider implementation and it adjusting because it equally isn't a linear line to revenue.
I've mentioned this a few times, but it's the seven hundred percent markup compared to regular boxes that folks have an issue with. I like to support the game myself, and if it weren't astronomically priced I might get a few. It is actually better in a way because the boxes have no dupes and a pretty even chance to get an epic or legendary item. It does require a minimum of around $130 to get all items, even if you complete all the in-game challenges.
Some posters are claiming because the game is F2P, it negates all criticism of the pricing. I'm still enjoying the game regardless, but am voting with my wallet here on the event.
You are making arguments against things I havent said lmao.
"You can call me an asshole and expose your total lack of being able to make rational arguments on the internet."
It's a free to play game, having things behind loot boxes that are cosmetic is bleh but the game is still free to enjoy. It would be best to be able to buy the items outright, but it's EA and we know that would not happen, they need to milk loot boxes until it's dead. If this was a buy to play game they would at least have to have a way for dlc costumes to be bought outright.
Free to play. Some companies do it right (Warframe, Path of Exile, etc.), most do it wrong (annoying monetization, pay for less headache/convenience, rng skins loot boxes only, and the worst pay to win).
Free to play. Some companies do it right (Warframe, Path of Exile, etc.), most do it wrong (annoying monetization, pay for less headache/convenience, rng skins loot boxes only, and the worst pay to win).
Accurate even if I can't speak to the examples, which is why feedback is important because it can make companies re-evaluate and there will almost always be an iterative step toward doing it right that affords more good-will from consumers without sacrificing ongoing revenue. It just requires that to be explored.
Reacting when a company starts to overextend in their pricing model (for which F2P has a greater incentive to regardless of people using it as a shield) is natural from a consumer perspective. It's also healthy. There should be that to and fro.
Yeah it's super shitty. Locking the gear behind paid loot boxes is one thing, but to then charge 7x more for the limited time event loot box than they do for a standard Apex Pack is some bullshit. This, coupled with general fatigue with the game, has resulted in me dropping Apex for the foreseeable future.
"ITS F2P JUST COSMETIC" in all caps is absolutely close enough to calling people fools for gambling. I can only assume you feel this way because of a lack of understanding or empathy.
FWIW I think, like you mentioned, people at this point expect it from mobile games as opposed to AAA console games forcing them in. They're both predatory but the difference I'd say is console games are pushed into mainstream consumption in a more aggressive manner. It really comes down to how these games are marketed versus what we get, and often in the case of GaaS, what we get down the line.
Mobile tactics suck as well, and is a terrible money sink for a lot of people, but for the most part you know what you're getting into. With Apex or even something like Crash Team Racing, where more MTX are introduced later on, a lot of people are right to be disappointed when games they've already put a ton of time in find more ways to charge them.
"Just don't gamble, its optional! Just ignore the persistent advertisements to gamble! It doesn't effect me, personally!"
Correct me if i'm wrong since I didn't really pay attention to the monetization implementations, but isn't Rainbow Six Siege like this as well?
I would be happier if they were selling skins for $15-20 each so I could buy the two I want. Like they were doing since the release, their store always has skins. I don't really want to buy lootboxes and hope that Lady Luck will give me what I want in lootbox #1 and not #20.
Well, there is Quake Champions and Unreal Tournament 4.
No one plays them though, at least not in Brazil :(
You don't feel guilty that the items that people actually want can't be bought at all unless you engage in gambling? If people like you actually read through the whole thread, you would see that most people are not complaining about price but about the way the items they want are obtained. If each item was say priced at 20 dollars or pounds an individual after 1 specific item could spend 20 during the event and be content. Instead they have to pay 7 for a slot machine pull. Now after 3 pulls without the item they want they are effectively overspending because of the gambling mechanic. A few lucky people will pull their desired item in 1 go but 99% will have to spend more than the 20 to get what they want. It's absurd to think that you would have to potentially pull 24 times to guarantee the item you want.
I also don't really care if this offends you but perhaps you should put your hand in your pocket every now and then to show a little appreciation for the people who put all their efforts into making the game. I mean there are starter packs on the stores that are pretty much designed for people like you who enjoy the game but are not overly bothered by the cosmetic side of the game. Your happy to let other people pay through the nose for a slot machine pull to fund your free to play experience. Reminds me of the benefit's system in my country, where people are happy to sit and home all day and do nothing and let the working tax payers fund their free money because why bother putting something in to benefit others when you can let someone else do it for you yea??
Same. I'm not entitled to have every single skin in a F2P game, and i've learned that years ago.
As much as I love Respawn, this sort of shit was always inevitable, especially seeing as Apex is F2P.
On that note, whoever wants to take the mantle for OT 3, go nuts. I don't actively play the game and don't really have much to offer on the next go 'round.
Are you thinking deeply about this while playing the free game you're playing for free?
I'd say milk the whales and thanks for making the game free in all the ways I care about, but I wonder if the kneejerk hyperbolic headlines do more harm than not.
It's their game and if you wanna blame EA for this that's fine but Respawn is absolutely complicit.
They give two lootboxes for free for completing two different (and long) challenges. So two random free items overall.
So offer them at a fixed rate and not solely through slot machines that are designed to be exploitative? I spent some money on skins for League of Legends when I used to play because it was a fixed rate and not a total crapshoot.
In the rush to defend a corporation, friendos, you may have missed the fact that people don't want "all the skins", they most likely just want the skin for the character they mainly play as. Due to there being no option to just buy said thing, the gambling of the loot box nonsense drives the price to potentially $150+ if RNG goes as RNG so typically does.
That is what makes the entire thing so predatory and disgusting.
