It forces users to look down, which is a really dumb design. As a coder, it's an absolute pass for me.
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Apple launches new MacBook Pros, alleges it fixed the keyboard
- Thread starter mescalineeyes
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I'll def wait and see if they fixed the keyboard, I'd also love the option to NOT have a touch-bar.
I absolutely despise my current MBP.
I absolutely despise my current MBP.
over time keys will begin to stick / require extra force to reset. On my MBP its 'a/A' and 'Spacebar'.
The keyboard can literally be destroyed by a speck of dust or a crumb. Repairability is an all or nothing proposition most of the time. Some people have success with canned air, but many others have not, which is why Apple has the extended warranty program. That scary part is they're already including the new design in that warranty. Even they know the butterfly mechanic is doomed to fail.
Not having a problem with my 2018 MBP yet, but good to know if anything happens, that I am in that replacement program.
I'm holding onto my 2015 13" MBP until they revise the keyboard design, or until the rumoured 16" model comes out - hopefully without this obsessive pursuit of thinness. I could probably do with upgrading the SSD in this MacBook in the meantime, though.
Sometimes I wish I didn't like macOS so much.
EDIT: Watch that 16" model still start with 128GB of storage and run up to £3,000 for a top spec.
Sometimes I wish I didn't like macOS so much.
EDIT: Watch that 16" model still start with 128GB of storage and run up to £3,000 for a top spec.
Well I'm going to take the repair offer, I'm getting double spaces on my 2018 MBP regularly despite compressed air treatments (which do help, but are not a real solution) and I'll take my chances with the new keyboard. Wish they would just sacrifice a tiny bit of height for a proper keyboard though.
The real crime is that Apple has two other MacBook types that strive for maximum thinness (and even more bizarrely, all three MacBook types start within $100 of each other). It would be okay to give the Pro just a bit more function over form - there's two other MacBook types at the same price for consumers who prioritize height and weight.
The iPad team has this shit figured out. Three different iPads offered at 3 distinct starting prices. It shouldn't be this hard for the MacBook team to figure this out - it's almost like the MacBook team, the MB Air team, and the MB Pro team are just entirely separate entities and were somehow all tasked with the same goal of making as thin of a machine as possible and aim for a $1200-1300 starting point.
I do have a splinter of sympathy for the Pro team when it comes to processor throttling, as at least a fraction of that issue can be blamed on intel for dragging their feet on getting down to 10nm and thus causing their latest 14nm chips to run hotter to get that better performance. But it still all comes back to purposely designing a machine that's just too fucking thin for 2019 Pro user needs.
Yah, as far as my personal computer goes, I just had Apple do a repair on the screen on their dime which, for some reason, also resulted in a replacement of the logic board (tech error?). I'm holding on to it forever. It'd be even nicer if I had a 2015.
I've gone through 2x2016 and a 2018 15" tMBP at work. The first 2016 had a key become inop due to shitty keyboard, the second one had a USB-C overvolt issue, and my last 2018 just died to a black screen one day and didn't come back despite multiple attempts after clearing the NVRAM and SMC. So I'm on my 4th tMBP in < 2 years.
Idk - everyone seems to be hating on the Touch Bar here.
I've had mine since 2016 and I have had the keyboard replaced a few times. The issue is always a sticky physical key. I have yet to come across the digital escape button failing. I get why people would like it to be a physical key, but as it is - the Touch Bar is significantly more reliable than these physical keys lol
Edit: there are times the Touch Bar works to fix website video issues. Safari has gone to crap with some video playback for some of my glitchy school websites. The videos won't pause of play with a click. So I just tap the pause/play button on the Touch Bar and it seems to work lol. The issue is a shitty website, but the Touch Bar solves it lmao
I've had mine since 2016 and I have had the keyboard replaced a few times. The issue is always a sticky physical key. I have yet to come across the digital escape button failing. I get why people would like it to be a physical key, but as it is - the Touch Bar is significantly more reliable than these physical keys lol
Edit: there are times the Touch Bar works to fix website video issues. Safari has gone to crap with some video playback for some of my glitchy school websites. The videos won't pause of play with a click. So I just tap the pause/play button on the Touch Bar and it seems to work lol. The issue is a shitty website, but the Touch Bar solves it lmao
Tons of Apple fans have been slamming them over this including Gruber
The least they could do after parading the old one around for so long. Good to see them own up to it.
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They've owned up for it for years, they just extended the program.
I had the opposite problem. I'm left handed and had my left half of the space bar completely stop working unless I hit it hard or forced myself to use my right thumb. I eventually fixed the space bar myself along with the other keys that randomly get stuck.
They didn't really own it. They claimed it was just a few people with the issue, and then last year they wrapped condoms around each key and said it was to give typing a better feel when everyone with a brain knew it was their attempt to keep dust/crumbs out from under the keys.
I don't know. Every time I thought I found some nice use for it, I end up just not using it. For a power user, there's hardly anything that a touch bar does, that can't be done with keyboard shortcuts (without looking down at the keyboard all the time). Most of the time honestly, I find myself having to find workarounds so that I don't have to use touchbar.
Now that I'm using Karabiner Elements to remap backtick key to ESC (and I still access backtick by pressing Fn+`) and remap Fn+1, Fn+2, Fn+3, etc to be function keys, I barely ever touch the touchbar anymore, except when I want to adjust screen brightness.
I have a 2016 so I'm dueish for an upgrade. Going from quad to octo core would be a massive jump in power but it's a lot of money and the GPUs are still meh even with the Vega 20 option.
Plus that 16" Mac with an infinity style display and I don't want to be stuck mid cycle paying another $3K when the new chassis comes out especially with it due 2020/21.
Plus that 16" Mac with an infinity style display and I don't want to be stuck mid cycle paying another $3K when the new chassis comes out especially with it due 2020/21.
I just realized, that they still sell the 15" MBP, that costs 2800€ over here, with a 256GB SSD. Wow.
I'm on a 2.5Ghz i7 from 2014, how big is the perceived difference in performance to a current CPU. I'm a developer, tons of applications opened and running VMs through docker. My 2014 really struggles, everything lags in MacOS and it's really a pain to use.
I'm on a 2.5Ghz i7 from 2014, how big is the perceived difference in performance to a current CPU. I'm a developer, tons of applications opened and running VMs through docker. My 2014 really struggles, everything lags in MacOS and it's really a pain to use.
I meant the free replacement.
No Apple Store in Portugal (only online and authorized vendors).
Apple is so confident in their "fixed" keyboards that the new Macbook Pro is already part of the repair program. Wow.
https://www.apple.com/uk/support/keyboard-service-program-for-mac-notebooks/
https://www.apple.com/uk/support/keyboard-service-program-for-mac-notebooks/
I really cannot fathom who in Apple thinks it is a good idea to ship new variations on the current MacBook Pro form factor.
It just begging to set fire to customer trust.
How dumb would you have to be to go "huh, Apple said they fixed this keyboard in the Air and if anything it's even worse, I definitely trust this same flawed design with some kind of minor tweak this time when they're extending the warranty to avoid a class action suit before the thing even ships."
Just. Get. Rid. Of. Butterfly. Keyboards.
It just begging to set fire to customer trust.
How dumb would you have to be to go "huh, Apple said they fixed this keyboard in the Air and if anything it's even worse, I definitely trust this same flawed design with some kind of minor tweak this time when they're extending the warranty to avoid a class action suit before the thing even ships."
Just. Get. Rid. Of. Butterfly. Keyboards.
Its pretty nifty.
I have a 13" MBP from last year. Its an awesome laptop. Hope I don't get any issues with the keyboard and if I do I hope they actually come through and fix the same (Apple has been pretty good to me regarding warranties and repairs).
I have a Pro from work so cost me nothing. I just don't get it, I can't understand why people pay huge money for these things. The touchbar is just a waste of space, it isn't nice to type on, various apps I use for work have to be restarted all the time, some frequently take 100% of the CPU and destroy the battery, etc. At least all the keys work. For now.
Didn't they already claim to have fixed this when they introduced the 2nd gen keyboards with membranes while insisting that there really wasn't anything wrong with the 1st gen?
I think it was the third revision that had the membranes. And it wasn't really until today that they came out and acknowledged there's a problem. Prior to this they said they extended the warranty because a few MBPs had the problem. When the membranes were added they weren't to fix the dust issue. They were to alter the feel of typing on it.
3k for a machine that is not user serviceable at all is garbage tier. You can't replace the screen or battery if anything happens to them.
Same with Surface devices. Expensive and wasteful.
Just put a new battery in it and call it good. It's not like your machine is any worse than a modern machine.
That's nice of them to offer repair/replacement. Though if they're nowhere near the pre-Touchbar Retina models, the keyboards will still disappoint.