Apple succumbs to the smartphone malaise

Oct 25, 2017
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I mean yea, I have no interest in getting an iPhone XS Max Ultra Hyper Edition, my current iPhone is fast enough and they aren't adding any actual new features to wow me.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Maybe people are finally done with Apples BS of telling them what they want.
There just isn't an obvious new upcoming hot trend that Apple can jump onto currently and make it cool.
Making the iPod was pretty obvious after digital music started taking of. Everyone saw the iPhone coming once it became clear the tech to combine phones and PDAs into smartphones was becoming available.
Now what they are going to do?
 
Oct 29, 2017
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My iPhone 7 that I bought at launch still says 84% battery condition, and I am 100% satisfied with it. Instead of upgrading my phone last year, I decided to upgrade my Apple Watch from a series 0 to the new Series 4. That was a massive upgrade for me as I use the watch so much every day. This year’s iPhone will have to blow me away to get me to upgrade.
 

Lentic

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Oct 27, 2017
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Still on a 6S that had a battery replacement. I imagine I’ll get another year out of it easily, hopefully 2.
Same here. I’ve used an X and I still don’t feel any pressure to upgrade. My next phone is probably going to be an Android though.
You lost me at decent camera. No they don’t. They also stink for any recent apps or games. It’s a budget phone with budget features that doesn’t compare or compete to what Apple is offering. As a budget phone it’s fine, nothing wrong with it.
For the majority of people the camera is perfectly fine. No one is saying that Chinese phones are cutting edge. Just that they get the same jobs done without problems, which is sufficient for 99% of the people out there.
 
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N.Domixis

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Oct 28, 2017
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It’s pretty much over, phone tech has peaked. It’s like the radio now.

Unless new get nano tech or volumetric holograms will never see another revolution.
 

Funky Papa

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Oct 28, 2017
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I've been holding on my current *Android* smartphone for close to three years now. And it's not even one with a plain OS, but heavily customised.

The thing is, most people don't give a fart about mobile VR or playing demanding games. I can do banking stuff, shop, navigate, play YouTube vidjeos, use WhatsApp and what not just fine. Chances are that the day I have to retire it will be because the battery is rather ho-hum at 3000mAh or so, but that's it.

I'll probably just ride this thing into the sunset like I did with my Lumia 920, which I only stopped using after taking some severe damage to the display that happened to be way too expensive to repair.

Apple? At the current prices it's even a more daunting proposition.
 

Piggus

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Oct 27, 2017
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While I love my XS Max for the size and camera, I think Apple's decision to prioritize optimization with iOS12 is part of this slump. It was obviously a nice, pro-consumer decision to optimize the OS for older devices and extend their life, but it had to contribute to people not upgrading. I really hope Apple doesn't go back to their old ways of not caring about optimization for older phones.

The price of the new phones don't really bother me that much. It's a premium product made with premium materials with basically second-to-none internal specs. And considering I use my phone A LOT for a lot of different things, paying the same price each month that I pay for internet access to have the best phone that's right for me is a no-brainer.

bendable phone is the next hot shit, unless samsung's upcoming one is a flop
Eh, looks incredibly gimmicky to me. Unless Google starts improving the Android tablet experience, I can't see it doing well. Who wants a bulky phone with a plastic screen that also happens to come with a mediocre tablet? Maybe in ten years when the tech is better, but I guess they have to start somewhere.
 

Funky Papa

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Oct 28, 2017
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The real crime is the death of the iPhone SE.

Manufacturers no longer give a shit about small phones, and Sony is not cutting it with the Mini line.

I wouldn't consider an iPhone (even as an iPad fan), but the SE was such a brilliant product.
 

Rodney McKay

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Oct 26, 2017
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I have some serious buyers remorse from getting my XS Max last September. I just keep getting bitten by the bug to upgrade every year and I really REALLY don't need to.

I kept my mid-range Android phone and I still use it now and then and i can honestly say it wasn't worth the money for the XS Max. Yes it's nice to have more games available and with a gorgeous screen and fast processor, but 90% or more of the games I play on mobile come out on both platforms and don't require the newest phone to run well.

At the very least if I should have just waited for the cheaper XR, which when I played with at an Apple Store I was impressed with how light it felt compared to my XS Max and how decent the screen still looked even though it was lower res.
And to save even more money I really should have just gone with an 8 or 8 Plus since I'm really not a fan of Face ID. Going back to my Android phone really makes me realize how much I prefer having a fingerprint sensor.

Still can't decide if I want to just sell my XS Max or stick with it for as long as possible before selling it. Either way I'd be losing at least a few hundred $'s.
 

Funky Papa

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Oct 28, 2017
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The first brand to release a large (and I mean large) phone with a 5000 mAh battery AND stock Android at a fair price is going to kill it.

Xiaomi has a few decent contenders there, but MIUI kind of sucks.
 

Dante316

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Oct 25, 2017
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I kept my pixel 2 instead of upgrading as I planned. The prices are just too much. Unless a sale comes, might not upgrade anytime soon
 

Herne

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Dec 10, 2017
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But yeah, you aren't gaming on budget phones until you hit the $400. Unless emulators are your thing, of course.
This isn't at all true, three years ago I paid €260 for an Android phone with a Snapdragon 820, Adreno 530, 6GB LPDDR4, 128GB UFS2.0, 1440P screen, 21MP 4K camera, etc. It laughs at any game I care to throw at it.
 

Nephtis

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Dec 27, 2017
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Rising prices wouldn’t be so bad if we had a major leap in performance and capabilities with each new iteration. People are finally starting to realize that each upgrade is merely a small increment. It’s best to hold on to your smartphone a couple of generations to make the investment seem worth it.

I’m hanging on to my 8 plus as long as I can and will switch to Android if Apple keeps up with the bullshit trend. It will be an inconvenience, sure. But I am willing to put up with it if it means I won’t have to spend more money for less product.
 

asmith906

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Oct 27, 2017
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Did you just say quality and Chinese phones? Lmao. I mean yeah they work are they in any way as good as an Apple IOS phone? Certainly not. Not even close.
It's the fact that phones have gotten good enough that paying apple tax doesn't seem worth it for a lot of people. I used to by nothing but apple. Every 2 years I'd get a new iPhone when the old one started slowing down. But apple kept raising the prices higher and higher while removing features from the phone. Eventually I didn't want to pay what they were asking for their phones. Now I'm using a $200 Android phone and the only thing I miss from iOS is the camera quality. But even this phone is good enough.
 

NameUser

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Oct 25, 2017
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Flagships are not worth it in the age of amazing $300 "budget" phones. No one needs to spend $1,000+ on a phone when one at a third of the price can basically do everything the flagship can.

It's a huge waste. The average person will never see the benefits of owing an iPhone XS because all they do is make calls, texts, and go on social media apps. Sure, the cameras are great, but those pictures get downgraded when you upload them to Facebook or Instagram. So the cameras only really matter if you're an enthusiast (or photographer who uses the phone for work).

Apple ran into this problem with the new iPad. All its power seems like a waste when it's confined to iOS. We're in the age of power for the sake of power.

Jumping off the flagship train was one of the best things I've ever done. It's all marketing BS. I only upgrade when I know the feature will improve my day-to-day use.

For example: Touch ID was a major gamecl changer because it made interacting with my device easier. Being able to open an app a couple seconds faster doesn't really improve anything. It's something you only notice when you hold two devices next to each other.

But once you used Touch ID it was hard to go back to anything else. Those are the kind of features that I need.
 

UltraMagnus

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Oct 27, 2017
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Apple's still posting insane shipment numbers and great revenue and net profit numbers.

I think they over-reached on price with the new iPhones. Bring it down by $200 for the X line and I think a lot of the griping will settle down.

They should release a budget iPhone for India too, something that's still sleek/cool looking but doesn't need to be super expensive.
 

RetroDLC

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Oct 27, 2017
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I've had a iPhone 8 Plus for over a year, and I look forward to buying a replacement in a year or two time. The notch puts me off the current phones, and even though I pine for a iPhone XR, I can never go lower than a 1080p screen.
 

NameUser

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Oct 25, 2017
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I've had a iPhone 8 Plus for over a year, and I look forward to buying a replacement in a year or two time. The notch puts me off the current phones, and even though I pine for a iPhone XR, I can never go lower than a 1080p screen.
Honestly, the screens are another gimmick to get people to upgrade. They started adding FHD & QHD screens now everyone thinks anything less is awful. But the XR's screen actually looks pretty good.

It's really only noticeable when compared directly to a higher resolution one side-by-side.

Still, you're doing the right thing. Wait as long as you can.
 

RetroDLC

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Oct 27, 2017
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Honestly, the screens are another gimmick to get people to upgrade. They started adding FHD & QHD screens now everyone thinks anything less is awful. But the XR's screen actually looks pretty good.

It's really only noticeable when compared directly to a higher resolution one side-by-side.

Still, you're doing the right thing. Wait as long as you can.
The camera quality and photo/video features matters most to me when considering a upgrade. The iPhone 8 Plus can do 4K 60FPS with no time limits (and I think EIS too) and image quality is really sharp. I can't imagine how much better phones can get, unless they make the insane leap to 4K 120FPS, or even 8K recording.

Edit: iPhone 8 Plus has OIS for all video resolutions, but 4K doesn't have EIS.
 
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SolidChamp

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Oct 27, 2017
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My jet black iPhone 7 Plus is the sleekest phone Apple has ever released.

No way am I trading up anytime soon. 5 years, baby. That’s how long I intend to make it last, barring any unforeseen circumstances.
 

NameUser

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Oct 25, 2017
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The camera quality and photo/video features matters most to me when considering a upgrade. The iPhone 8 Plus can do 4K 60FPS with no time limits (and I think EIS too) and image quality is really sharp. I can't imagine how much better phones can get, unless they make the insane leap to 4K 120FPS, or even 8K recording.
I can understand that. I think that'll be good enough for a while.
 

Sir Hound

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Oct 28, 2017
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These things are so powerful now they need to release a dock that hooks up to mouse, monitor and keyboard, maybe provides extra cooling. I imagine this would get a lot of users back on the update train and probably grow market share of a largely saturated market.
 

regenhuber

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Nov 4, 2017
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My iPhone 7 that I bought at launch still says 84% battery condition, and I am 100% satisfied with it. Instead of upgrading my phone last year, I decided to upgrade my Apple Watch from a series 0 to the new Series 4. That was a massive upgrade for me as I use the watch so much every day. This year’s iPhone will have to blow me away to get me to upgrade.
Didn’t even know you could do that. Thx!
My 7plus that I bought in Feb 2017 is still at 90%. Good to know.
I’m also 100% content with the current state of my phone.

Don’t even know what feature Apple could show “to blow me away” and make me upgrade.
Have seen 8s, Xs and XRs out in the wild and wasn’t impressed at all.
If anything these new IPhones look less sturdy. Like they can’t take a fall as well as a 6/7.

That said, if my 7plus starts giving me problems, I will probably go for a discounted X refurb off ebay.
 

Rand a. Thor

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Oct 31, 2017
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This is a market wide shift, not exclusive to Apple. Mobile yechnology has reached a point where a 300 or even a 200$/€ device is more than enough for the general consumer to keep for more than 2 years. The faster companies start treating the devices and market more like a long term affair not too dissimilar to tradition console cycles and even television hardware, the easier and smoother the transition and understanding from investors will go. With the current market and reliance on short term gains, the stock market will tank and fast if its not addressed.
 

Dingens

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Oct 26, 2017
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Hanging on for 39 months is still insanely wasteful given how much energy and resources it takes to build these things. Especially in times of climate change there's no justification.
 

Spine Crawler

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Oct 27, 2017
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wow what a different narrative from last year when everybody was saying that smartphones are now as important as cars in terms of everyday use so people would pay more gladly.

the reality is that apple overpriced this year and gets punished for it. they will get out a new product this year adjust and probably have 5 G support and people will buy the phones again. plus apple has a decent diversification. they have their macbooks and imacs that seem to gain marketshare in an overall shrinking pc market and they now dominate the tablet market. also they have established a very good new line with airpods and apple watches.

on top of that they swim in money. i think they will do fine. people should really check out how much money they make turnover and profitwise per quarter its unreal
 
Dec 2, 2017
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I still have my SE and I don't plan on upgrading anytime soon unless they bring back Touch ID or offer a successor to the SE. I neither want nor need a huge phone.
 

navii

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Oct 28, 2017
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I rather spend the money I save not having an iphone on something else. my $250 xiaomi works just great thank you very much.
 

Tedmilk

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Nov 13, 2017
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Having led the way with the iPhone, Apple has had a head start on other manufacturers, and with a premium product to boot. Now however the other manufacturers are pretty much all caught up and Apple doesn't really have anything they can do to justify the extra cost of their phone over a competitor's.

I've been sticking with iPhone due to iOS but if these prices don't come down it's only a matter of time until people like me go elsewhere. I had to do this with their laptops as eventually I just couldn't justify the price point anymore (admittedly, I was using my macbook pro as a windows machine, but still).
 

Spine Crawler

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Oct 27, 2017
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This is a market wide shift, not exclusive to Apple. Mobile yechnology has reached a point where a 300 or even a 200$/€ device is more than enough for the general consumer to keep for more than 2 years. The faster companies start treating the devices and market more like a long term affair not too dissimilar to tradition console cycles and even television hardware, the easier and smoother the transition and understanding from investors will go. With the current market and reliance on short term gains, the stock market will tank and fast if its not addressed.
I think 5G will be the next shift. The leap in speed sounds incredible
 

Zapperino

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Oct 28, 2017
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People: "we are tired of upgrading dying phones every year! Give us something that lasts"
Phone manufacturers: "ok"
People:"kthanks, we will now cease buying phones every year"
PM: ":o"
 

TheMadTitan

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think 5G will be the next shift. The leap in speed sounds incredible
5G will be more beneficial in things being connected everywhere than it it will be about data speeds, in my opinion. It's all short wavelengths so they're going to have to dump money into pumping relays everywhere. We'll get faster than LTE speeds for sure, but I don't think it'll be the jump people expect.
 

LeleSocho

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Dec 3, 2017
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The only real problem i have with iPhone is that Apple priced them out of my budget, i could justify the ~600€ they asked a few years ago, i could *somehow* justify the ~700€ the asked up until recently but when you start asking +850€ for the chump model that has none of the good features than the ~1000€ models has then you are out for me.
I now have an iPhone 8 that i bought a couple of months after release for 200€ less than msrp in a grey area market because i could not justify the initial asking price but i swore that this was going to be my last iPhone.
It doesn't have the bokeh effect that i really like and in general after this trip i took i noticed that the camera is very shabby in many many occasions.

Next time if i'm going to spend a big sum of money it's going to be on an Android device that is at least full fledged.
 

linkboy

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Oct 26, 2017
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My next phone will be a Note 9, but I'm going to wait until it's successor releases to get it.

Until that point, I'm sticking with my Note 8.

By then the 9 will have dropped in price and it has two features I want, Band 71 for T-Mobile and the better battery.
 
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sir_crocodile

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Oct 25, 2017
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Honestly speaking if the battery hadn't gotten bad, I'd still be using my late 2013 Sony Xperia Z1. Phones got "good enough" for me years ago.

I will never again spend more then £300 for a phone, unless there's a gamechanging new feature. And there isn't any such thing on the horizon as far as I can see.
 
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Honestly speaking if the battery hadn't gotten bad, I'd still be using my late 2013 Sony Xperia Z1. Phones got "good enough" for me years ago.

I will never again spend more then £300 for a phone, unless there's a gamechanging new feature. And there isn't any such thing on the horizon as far as I can see.
I found the z5 compact experience terrible in 2018. Couldn't imagine a Z1 lol.
 

Taylo207

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I just upgraded yesterday from a 5S ive had for over 3 years to a 6S, I just don't feel any need to have a brand new model, the improvements are so incremental these days there's just no real justification.