Are the Warhammer 40k Adepta Sororitas/Sisters of Battle one of the best female warrior representation in fantasy games? (IMAGE HEAVY)

[NocheToledana]

The question is pretty straightforward: are the Nuns with Guns of Warhammer 40.000 on of the coolest and most respectful representation of female warriors in fantasy games/entertainment media?

I think they are one of the few non sexualised female characters of this sort. i'll leave some official artwork and miniatures:

What's ERA opinion?

 

[Omnipotent]

I don't know if you can consider boob armor "non sexualized", but yeah they're pretty awesome

 

[Redcrayon]

I think they are still sexualised given that they have form-fitting power armour with boobplates, corsets and heels compared to all other troops where stronger armour tends to be bulky. However, what is cool is that their storylines don’t revel it in at all. They are just as dedicated, devoted, terrifying and twisted by the Imperium as everyone else.

40K lore note- this is effectively the army of the militarised state-church of a totalitarian dying empire, the Imperium, which has been collapsing over 10,000 years, rotting from within and attacked from without. The whole civilisation is a death cult (hence all the skulls) obsessed with its lost emperor 10k years previously. Following a heretical schism, the church was told it could no longer have ‘men under arms’. Someone spotted the obvious loophole, but, being bound by dogma, it was enshrined as a mandate. and so the Adepta Sororitas was created.

 

[echoshifting]

I think they are still sexualised given that they have form-fitting power armour with boobplates and heels compared to all other troops where stronger armour tends to be bulky. However, what is cool is that their storylines don’t revel it in at all. They are just as dedicated, devoted, terrifying and twisted by the Imperium as everyone else.

40K lore note- this is effectively the army of a militarised imperial church of a totalitarian dying empire, a death cult obsessed with its lost emperor 10k years previously. Following a heretical schism, was told it could no longer have ‘men under arms’. Someone spotted the loophole and so the Adepta Sororitas was created.

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Yeah, I think I agree with all of this, though I'll also throw in that I think it sucks one of the order's main leaders is a dude.

 

[Temp_User]

They are cool and all but I would say that the Warhammer 40k universe still needs more female representation. Being the military division of the imperial church afaik is the only in-universe niche that allows women to wear powered armor.

 

[FF Seraphim]

They are badass but they are also part of the Imperium of Man and nothing truly good comes from there. I believe if a sister somehow betrays the Order they are put into an iron casket war machine where they can never die but must go through unending torment or pain and war for almost forever.

 

[Redcrayon]

Yeah, I think I agree with all of this, though I'll also throw in that I think it sucks one of the order's main leaders is a dude.

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I think they are trying to correct this with the upcoming codex, where their Abbess is now a High Lord of Terra, and gets to stomp around in a battlesuit because, well, 40K :D

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/04/warhammer-fest-online-day-2-warhammer-40000/

It’s true that 40K and GW in general still has a long way to go, often leaning towards female-only troop types, units and factions rooted in lore 20-30 years old. When they were selling small numbers of minis to teenage boys in the 80s, one of their directors claimed female kits didn’t sell, and so they weren’t part of many lines at the time they were locking in the mini ranges. Really they need to bite the bullet and start making mixed units, especially when a) the imperium doesn’t care who holds a lasgun as long as they are pointing it the right way, and b) the model kits aren’t interchangeable ‘head/body/legs/arms’ any more, they lean towards more intricate, specific sculpts cast in ways to make recasting them difficult for pirates. So there’s a huge opportunity there for them to make the main human army in 40K, the Imperial Guard a mix. Especially when the biggest novel series, the Ghosts and Ciaphas Cain, both feature Guard regiments with mixed units. Why? Because it’s obviously more interesting, let alone dodging the weirdness of only men being represented.

 

[Sheentak]

I feel like the only reason they have boob armor is because the art has to match the minis. Without boob armor you wouldn't be able to tell the minis gender.
It's common for people to sculpt boob armor on there fanon space marine chapter minis or imperial guard so they present as female. Without you can't tell the gender of minis on the tabletop.

Turn any mini female presenting by using green stuff to create breasts.

 

[echoshifting]

I think they are trying to correct this with the upcoming codex, where their Abbess is now a High Lord of Terra, and gets to stomp around in a battlesuit because, well, 40K :D

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/04/warhammer-fest-online-day-2-warhammer-40000/

It’s true that 40K and GW in general still has a long way to go, often leaning towards female-only troop types, units and factions rooted in lore 20-30 years old (as presumably its easier to make the model kits that way). Really they need to bite the bullet and start making mixed units, especially when a) the imperium doesn’t care who holds a lasgun as long as they are pointing it the right way, and b) the model kits aren’t interchangeable ‘head/body/legs/arms’ any more, they lean towards more intricate, specific sculpts cast in ways to make recasting them difficult for pirates. So there’s a huge opportunity there for them to make the main human army in 40K, the imperial guard a mix.

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These topics are always dangerous. That model is gorgeous, I would love to paint that.

 

[Redcrayon]

I feel like the only reason they have boob armor is because the art has to match the minis. Without boob armor you wouldn't be able to tell the minis gender.
It's common for people to sculpt boob armor on there fanon space marine chapter minis or imperial guard so they present as female. Without you can't tell the gender of minis on the tabletop.

Turn any mini female presenting by using green stuff to create breasts.

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It’s not that at all. All the minis follow concept art, and like a lot of 40K stuff, they follow how they were drawn by John Blanche in the 90s, who originally leaned hard into stuff like the heels and corsets as well as his usual weird cyber stuff, the cherubs etc, and even their classic red/black colour scheme.
This is from the first codex art in 1997:

Adepta Sororitas | WARHAMMER ART

This classic rendition of a Sister of Battle will invoke many memories from those gamers a bit longer in the tooth. This image originally featured as the cover for the first edition Sisters of Battle codex. Artist - John Blanche Released - 1997

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[Doukou]

I mean like their aesthetic butI really dislike one sex factions and would prefer if they didn’t exist. That said Sisters aren’t really the main problem over the tons of male only
I would never understand after all the retcons in Warhammer, Space Marines being all male was somehow infallible.

 

[Lausebub]

The minis look cool, but they are still based on the sexualized 90s design. Also is there some bs explanation why they are all white? I guess you can decide yourself what skin color your army has, but are there any non white characters in the promo material?

I mean like their aesthetic butI really dislike one sex factions and would prefer if they didn’t exist. That said Sisters aren’t really the main problem over the tons of male only

I would never understand after all the retcons in Warhammer, Space Marines being all male was somehow infallible.

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It would also be so easy. Space Marine armor is so thick, nobody can tell if it's a woman under there. They would just need to release some new female heads and you can make your Marines whatever gender you want. But it's clear they won't do it, since the fanbase would go insane because of wokism and cancel culture bla bla bla. The thing we will probably get is woman in the imperial guard, when they get a redesign, since those are actually in the lore and also easy to add.

 

[Fatoy]

These topics are always dangerous. That model is gorgeous, I would love to paint that.

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I haven't looked at the Warhammer / GW site in years. After following that link, at least £1,000 tried to fly out of my wallet.

 

[Sheev]

The minis look cool, but they are still based on the sexualized 90s design. Also is there some bs explanation why they are all white? I guess you can decide yourself what skin color your army has, but are there any non white characters in the promo material?

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I think the newer Sisters of Battle promotional materials have non-white units featured, at least the way they're painted in official images.

 

[Kemono]

I mean like their aesthetic butI really dislike one sex factions and would prefer if they didn’t exist. That said Sisters aren’t really the main problem over the tons of male only
I would never understand after all the retcons in Warhammer, Space Marines being all male was somehow infallible.

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Especially as they've introduced kind of beefed up Space Marines (Primaris) they could've introduced females without any big problem.

 

[Redcrayon]

The minis look cool, but they are still based on the sexualized 90s design. Also is there some bs explanation why they are all white? I guess you can decide yourself what skin color your army has, but are there any non white characters in the promo material?



It would also be so easy. Space Marine armor is so thick, nobody can tell if it's a woman under there. They would just need to release some new female heads and you can make your Marines whatever gender you want. But it's clear they won't do it, since the fanbase would go insane because of wokism and cancel culture bla bla bla. The thing we will probably get is woman in the imperial guard, when they get a redesign, since those are actually in the lore and also easy to add.

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The upcoming anthology, ‘book of martyrs’, has a Black sister as the lead art, and they paint the studio army with way more diversity now, but it’s true the majority is very white.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/blacklibrarycomingsoon/

 

[Sadire]

Imagine being zealous enough to carry a chandelier on your back.

C'mon gal, there's easier to carry sources of light!

I lean more towards Howling Banshees, dig the masks!

 

[Lausebub]

I think the newer Sisters of Battle promotional materials have non-white units featured, at least the way they're painted in official images.

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That's good to hear. Went trough all the models and found some.

 

[FF Seraphim]

Especially as they've introduced kind of beefed up Space Marines (Primaris) they could've introduced females without any big problem.

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Not only that but there are two lost Primarchs in the lore that I believe haven't been found or even given a gender. Can easily find them and have them be female. Boom! Female space marines!

 

[WereSalamander]

40k is a messed up universe but outside of the glaring one-sex organizations like sisters of battle and space marines, the Imperium of Man seems fairly egalitarian in terms of sex. You have women as governors, imperial guard and navy officers, Mechanicus magos, even inquisitors.

 

[IDreamOfHime]

I dig the aesthetic. Gears of War meets Spanish Inquisition.

 

[Timelord19]

40k is a messed up universe but outside of the glaring one-sex organizations like sisters of battle and space marines, the Imperium of Man seems fairly egalitarian in terms of sex. You have women as governors, imperial guard and navy officers, Mechanicus magos, even inquisitors.

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In the grim darkness of the far future, everyone can be a fascist.

We need more xenos miniatures please.

 

[i like big butts]

That's good to hear. Went trough all the models and found some.

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There’s generally been a much better spread of skin tone amongst human factions in recent times because it honestly makes sense. Humanity is incredibly diverse.

In the case of the Sisters being quite homogeneous, the “default” covenant is the Order of Our Martyred Lady and they all have white hair because they’re basically cosplaying for symbolic reasons. But they are incorporating more diverse skin tones thankfully because white hair doesn’t mean you also have to be white.

It’s sort of why Space Marines will always be painted as Ultramarines because, well, that’s Games Workshop’s default scheme. The homogenous nature of their studio paint jobs just more glaring with Sisters because of the hair.

 

[SilentPanda]

They are badass but they are also part of the Imperium of Man and nothing truly good comes from there. I believe if a sister somehow betrays the Order they are put into an iron casket war machine where they can never die but must go through unending torment or pain and war for almost forever.

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Did a search, and it is something call...Pentitent Engine, the model and art is...*sigh*

Penitent Engine

"Only in death, their's or the enemy's, can forgiveness finally be earned." Ecclesiarchy Priest A Penitent Engine is a large, bipedal combat walker used by the Ecclesiarchy as a form of punishment for those Heretics who have repented their sins against the God-Emperor. Penitent Engines are also...

warhammer40k.fandom.com

 

[Micerider]

I dig the aesthetic. Gears of War meets Spanish Inquisition.

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Nobody expects it.

(I like them, well, aside being religious zealots of a shitty facist empire in an even more shitty universe, but that's the charm of W40k : everything is crap or will soon turn to crap even with glimmers of hope and some good deeds)

 

[i like big butts]

Did a search, and it is something call...Pentitent Engine, the model and art is...*sigh*

Penitent Engine

"Only in death, their's or the enemy's, can forgiveness finally be earned." Ecclesiarchy Priest A Penitent Engine is a large, bipedal combat walker used by the Ecclesiarchy as a form of punishment for those Heretics who have repented their sins against the God-Emperor. Penitent Engines are also...

warhammer40k.fandom.com

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They’ve actually corrected this in the kits from memory.

The Engines are male only now and are for convicts.

The Sisters get jammed into Mortifiers, which don’t go this naked tits route but is still big on the whole torture aspect like the Engines.

There’s problems with Games Workshop but to their credit, they’re pretty aware of the issues that don’t really fly in the 21st century.

 

[Redcrayon]

Not only that but there are two lost Primarchs in the lore that I believe haven't been found or even given a gender. Can easily find them and have them be female. Boom! Female space marines!

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I think the problem with a lot of Warhammer stuff around the sisters and marines is that fragments of lore made to support model ranges they wanted to sell, or were throwaway fluff to fill out a page, are held up as gospel as time goes by, both by the studio and customers. The ‘marines are male’ goes back to the company head thinking Star Wars only sells to boys in the mid 80s, back when GW was a tiny company making licensed minis for RPGs. The Sororitas goes back to one paragraph about the central conceit of ‘no men under arms’ and some John Blanche art in early 40K background books, that was then expanded out into a full range in 1997. In the same way, you’ve got various historically problematic units across their games where the female units tend to wear less clothes, be in fetish gear or both. Made in the 80s/90s to sell to teenage boys (everything from witch elves to sisters Repentia) that exist in the lore and they won’t ditch as they don’t want to make anyone’s models no longer valid, but they won’t update them and move away from that ‘must be half-naked’ element either. There’s no reason why sisters Repentia are still only wearing a vest and shorts while swinging a giant chainsaw around, or why various Dark Eldar kits are the same, other than a devotion to the late 90s ranges when at the time it was common for female melee units to wear very little. Sometimes I feel they stick to past conceits they really should abandon, but it’s true they are making steps forward in terms of diversity and inclusivity too.

That penitent engine kit/art from 24 years ago did get updated though- the female build of the kit is this now. I still don’t think it’s great.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Adepta-Sororitas-Mortifier-2020

 

[i like big butts]

The Sisters walkers are all incredibly goofy and a bit on the nose. From a practical standpoint they literally don’t work, except for maybe the Iron Maiden Mortifier.

I get they’re into the whole Spanish Inquisition torture aspect. It’s still incredibly stupid.

 

[Greigor the FellHand]

Did a search, and it is something call...Pentitent Engine, the model and art is...*sigh*

Penitent Engine

"Only in death, their's or the enemy's, can forgiveness finally be earned." Ecclesiarchy Priest A Penitent Engine is a large, bipedal combat walker used by the Ecclesiarchy as a form of punishment for those Heretics who have repented their sins against the God-Emperor. Penitent Engines are also...

warhammer40k.fandom.com

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Updated model is this

Even repentias improved there designs

Models are still sexualized, bit have made massive improvements and are no longer/as egregious as other companies designs

 

[Mindwipe]

Not only that but there are two lost Primarchs in the lore that I believe haven't been found or even given a gender. Can easily find them and have them be female. Boom! Female space marines!

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They have been gendered repeatedly tbh. Even fairly recently.

If GW were going to do it Primaris was probably the best fluff opportunity they were going to have.

 

[Plastic Shark]

On one hand they still retain the silly booby armor and corset design from the old days.

On the other hand these are some of the greatest depiction of religious terror I have ever seen. The army is incredibly intimidating in thier church militant aesthetic.

 

[NocheToledana]

Did a search, and it is something call...Pentitent Engine, the model and art is...*sigh*

Penitent Engine

"Only in death, their's or the enemy's, can forgiveness finally be earned." Ecclesiarchy Priest A Penitent Engine is a large, bipedal combat walker used by the Ecclesiarchy as a form of punishment for those Heretics who have repented their sins against the God-Emperor. Penitent Engines are also...

warhammer40k.fandom.com

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Penintent Engines are not like that. That's probably an old model or a fan customization. Current penintent engines look like this:

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120108035_PenitentEngines01.jpg

 

[Mindwipe]

Penintent Engines are not like that. That's probably an old model or a fan customization. Current penintent engines look like this:

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120108035_PenitentEngines01.jpg

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That was the official model, it had two builds, one male and one female. But as you say, it's the old one. And was awful.

 

[Candescence]

The heels and corsets are dumb, sure, but the boob armor actually doesn't bother me as much as it would've before I watched Shadiversity's videos on the subject. Contrary to popular belief, boob armor is perhaps only slightly less practical than traditional male armor (the curvature would've still provided a protective shape since historical breastplates were domed for exactly that reason anyway), and such armor might've actually been seen historically if female fighters were significantly more prolific in the medieval era, because medieval armor was explicitly designed around the male form (sometimes to rather blatant extents, as shown by codpieces) and some sets of armor were more fashionable than explicitly practical.

But I do like that they eschew traditional attractiveness and have notably older women among their ranks who aren't explicitly touched up to look pretty.

 

[Heroicpiglet]

The 40k universe usually does not care about your earthly needs, only how you can contribute to the massive wars around the Milky Way.

 

[SillyEskimo]

Eldar & dark eldar have a ton of females, including major characters in the game/lore.

I’ve always enjoyed the lore around Sisters of Slilence.

Age of Sigmar is where you really get more into huge models and female armies. Women are a major part of many armies and there are a ton of female characters.

But yes, the new line of SoB are spectacular. The asthetic of warriror nuns immediately strikes the grimdark tone of 40k pretty much perfectly. At a glance they look religious, zealous, and capable of going toe to toe with the ridiculously powerful enemies in the 40k universe. They are high on my list of armies to collect and paint someday.

 

[Keasar]

I am a bit biased but I think the Imperial Guard (the few times you see them) are better.

In the Guard, everyone is an equal. Everyone dies just as well for The Emperor.

Games Workshop just have to get off their asses and start making mixed gender battalions for the miniature game.

 

[Tacitus]

I think they are still sexualised given that they have form-fitting power armour with boobplates and heels compared to all other troops where stronger armour tends to be bulky.

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They're only wearing Power Armour. You can get some pretty wild designs with it. And I think the new models don't have heels outside of some specific models, one of which is modelled after an old piece of art.

And that's without going to the endless amount of sculpted abs and/or pecs.

They are cool and all but I would say that the Warhammer 40k universe still needs more female representation. Being the military division of the imperial church afaik is the only in-universe niche that allows women to wear powered armor.

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There's also the Sisters of Silence that's outfitted in power armour. For the rest of the humanity, it's whoever can afford to get power armour - powerful Inquisitors are likely to have a suit.

 

[Redcrayon]

They're only wearing Power Armour. You can get some pretty wild designs with it. And I think the new models don't have heels outside of some specific models, one of which is modelled after an old piece of art.

And that's without going to the endless amount of sculpted abs and/or pecs.



There's also the Sisters of Silence that's outfitted in power armour. For the rest of the humanity, it's whoever can afford to get power armour - powerful Inquisitors are likely to have a suit.

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There’s a difference between an entire faction of women outfitted in corsets and form-fitting power armour, based on 1990s artwork locking in their aesthetic, and the muscled cuirasses of Blood Angel special characters when part of their schtick is that they are all artists, artisans and sculptors, echoing the masters of the renaissance. The entire marine line of dozens of units has blocky power armour outside of those few special individuals from one sub-faction, whereas the Sororitas armour is wafer-thin across the whole line (apart from where they don’t get to wear armour at all) in comparison for obvious reasons. I like the minis, but it’s not really comparable.

 

[Tacitus]

There’s a difference between an entire faction of women outfitted in corsets and form-fitting power armour, based on 1990s artwork, and the muscled cuirasses of Blood Angel special characters when part of their schtick is that they are all artists, artisans and sculptors, echoing the masters of the renaissance.

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There is, I was just saying that all things considered, power armour isn't that heavy and can have pretty tight sculpts. Especially when they're only regular humans and aren't gene-bulked to be able to wear the massive suits that Astartes have.

 

[Kyari]

When are we going to get those female astra militarum though :(

 

[Redcrayon]

When are we going to get those female astra militarum though :(

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What I find weird is that the most popular IG novel series (Gaunts Ghosts, Ciaphas Cain) feature mixed regiments, for the obvious reasons of it making better stories about a more diverse cast. And both of those series have been running for 20+ years (I think) already. So I wonder why the games developers writing the army books and artists doing concept art and miniature designers are so far behind the writers that *arent* employed directly by the GW studio, at this point by decades. And all I can think is that the writers don’t care about selling model kits (unless employed to do a tie-in book for a particular release obviously), but there’s still been a block in GW management about their customers only wanting male minis, and female ones only if sexualised, until very recently. Hopefully there’s signs that’s starting to change.

 

[i like big butts]

I think lore-wise the Sisters are meant to use a cut-down version of power armour compared to Space Marines, or at least some of the RPGs seem to model this. I'm not that bothered that their power armour is sleeker and more dainty than the stuff designed for transhuman manchildren the size of Shaq who have been brainwashed and trained to specifically tackle the most dangerous and specialised engagements. For humans, ultimately its just a ceramite suit of armour with extra electronics, environmental sealing and some strength assistance built in to help handle bigger guns.

When are we going to get those female astra militarum though :(

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Same time they bother to refresh the entire lineup instead of making Guard players purchase 30 year old kits. You can even look at the Games Workshop paint jobs for the Catachan Jungle Fighters plastic box set and tell that they're really fucking old.

This era of painting doesn't exist anymore for Games Workshop display models because its just...bad.

 

[Tacitus]

What I find weird is that the most popular IG novel series (Gaunts Ghosts, Ciaphas Cain) feature mixed regiments, for the obvious reasons of it making better stories about a more diverse cast. And both of those series have been running for 20+ years (I think) already. So I wonder why the games developers writing the army books and artists doing concept art and miniature designers are so far behind the writers that *arent* employed directly by the GW studio, at this point by decades.

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They are doing concept art and the occasional single miniature. But they'd have to stop releasing Primaris Lieutenants to make more diverse sculpts for other armies. The IG has kits older than some of the posters here.

 

[Redcrayon]

They are doing concept art and the occasional single miniature. But they'd have to stop releasing Primaris Lieutenants to make more diverse sculpts for other armies. The IG has kits older than some of the posters here.

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That’s true, I remember the Leman Russ kit from when I was a teenager (I’m in my 40s now) and some of the Eldar line is older than that.

 

[Silvergun-Blue]

You can find some cool artwork in r/imaginarywarhammer

 

[Tacitus]

That’s true, I remember the Leman Russ kit from when I was a teenager (I’m in my 40s now) and some of the Eldar line is older than that.

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I think the best way to go about it is releasing an upgrade kit that comes with new head options (and work those heads into the main kits). It'd work for the majority of the regiments since the Guard doesn't usually wear anything form fitting (Catachans going to war in t-shirts notwithstanding...).

 

[Uzzy]

They've come a long way from getting killed off to make the Grey Knights look a bit more awesome at least. I bought some of the plastic models last year along with blue, pink and white paint. Wonder if anyone will twig when I play them.

I think they are still sexualised given that they have form-fitting power armour with boobplates and heels compared to all other troops where stronger armour tends to be bulky. However, what is cool is that their storylines don’t revel it in at all. They are just as dedicated, devoted, terrifying and twisted by the Imperium as everyone else.

40K lore note- this is effectively the army of the militarised state-church of a totalitarian dying empire, the Imperium, which has been collapsing over 10,000 years, rotting from within and attacked from without. The whole civilisation is a death cult (hence all the skulls) obsessed with its lost emperor 10k years previously. Following a heretical schism, the church was told it could no longer have ‘men under arms’. Someone spotted the obvious loophole, but, being bound by dogma, it was enshrined as a mandate. and so the Adepta Sororitas was created.

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Fucking love the 40k lore sometimes.

 

[Greigor the FellHand]

There’s a difference between an entire faction of women outfitted in corsets and form-fitting power armour, based on 1990s artwork locking in their aesthetic, and the muscled cuirasses of Blood Angel special characters when part of their schtick is that they are all artists, artisans and sculptors, echoing the masters of the renaissance. The entire marine line of dozens of units has blocky power armour outside of those few special individuals from one sub-faction, whereas the Sororitas armour is wafer-thin across the whole line (apart from where they don’t get to wear armour at all) in comparison for obvious reasons. I like the minis, but it’s not really comparable.

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Agreed.

And as the sisters line evolves, they are getting these soon

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/04/warhammer-fest-online-day-2-warhammer-40000/

 

[f0rk]

Not only that but there are two lost Primarchs in the lore that I believe haven't been found or even given a gender. Can easily find them and have them be female. Boom! Female space marines!

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Even if they hadn't been gendered as brothers already, having the only female Primarchs be deleted from history for unknown reasons seems almost more problematic than not having any at all.