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Are you concerned about being problematic or accidentally consuming problematic media?

  • Yes

    Votes: 59 8.8%
  • No

    Votes: 487 72.4%
  • Sometimes / maybe

    Votes: 127 18.9%

  • Total voters
    673

golguin

Member
Oct 29, 2017
3,757
I've noticed a trend of people posting about things that they thought was safe only to later find out that the content was "problematic" or the creators themselves were "problematic".

I feel that I generally live a normal life, but I've never encountered any situation that's had me make a judgement call on potential "problematic" factors.

Am I out of the loop? Is my living situation unique in my ability to avoid it? Do you encounter it?
 

TaySan

SayTan
Member
Dec 10, 2018
31,454
Tulsa, Oklahoma
Yes i'm not up to date on actors and musicians personal lives so sometimes i have no idea if i'm supporting something that is problematic. I try my best to keep myself on alert especially with black metal music.
 

zeitgeist

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,060
I am very concerned about being perceived as problematic. I don't think I have ever done anything problematic that upset someone but I am not concerned about consuming problematic media.
 

Fat4all

Woke up, got a money tag, swears a lot
Member
Oct 25, 2017
92,906
here
i wear a tshirt that says "no fatties" but it's ironic because im fat
 

nsilvias

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,790
media: i honestly don't care as long its not reprehensible.

concerned about being problematic: no, but i am concerned about others to an extent.
 

EntelechyFuff

Saw the truth behind the copied door
Member
Nov 19, 2019
10,222
I pay more attention to what I consume than what I do, if that makes sense.

The people I interact with on a day-to-day basis all have unique perspectives so I try to respect their needs as and when they surface, but have found that trying to presume and accommodate their attitudes in advance to be uh...problematic (for lack of a better term) in itself.

OTOH, I am a big believer that the media we consume affects us in ways large and subtle. For that reason I'm constantly interrogating myself about the things I like, why I like them, whether I'm internalizing "bad" stuff and how I can correct when that happens. It sounds like a pain I'm sure but it's been a super enlightening exercise for me.
 

Pelao

Banned
Jan 7, 2020
196
Chile
Not really, there isn't such a thing as a cancel culture in my country yet and banter is so common that I just don't really care too much about slipping and saying something "problematic" from time to time.
I try my best to not be a jerk, though.
 
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Deleted member 62561

Dec 31, 2019
539
if people cared trump wouldn't be president
 

molnizzle

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
17,695
I have enough things to worry about in my own life. If somebody points something out that makes them uncomfortable, I'll try to appease them, but I don't have the time or energy to stay ahead of it. Not something I think about.
 

Faenix1

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,114
Canada
Ill get shit for it but.. I dont really, well, care. I dont concern myself with who is "problematic" or not.
 

GamerJM

Member
Nov 8, 2017
15,640
Being problematic in my day to day interactions - Yes

Consuming problematic media - No because most media, especially media not made in the last 10-20 years, is going to be problematic to some degree. I do try not to financially support creators who are doing obviously heinous shit though.
 

MrMegaPhoenix

Member
Oct 27, 2017
366
No to both. With media, every thing has potential to offend somebody, so watch what you want.

I'm social interactions, you be yourself and if you unintentionally offend someone, just apologise. Most people will be happy with that.
 

RedMercury

Blue Venus
Member
Dec 24, 2017
17,661
I try to support the most things I can that fit within my worldview. I try to be considerate.
 

Nida

Member
Aug 31, 2019
11,200
Everett, Washington
You dont know until someone approaches you to tell you. Otherwise, they are going to be talking about your problematic behavior when you are not around.
True, but I work from home, and rarely leave the house.

Going back to school soon, so then it will be on my mind. But not to the extent where people freak out and say PC culture has gone mad. I think it's pretty easy not to act that way.
 

The Albatross

Member
Oct 25, 2017
39,038
That failed 2pt conversion bit me in my picks league. Would have hit a nice parlay with Seahawks covering 3.5

Lol wrong thread

But whatever my gambling is problematic.

I'm not usually a person who says/does problematic things and I'm very careful to be inclusive and use the right words. If I mess up and someone let's me know I'd also rather eat shit than try to be righteous about it publicly.

As for media I consume... I don't like actively avoid some media over others. Like I watched the last Chappel special even knowing that some people were upset with his transgender bit, which I didn't think was funny and don't defend, but i watched the special going in knowing some people were upset by it. Still I wanted to judge it for myself and not have other people make up my mind especially for w comedian who I used to really like when I was younger.

I'm not really into movies so I don't have a blacklist or anything because I just don't pay attention to who is in a movie or which movies I'm not supposed to see.

Music wise I'm safe. Although i listen to a lot of classical and it's a safe bet most of those guys were up to no good 500 years ago.
 
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Mar 3, 2019
1,831
No, I mean just use common sense. Aka treat everyone with respect, don't be racist, etc. I don't see media as problematic unless we're talking KKK speeches and the like. Media is an art form that explores all avenues of the human condition so it's bound to show ugly parts of society, and we shouldn't skirt away from it or shun it because of sensibilities but learn from it and be better people
 

Resetta Stone

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,516
Nothing, Arizona
Yes i'm not up to date on actors and musicians personal lives so sometimes i have no idea if i'm supporting something that is problematic. I try my best to keep myself on alert especially with black metal music.

Funny story about that. Friend of mine found an obscure black metal band and thought it'd be cool to listen to. Some time later, he looked them up and found out they were a NSBM band. He wasn't happy about it, lol.

Honestly, I don't concern myself on what can be construed as problematic in the abstract sense with media. Otherwise, you end up sucking the joy out of everything you watch, read, listen to.
 

Daysean

Member
Nov 15, 2017
7,392
I don't worry about that shit at all
I really don't care enough
But if my friends tell me whats up then I'll def avoid shit
Like I remember people gushing all about that hazbin hotel short, and when i told my friend about it, she told me so much shit about the creator
I can't be fucking expected to know everything at all times about people
 

Doomsayer

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,621
No, don't be a prick to people is a pretty good motto to live by.

You can consume problematic media and not be a giant piece of shit, as well.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,690
Nahh. I don't typically stop watching or listening to something because a celebrity is a douchebag anymore than I do background checks on cashiers or service workers in day to day living. People are gonna be disappointing in one way or another. Being African-American I'm used to having to look the other way to an extent anyway. We have holidays for slave owners and shit here. Actors in old Hollywood movies were probably racist af too. Mel Gibson for example, even after his racist voice mail I could never make myself stop like Martin Riggs in the original Lethal Weapon. Even though I'm black. That character has nothing to do with Gibson's personal views or conspiracy theories. But I would never run up to Gibson for a picture or an autograph or anything like that. There are special cases though like music. I could never listen to an R.Kelly song without thinking that he's singing about underage girls.
 

TaySan

SayTan
Member
Dec 10, 2018
31,454
Tulsa, Oklahoma
Funny story about that. Friend of mine found an obscure black metal band and thought it'd be cool to listen to. Some time later, he looked them up and found out they were a NSBM band. He wasn't happy about it, lol.

Honestly, I don't concern myself on what can be construed as problematic in the abstract sense with media. Otherwise, you end up sucking the joy out of everything you watch, read, listen to.
It so disappointing when you find out some great bands end up being a bunch of Nazis, but thankfully there is tons of great alternatives.

I try my best to be reasonable and accommodate when possible, but you can't be perfect 100% of the time.
 

Poimandres

Member
Oct 26, 2017
6,872
I try to avoid behaving in a problematic way. Like I try to be aware of gender, race, world issues etc but I want to know if I say something insensitive or incorrect.

But, I also try not to be too judgemental and don't take life too seriously. People rarely offend me personally, but I'll stick up for friends and others. Entertainment? It's all basically fair game for me, knowing everyone has their own lines for what is/isn't in good taste.
 
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golguin

Member
Oct 29, 2017
3,757
The only place where I worry about something being "problematic" is here.

What causes that sort of thing? I've seen topics explode with posts about content that I'm not familiar with and I always wonder to myself why they get so many posts if people seem generally unconcerned about "problematic" factors in their daily life.
 

Veelk

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,707
There is a sci-fi book that I found that sounds like everything I want in a good book, but then I had the bad idea of checking the authors twitter page. Well, not exactly a bad idea, since twitter is where I found the book in the first place, but I quickly realized he was a soft-alt right figure or atleast one of those who don't question it.

I found the book in a book store and read about a fifth of it without buying it. It's really good, but knowing about the author has left me on edge and I side eye anything that looks like it might be questionable, like how it depicts it's female characters, even if it necessarily isn't. I'm usually 100% death of the author and seperating artist from the art, and I can still mostly do that here well enough to recognize the quality, but I can't just read and enjoy it like I can with all other books.

I refuse to even name it because I don't want to spread its popularity. If it ever gets popular enough to be a common name around here, I will then read it and let it be known the author's nature as a warning, but until then, I'm keeping it incognito.
 

sphagnum

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
16,058
I try not to do things around people that might be construed as offensive, because it's only polite.

I watch whatever anime and porn and play whatever games I want. I genuinely do not care much about what is in fiction, because I can ignore it or just not purchase it in the first place - I care much more about what occurs in reality.

That's not to say I will watch/read/play anything at all. Like, I certainly wouldn't read The Turner Diaries for enjoyment. But I'm also not going to get too hung up on fan service.
 

Deleted member 17184

User-requested account closure
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
5,240
I've given a lot of thought about it these past few months. Personally, I don't think it's healthy to be concerned all the time. We're humans. We make unintentional mistakes. I think we should be able to recognize those mistakes once/if we make them, and learn lessons from that. That's something entirely different from someone who uses hurtful words knowing what they could mean, for example.

As for consuming problematic media... If I find something super gross or potentially triggering to begin with, I won't consume it. But more importantly, if I do end up consuming something that's problematic, the most important part is to be able to recognize the awful parts, and avoid practicing that kind of behavior. What I don't think is okay is to dismiss problematic content just because you like something.
 

Garble Slew

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,354
Atlanta, Georgia
It's easier to be a decent person whose mindful of those around them than a shitty person so I have no worries about being problematic in my personal life. If I don't know if someone enjoys offensive humor, for instance, they'll never know that I do appreciate that kind of thing.

As far as media goes I have very few issues with consuming problematic content. I have a very low opinion of humanity though so my stance and opinions on this subject shouldn't mean much. That said, while Burzum's first four albums may genuinely enhance my existence I would still have the urge to get in Vikerne's face if I ever met him so it isn't like I don't care that I'm enjoying something made by a piece of shit.
 

Thorn

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
24,446
No. I am aware of Problematic elements in things, but its never really a "concern."
 

JaxJag

Member
Oct 28, 2017
266
I meant to reply to this thread last night. But no, I would go crazy doing background checks on every creator of every piece of entertainment I consume. Sometimes you just can't worry about every little thing, or your life will ultimately become miserable.
 

Apollo

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
8,094
If something is made by somebody who makes me really uncomfortable, or otherwise reflects views that make me uncomfortable, I will often try to avoid it. I can't always know though obviously and sometimes I have to compromise, but it is a concern nonetheless. I'm trans and it's really not fun to get really into something only to later find out that the creator likely wouldn't acknowledge your personhood.
 

8byte

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt-account
Banned
Oct 28, 2017
9,880
Kansas
Literally every one of us is supporting something problematic whether we'd like to admit it or not, just by our continued existence alone.
That's not to say we shouldn't try to make corrections in ourselves, but we shouldn't degrade others for the same things.
 

Arjen

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
2,033
Who decides if something is problematic?
I'll judge a content creator based on my own merits, if I don't like it for whatever reason, i'll stop consuming the content.
I would never let anyone else decide if something is "problematic" (especially not era)
 

Good4Squat

Banned
Nov 2, 2017
3,148
Nah, I can decide for myself what I want to support. I'm not gonna walk around worrying what other people find problematic, that is their business.
 

Irminsul

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,040
Who decides if something is problematic?
I'll judge a content creator based on my own merits, if I don't like it for whatever reason, i'll stop consuming the content.
I would never let anyone else decide if something is "problematic" (especially not era)
Pretty much.

Also, consuming "problematic" media doesn't really say anything about your personality, your beliefs or how you act towards other people, so I'm not sure why they're even in the same poll or thread. Quite a few people on ERA really like to conflate these two things though, so maybe I shouldn't be surprised.
 

LBsquared

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Nov 22, 2019
1,603
Nope. I'll be the judge if something is problematic or not to me.
 

Deleted member 21411

Account closed at user request
Banned
Oct 28, 2017
4,907
Just be empathic, it's really not that hard to just care about people who hurt. Looking at the world through the lens of what you should and shouldn't enjoy doesn't help anyone.

Edit: to be clear I do stop supporting people or material if I find too far against my own sensibilities I just base that off my own feelings rather than living in a bubble. For example Jontron is a guy I never wanna support and his content is based on me personally liking the guy, but dragon quest 11 has a shit head making the music yet because he's not the main creator of the work I have no guilt enjoying that game.
 
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SliceSabre

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,556
I just try to not be an asshole, but I'm not going to pretend like I don't say or do "problematic" things because a ton of shit is if you look at it from a certain way.

I don't give two shits about consuming problematic media. I do it all the time and do not care because I refuse to background check every piece of media I touch.