Anyone that actually bought the administration's line about hangouts visibility is being hugely naive. Anyway this is a disaster either way, no matter what their true intentions were.
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Are you not entertained? Or: let's talk about the restructuring
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I agree with these points completely. It would be a shame to segment this community.
Pretty much. I said it in the announcement thread that it read like gaslighting. I stand by that.
Solution should have been to use keywords in a thread topic to show community threads or even other normal threads that would be related after the last post in a thread kind of like amazon suggestions. Or even hide it behind a mouse click.
Honestly another thing about this that I don't like is now I have to think about where I want to go depending on what I might want to read about. Before it was simple, if it's not gaming specific, then off to EtcetEra. Now we have this odd split which seems fine when you really look at the specifics, but at a glance, yeah I'm not so sure about it. Probably just gonna go back to sticking with Video Games for now until this is sorted out. Call me dumb, but the simplicity of the way it was before is what appealed to me.
Dear admins,
LOOK at the "entertainment" forum.
LOOK at the current state of the etcetera forum.
Is THIS what you wanted out of Resetera? For Off-topic to be split in two and both sections cluttered and made an unreadable mess by a huge number of Official Threads?
Absolutely baffling decision.
You've destroyed half of this forum. Do yourself and everyone else a favor and revert things to the way they were ASAP. Anyone that agreed with this dumbfounding decision honestly does not actually use the forum.
I assume so. It is sad but this website seemingly cannot stand criticism. They'll powertrip through this enormous mistake and that'll be the end of it, just like the current "default" themes.
they'll have to show their colors - it's clear people don't want this change
either they'll revert or make it clear they don't give a shit what posters think and are fine with chaos and the forum devolving into a right wing bent
Now Fat4all is talking like a normal person.
See what you've done ERA admins? For shame.
I don't know how feasible these options realistically are, but a couple of thoughts on possible ways to alleviate the impact:
* Two separate filters. One filter mimics the previous structure, the other the current structure; in other words, which threads appear *where* is solely a user-defined thing. Would presumably need flagging on a per-thread nature?
* Bring back hangouts (*maybe* keep the ETC/Entertainment split) but at the top of the thread list for the general forum you can see five randomly-selected Hangouts that have had activity in the last 24h; few enough that they don't swamp the forum, sufficient that there's a chance one will catch a curious person's eye. Would require code to generate that collection of hangouts. Basically a similar principle to the hangout highlights, but cycling more rapidly.
* Two separate filters. One filter mimics the previous structure, the other the current structure; in other words, which threads appear *where* is solely a user-defined thing. Would presumably need flagging on a per-thread nature?
* Bring back hangouts (*maybe* keep the ETC/Entertainment split) but at the top of the thread list for the general forum you can see five randomly-selected Hangouts that have had activity in the last 24h; few enough that they don't swamp the forum, sufficient that there's a chance one will catch a curious person's eye. Would require code to generate that collection of hangouts. Basically a similar principle to the hangout highlights, but cycling more rapidly.
This sucks. I specifically liked GAF, and now ERA, because of the simplicity of the format. I have zero interest in seeing most community threads, most of the time. I have some interest in looking into community threads a on rare occasion where a related current event occurs. With that in mind, ignoring those threads is not an acceptable solution. If a community thread is having trouble staying active and healthy... then maybe they're legitimately not needed, instead of shoving them in everyone else's face.
This is the one forum out there that doesn't have a clusterfuck of categories where you have to click around all over the place to find a variety of interesting things to read, and have some categories more active than others. I can click on any of the two sub-forums here and they're always active, and always have a smattering of interesting topics to read.
Video Games | Everything Else
All a forum needs. Do not mix in community threads. Do not split Entertainment out into its own category.
This is the one forum out there that doesn't have a clusterfuck of categories where you have to click around all over the place to find a variety of interesting things to read, and have some categories more active than others. I can click on any of the two sub-forums here and they're always active, and always have a smattering of interesting topics to read.
Video Games | Everything Else
All a forum needs. Do not mix in community threads. Do not split Entertainment out into its own category.
I'm confused by this new layout, everything seems in disarray now. I preferred the old format much more. I know I'm just a low ranking member as far as things go around here, but I feel like more of the forum should have been polled about this change, instead of just rushing it out.
I still love you. I own 4 cats but you'll be the only dog I care for.
Video games: 33,436 threads. Phew! Boy I wish I could find communities out of that. Oh, wait...
Hangouts: 707 threads. Good to see this separated out! Easy to sort through. Whoever thought of this sure was smart!
Entertainment: 2,071 threads of a mixed variety of "normal" threads and some communities. Kay. I'll give this a shot. New feature! Neat!
EtcetEra: 28,229 threads. Phew! Boy, I wish I could find communities out of that. I vaguely recall having a system like that before. Why would anyone get rid of that?
Who decided it was a good idea to remove a server feature? And where's that list of Prominent Posters that were allegedly polled for this?
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Hangouts: 707 threads. Good to see this separated out! Easy to sort through. Whoever thought of this sure was smart!
Entertainment: 2,071 threads of a mixed variety of "normal" threads and some communities. Kay. I'll give this a shot. New feature! Neat!
EtcetEra: 28,229 threads. Phew! Boy, I wish I could find communities out of that. I vaguely recall having a system like that before. Why would anyone get rid of that?
Who decided it was a good idea to remove a server feature? And where's that list of Prominent Posters that were allegedly polled for this?
Reminder: Cancel your Clear subscriptions if you have them.
I don't mind a seperate Entertainment section, but yeah mixing in the OTs has turned out to be as much of a mess as I expected.
I think I'll just stick to the Video Games board for now. I can't be bothered trying to navigate the other sections since it's now 50% OTs and 50% everything else.
I think I'll just stick to the Video Games board for now. I can't be bothered trying to navigate the other sections since it's now 50% OTs and 50% everything else.
Major thumbs down for me. This is even worse than I thought it would be. The entertainment and EtcetEra section is nearly unusable because it's completely clogged by the OTs. The site is not usable on mobile without the ability to block the community threads.
I'm hugely in favour of this being totally reverted.
I'm hugely in favour of this being totally reverted.
I'd rather this be reversed, honestly. Maybe y'all could try something like this again, but get more community feedback before implementing it?
i liked that layout, too
but at the same time, i could see myself being talked into a place where a third option could be considered
the key word there being 'talked'
discussion should lead this forum, in my opinion, and the lack of that has been a flaw in this situation in a major way
This fucking sucks. When I browse the forum I want to see news, not a billion OTs which I dont care about. Why not just ask the community? Most are clearly against
Let see this forum has more than 64.000 threads. I image 70% of that from etcetera.
So instead of adding normal feather like any other forums have like emoji thread ignore, some staffs take their time to move ten thousands of threads into 2 separate sub.
So instead of adding normal feather like any other forums have like emoji thread ignore, some staffs take their time to move ten thousands of threads into 2 separate sub.
I just got home from a 12 hour shift and checked in here at Era to see what to make of all of it, with a tiny bit of hope inside that something would have went wrong and the changeover was delayed. Nope. The change happened, and I feel exactly how I thought I would before: I don't like it. The fracturing of EcetEra into two different forums is the main thing that I'm hating.
Hopefully it either goes back to the way it was with two main forums and the EtcEra Hangouts subforum comes back, the EtcEra Hangouts stays gone but Entertainment and EtcetEra merge back into one and we just have the Hangout community OTs mixed in with the old EtcetEra that we're all used to, or the site goes full-on GameFAQs and adds dozens (hundreds even?) of subforums for everything from PS4 and Xbox to Anime to Politics to Films and more. The first option is most-preferable, the second I could live with, and the third one would be god-awful but at least it'd make me laugh a bit.
I'm not looking forward to seeing what the impending 2.0 version of the site winds up being.
Hopefully it either goes back to the way it was with two main forums and the EtcEra Hangouts subforum comes back, the EtcEra Hangouts stays gone but Entertainment and EtcetEra merge back into one and we just have the Hangout community OTs mixed in with the old EtcetEra that we're all used to, or the site goes full-on GameFAQs and adds dozens (hundreds even?) of subforums for everything from PS4 and Xbox to Anime to Politics to Films and more. The first option is most-preferable, the second I could live with, and the third one would be god-awful but at least it'd make me laugh a bit.
I'm not looking forward to seeing what the impending 2.0 version of the site winds up being.
I don't even care about the OT clog. There are already unofficial workarounds to that.
I just hate having to navigate two different boards for non-gaming news. It's a usability inconvenience, and just means I'll stick to gaming instead of gaming and Etc.
Good job, visibility.
I just hate having to navigate two different boards for non-gaming news. It's a usability inconvenience, and just means I'll stick to gaming instead of gaming and Etc.
Good job, visibility.
I don't understand this change at all. Why on earth am I having to wade through official threads for American Sports I have no interest in just to find nuggets of actual threads about entertainment? Surely most of us can agree that entertainment and sports are not synonymous at all? Tell someone you have a section dedicated to entertainment and they would surely think of music, film and TV first and foremost?
The Etc board is a similar clusterfuck. It's basically ruined how I used the board because the stuff I want to read is split between two boards and is being obscured by a million community threads I have no interest in. A mess.
The Etc board is a similar clusterfuck. It's basically ruined how I used the board because the stuff I want to read is split between two boards and is being obscured by a million community threads I have no interest in. A mess.
It was implied in the announcement thread that the "community resettlers" are those who were asked about this. Those people are largely those who were actively involved in the community threads both on this forum and the previous forum. No answer was given as to exactly who was consulted, but this was heavily implied.
I won't go into more detail as this thread is not about the failed feedback thread. I'll say this: it's not that we didn't like the feedback from the thread, but that certain individuals took the thread as an opportunity to lash out against the staff in front of an audience which culminated in a framing of an event that gave the impression that we shutdown a minority community which is nonsense. Our communication in that thread could have been much better, and I apologize for that. That being said: the bits and pieces of valuable feedback are being looked at and incorporated into 2.0.
As for the "redesign disaster": this was always meant as a temporary solution until 2.0 and we always kept the legacy themes available to everybody. To say that we did ignore feedback is wrong as there have been new fixed added since the initial launch version.
Now, I want to get back to this restructuring thing
I can see that.
Of course; I think even if this one started as a troll thread that we can get something valuable out of it, and so far the consensus seems pretty clear to me
We have consulted with community leaders (Prominent Members™) who we see as representatives of our sub-communities about this change and their feedback has been way more positive than in this thread or the announcement one which is why perceived this as a positive change for many. To say that we didn't ask for any input is flat out wrong, but this thread makes it clear that the community wants to be consulted more when it comes to big changes like this one which will be reconsidered.
Let me be clear: the Iraq analogies have been popping up because you made them in the first place, and while I get what you want to express with that analogy, I think it's overly dramatic.
As for the rest of your post: I hear you.
I hear you. I understand that a clean front page is very important to a lot of you and your points make sense
What?
This observation only makes sense if you view entertainment in general as free from politics, which it is not - I even mentioned the LeBron James example and another one would be the NFL shenanigans, stuff like the #OscarsSoWhite controversy or even some #MeToo stories that involve people from the entertainment sector. Politics would have a place in entertainment just as they do in gaming
I'm sick of moving and honestly if it comes to that again, I'm probably just going to end up losing the friends I've made on here and that I've maintained on here from the GAF days through to the move
Unironically the most ignore list addition worthy tier of poster.
"Would you guys be a bit happy with the unwanted and not helpful changes we made by adding an ignore button?????"
TURN IT BACK jesus fucking christ. There was nothing wrong with it all in the first place.
I don't see how this is any different from how it was before, besides the possibility of the separation happening over time
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