Arizona bill would require students say Pledge of Allegiance.

[TaySan]

https://www.abc15.com/news/state/arizona-bill-would-require-students-say-pledge-of-allegiance

Republican Rep. John Fillmore of Apache Junction introduced legislation that would require students to recite the pledge each morning unless a parent excuses them. Along with this, schools would also be required to set aside at least a minute each day for "quiet reflection and moral reasoning."

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Seems unconstitutional to force kids to pledge the allegiance without a parents consent.

 

[Deleted member 401]

So much for the Constitution.

 

[Aine]

"Bow down to our country or get hauled off to jail"? Yep, sounds like America.

 

[Mr. President]

https://www.abc15.com/news/state/arizona-bill-would-require-students-say-pledge-of-allegiance


Seems unconstitutional to force kids to pledge the allegiance without a parents consent.

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Because it is but local state reps don't care, it gets their name in the paper.

 

[Fat4all]

teachers aren't paid enough to care about shit like this

 

[Deleted member 31817]

Y'all Qaeda

 

[UltimateTrainer]

There are quite a few other states that do this and its disappointing they keep making it a state law

 

[TYRANITARR]

LOL.

I'm a teacher, from Texas. I think it's our state law too. You think I'm going to call/report a student for saying the pledge or not standing for the pledge? We already ask all students to stand up, and say the pledge every morning. Like, we WANT them to, but I'm not going out of my way to report a child. Like, I don't care that much, and I promise you other teachers don't as well. We're trying to do a JOB. Our JOB isn't to freaking report cards for not saying the pledge.

Whatever.

 

[Deleted member 25600]

Surely this is a direct contradiction of the 1st ammendment.

 

[Woolley]

It would get shot down by the courts really quickly. Just a bunch of peacocking.

 

[TYRANITARR]

teachers aren't paid enough to care about shit like this

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Exactly.

This is a waste. I think a child should say the pledge and be respectful. But if they don't, whatever.

 

[Thordinson]

Seems unconstitutional to force kids to pledge the allegiance without a parents consent.

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It is unconstitutional. This was decided in the 40s with Jehovah's Witnesses refusing to pledge. It's just symbolic.

Exactly.

This is a waste. I think a child should say the pledge and be respectful. But if they don't, whatever.

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Wait...Why should they?

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Even as a child I found the pledge really fucking bizarre to do. Would just mouth sync it until middle school. Then I just stood there

 

[Whitemex]

Are there other democratic countries out there that have a pledge like this for children?

 

[Maolfunction]

I'm not sure SCOTUS is quite at the point where they would not immediately throw this out. But still. Hang in there RBG.

 

[CallMeShaft]

This country loves freedom so much their going to force kids to say the pledge of allegiance every single day at school.

 

[thesoapster]

Even as a child I found the pledge really fucking bizarre to do. Would just mouth sync it until middle school. Then I just stood there

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It's weird as shit, no doubt. Coming off The Man in the High Castle, nationalism really doesn't sit well with me .

 

[Deleted member 1086]

it's stuff like this that make slogans like "we need the second to protect the first" incredibly laughable

 

[raYne_07]

Knew this was a Republican bill before I came in the thread.

 

[Deleted member 23850]

Are the idiots who wrote this asinine bill even from Arizona?

 

[Deleted member 6949]

I probably had to say the pledge 1000 times growing up in Pennsylvania. Incredible waste of time.

 

[Deleted member 6215]

Forced loyalty oaths have no place in a democracy.

 

[JaseC64]

Am I weird or is this just something common all through the USA? Maybe you dont have to recite it but you do have to stand and put your right hand on your heart or chest when the pledge goes on.

Like all through HS I never witnessed other students just remaining seated when it came up.

 

[Jangowuzhere]

I'm surprised the pledge is still a thing.

 

[I am a Bird]

So what do they do if an entire school refuses to say the pledge of allegiance. Arrest all tue kids? That seems like a nightmare for everyone and really bad PR.

 

[Thordinson]

Am I weird or is this just something common all through the USA? Maybe you dont have to recite it but you do have to stand and put your right hand on your heart or chest when the pledge goes on.

Like all through HS I never witnessed other students just remaining seated when it came up.

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I sat all the time starting in middle school. You didn't have to stand. People just did it because they were told to.

 

[neon/drifter]

fascism

 

[onadesertedisland]

Bunch of fundies going to waste a shit ton of money to get their wrists slapped and told no by the courts

 

[Deleted member 31817]

Am I weird or is this just something common all through the USA? Maybe you dont have to recite it but you do have to stand and put your right hand on your heart or chest when the pledge goes on.

Like all through HS I never witnessed other students just remaining seated when it came up.

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At my HS some people sat down, most teachers were cool with it but there were always a few who would get heated over it. A lot more like me just stood up and mumbled stuff to not cause a scene though

 

[Bloodbathnbyond]

Of course, Arizona

 

[adj_noun]

The real crime is when you make 'em do the state pledge too.

 

[Psychotext]

fascism

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It's nice to have things in common with North Korea though!

 

[More_Badass]

Exactly.

This is a waste. I think a child should say the pledge and be respectful. But if they don't, whatever.

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Why should they?

 

[starpower]

 

[Ottaro]

We already ask all students to stand up, and say the pledge every morning. Like, we WANT them to, but I'm not going out of my way to report a child. Like, I don't care that much, and I promise you other teachers don't as well. We're trying to do a JOB. Our JOB isn't to freaking report cards for not saying the pledge.

Whatever.

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This is a waste. I think a child should say the pledge and be respectful. But if they don't, whatever.

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But... why?

 

[Kinggroin]

Exactly.

This is a waste. I think a child should say the pledge and be respectful. But if they don't, whatever.

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Yeah!


Wait, no -- what?!?

 

[Reeks]

Fucking Arizona.

 

[raYne_07]

Are there other democratic countries out there that have a pledge like this for children?

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I remember going to Jamaica like 20 years ago and they played the national anthem before every movie screening and people would get up an sing it. Fairly certain they did it on the start of the school day as well.

I vaguely remember having to do this during school in NY back in the day. Pretty sure that practice is currently nonexistent.

 

[Captain of Outer Space]

Gotta force them to pledge allegiance to a country that doesn't really want to stop them from getting shot at school.

 

[crienne]

Went to school in Arizona and got in quite a bit of trouble with my fellow students the few times I dared to not say it while in elementary school. Then I was in JROTC in high school which essentially "forced" me to say for three years until I dropped it my senior year. I'd like to think the attitude has changed since I graduate in 2002, but who knows.

 

[Rune Walsh]

I teach middle school kids and I don't even do the pledge. A few kids still do it but the rest of us continue working. Complete waste of time and honestly, it's weird.

 

[Slayven]

Remember this state did not recongize MLK jr day until the 90s, and only because they lost the superbowl

 

[TAJ]

But what about freeze peach?
It's almost like these people only pretend to care about that.

 

[Sordid Plebeian]

Gotta love that nationalism

 

[maxxpower]

Fuck that, I sat through that shit every morning.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Gota get em while they're young. When do adults ever say this shit? Fuckin brainwashing bullshit

 

[Heromanz]

Just tell them that the pledge of allegiance was created by communist. That will change thier mind real quick

 

[Deleted member 7130]

I pledge compulsory lip service to the flag

 

[reKon]

I pledge allegiance only after a reasonable list of things are taken care of.

 

[AstronaughtE]

With liberty and justice for only those who do as they're told.