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Arkane Lyon (Dishonored 1 and 2) hiring for Games as a Service experience, maybe online

Nirolak

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Summary:
  • If you've been following along with my threads on Bethesda/ZeniMax's shift to Games as a Service, you may remember that I noted that Bethesda, MachineGames (Wolfenstein), and Arkane Austin (Dishonored 1/Prey) all seemed to be shifting toward more toward (online) service games, whereas there were no signs that Arkane Lyon (Dishonored 1 and 2) or Tango were. (id and ZeniMax Online always worked in this area.) Well, today that changed for Arkane Lyon.
  • They have a build manager job where they say experience with Games as a Service is a plus.
  • They have updated both their engine and gameplay programming jobs to note that Networking is a helpful area of specialization. Previous, this had always been excluded from the list.
  • More ambiguously, the Tools Developer job says that LiveOps experience is helpful, but that's possibly for live operations of their internal tools.
  • While the first one is extremely explicit about embracing Games as a Service, the networking and live ops ones aren't quite 100% bulletproof enough for me to say the game definitely has multiplayer, but uh, don't be shocked if it does.
Jobs:
https://jobs.zenimax.com/requisitions/view/2051
https://jobs.zenimax.com/requisitions/view/1227
https://jobs.zenimax.com/requisitions/view/1226
https://jobs.zenimax.com/requisitions/view/1225

For posterity, the Games as a Service listing:

Desired skills:
  • Experience on GaaS projects would be a plus
  • Experience on AAA projects would be a plus
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Voyevoda

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"Games as a Service experience, maybe online"

Nah, don't do this to me Arkane.

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If its GaaS in the form of Hitman 2016 (episodic) then I'm ok with it.

If it's anything else then...
 
Patitoloco

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GaaS is okay, online... can be weird.

Though an online Dishonored with such a detailed world could be really cool.
 
matrix-cat

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If this is what it takes to keep getting Dishonored and Prey-quality games from Arkane, I'm OK with it. As long as I can still play and enjoy them entirely singleplayer and maybe buy some good DLC expansions down the line. The procedurally-generated Prey DLC has me a little worried, though.
 
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Well, Arkane had a good run, creatively. GaaS/online is the killer of my interest in games as they're all compromised in some way when this garbage is introduced.
 

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matrix-cat said:
The procedurally-generated Prey DLC has me a little worried, though.
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I was at first, but I actually really enjoyed what they did with it. It was sometimes at odds with their usual strengths but forcing you to quickly adapt to unexpected situations and environments gelled really well with the gameplay. As a spin off mode it was pretty successful, but I'm not going to assume that's the direction they're going to take all of their main games.

On topic I think GaaS is way too broad a term to be calling Armageddon just yet. I'll want to keep an ear out for what it entails in any case.
 
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I think it was bound to happen, Dishonored 2 and Prey didn't sell very well, to my knowledge. Of course Prey was developed under it's Austin arm, but you can't help but think it's still related.
 
pagrab

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I guess that in principle it is not impossible to merge cool single player campaigns with Gaas, so I guess that it is better news then Arcane going under.
 
hotcyder

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I assume there's more to Games as a Service than just Microtransactions or Season Passes?
Like I thought GaaS was applied to any game that had out of release content (Breath of the Wild and Super Mario Odyssey are GaaS)
 
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matrix-cat said:
If this is what it takes to keep getting Dishonored and Prey-quality games from Arkane, I'm OK with it. As long as I can still play and enjoy them entirely singleplayer and maybe buy some good DLC expansions down the line. The procedurally-generated Prey DLC has me a little worried, though.
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Have you actually played it? IMO it's incredible and easily of the best DLC this generation.
 
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GhostTrick said:
For the record, Lyon is the best city in France. It had to be told.
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Man I'd really like to go. Having only been to Paris, Lyon is probably the only other city in France that currently interest me.
On topic – hopefully this doesn't indicate a total departure from their single-player adventures, but since both Prey and Dishonored 2 were disappointing sales wise, I wouldn't be that surprised if they were pushed by Bethesda/ZeniMax to try something more (currently) commercially viable.
 
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Considering how poorly Dishonored 2 and Prey sold, despite being two of the best games I've ever played, I'll take it if it means means more of them.

Although, if it is Dishonored 3, I'm really curious where they'd take it story-wise after DotO.
 
skeezx

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well reality is they probably can't risk another slate containing only 'traditional' SP immersive sims. hopefully that'll continue to be their forte though
 
Mr.Deadshot

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jem said:
This attitude is very strange.

"Don't give me more content for the games I love! I want less value for my money!"
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I don't want to play one game over months or even years with an open ended progress. I want finished games that have all their content at launch. GaaS is a barebone release game getting minor content updates here and there over years in most cases. No time and patience for that crap.
 
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Mr.Deadshot said:
I don't want to play one game over months or even years with an open ended progress. I want finished games that have all their content at launch. GaaS is a barebone release game getting minor content updates here and there over years in most cases. No time and patience for that crap.
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Were the Witcher 3 or Assassin's Creed Origins barebones at release?
 
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jem said:
Were the Witcher 3 or Assassin's Creed Origins barebones at release?
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Witcher basically did the old "Mission Disk" concept which is fine. I don't have anything against that model. That's not what I understand as GaaS.

I don't know about Origins. Got bored after 10 hours and quit.
 
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jem said:
Were the Witcher 3 or Assassin's Creed Origins barebones at release?
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Most people don't view meaty expansions as GaaS. Expansions existed decades before GaaS was a thing. I wish people would stop mixing in expansions when talking about GaaS.
I think your post is disingenuous, because you know full well what kind of GaaS people take issue with.
 

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cowbanana said:
Most people don't view meaty expansions as GaaS. Expansions existed decades before GaaS was a thing. I wish people would stop mixing in expansions when talking about GaaS.
I think your post is disingenuous, because you know full well what kind of GaaS people take issue with.
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The issue with talking about GaaS is that it's so broad that people basically read it as they want to read it. To some it means microtransactions, to others it mean free small post-release content updates. Examples of either or both exist in many GaaS games, but when they're all lumped together it's easy to assume GaaS is only the best or worst of it.
 
Blackpuppy

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Lyon is a great city! Close to the sea, close to the mountains, 2 hr train ride to Paris...

Good restaurants, quality of life, lots of culture.
 
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Curious about Arkane's take on this. There's always a right way and a wrong way to do GaaS. I didn't play the Prey Mooncrash expansion but at first glance it seemed to be a wide divergence from the single player expansions of Dishonored could that be an indicator of what's to come?
 
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cowbanana said:
Most people don't view meaty expansions as GaaS. Expansions existed decades before GaaS was a thing. I wish people would stop mixing in expansions when talking about GaaS.
I think your post is disingenuous, because you know full well what kind of GaaS people take issue with.
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It's not disingenuous at all.

What's disingenuous is picking and choosing what counts as GaaS to turn the term into some bogeyman.

The Witcher had downloadable quests, Gwent cards, alternative outfits etc. as well as tons of free patches/updates. Not just expansion packs.

ACO has timed events, online missions, free content etc. It's a perfect example of how a single player GaaS game could work.



The sandbox is so deep and rich in Dishonored that I definitely wish there was more. I could play through the campaign again but where's the fun in that? I want new challenges.

Imagine a Dishonored where once you finish the story the game doesn't end. Instead you get new missions and challenges on, say, a weekly basis where you compete against the world to get the highest score on the leaderboards.

Arkane has so much to play with in Dishonored. You could have a challenge where you have to assassinate a witch who's been captured by Overseer's who're holding her in a wing of the Addermire Institute but you're only allowed to select one power. There's a massive variety of missions they could create. Hell, let players create their own challenges and share them with their friends.

That's GaaS and it sounds bloody good to me. A sandbox game like Dishonored is a very good match for single player GaaS.
 
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GhostTrick said:
For the record, Lyon is the best city in France. It had to be told.
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My man, Straight outta Guillotiere. (Is there a LyonERA community btw?)
I guess some people from Ivory Tower will be interested to join. I can see them doing a Hitman and make dynamic assassination missions.
 
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Nirolak

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Viceratops said:
Are you getting that from the "character behaviors and combat powers" line form the one listing? Jeez, I hope it's another Dishonored.
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There have been a lot historically about both that and things like stealth combat, melee attacks, first person, discrete mission levels, non-photorealistic art styles, and some other things I'm blanking on at the moment.

It's not guaranteed, but it sounds a lot like it.
 
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funny how bethesda got their brownie points with the SAVE PLAYER ONE!!!1 marketing stunt, giggled a bit and then immediately started looking for GaaS expertise for their studios anyway
 
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Nirolak said:
There have been a lot historically about both that and things like stealth combat, melee attacks, first person, discrete mission levels, non-photorealistic art styles, and some other things I'm blanking on at the moment.

It's not guaranteed, but it sounds a lot like it.
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I did not realize it got that specific in some of their listings. I'd be okay with a new IP as well if it carries over the DNA of Dishonored.

Thanks
 
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