Pancake games lol, as in TV games are flat like a pancake. That's rather amusing.
Simple things please simple minds I guess.
It's good the newer headset only require one wire.
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Ars Technica: Valve’s long-rumored VR headset is finally real: the Valve Index, coming in June
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Pancake games lol, as in TV games are flat like a pancake. That's rather amusing.
Simple things please simple minds I guess.
It's good the newer headset only require one wire.
You jest but card games in VR would be ace. Would help simulate the social aspect of playing in real life
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Oh ok, where do you order them? Will be kinda annoying changing out the lenses though if you have friends over and your taking turns using the headset
My bad. Hate to spread misinformation, edited my original post too.
PokerStarsVR does it, and does it extremely well. Tabletop/card games are freaking great for social VR.
I also prefer the "markerless" terminology. It encapsulated the primary advantage of such technology -- not having to specifically prepare your environment.
(well, other than turning on the light, I often use my lighthouse-tracked HMDs without much illumination).
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Another one: https://vr-lens-lab.com
The Oculus Go official lenses are from https://www.framesdirect.com/virtuclear-lens-inserts-for-oculus-go.html
I think though that the Oculus Rift S is at least $100 over charged.
Considering Quest comes with internal chipset, memory, storage, battery...
Knuckles is great design but component cost with cheaper Lighthouse 2.0 emitters... $399 would be good.
The thing is, using the term "markerless" is just as inaccurate as using the term everybody already knows and uses, inside-out tacking. Marker-based tracking is where you have a static pattern (a "marker") in the room that a camera uses for tracking. Most commonly used are QR codes though it can be anything; 3DS used to come with some cards that it could use to track a position in 3D space for AR-based gaming. So all modern VR headsets use markerless tracking.
And it's just as confusing to people, since the term everybody, including people who work in the VR industry, uses, is inside-out tracking for any tracking that happens entirely in the headset without any external devices or physical objects.
I wouldn't expect much from the software side. I think Valve would've likely teased their games already had there been big announcements in store. I feel like they'll likely focus on the hardware moreso and maybe provide some tech demos that could turn into games down the line. Any VR game projects they have will probably appear on their own time, if they do.
This sounds pretty good, tho I hope they're doing away with Lighthouse stations. I don't want anymore clunky setups when you can have inside out tracking like on Quest/S.
This isn't true, Lighthouse is marker based inside-out tracking. The sensors in the headset and controllers use the lighthouses as static positional markers.
Heh, I play Beat Saber in pitch black most of the time... makes me feel a little less self conscious in case people can see anything through my windows.
It's a pretty well know secret Valve is working on Half Life VR.
Who knows if it will ship with this but I would hope they plan on shipping a killer app with this hardware.
I really really don't think it'll have wireless.
Let's hope i'm wrong.
They've been "working on it" since forever and the strings that show up then now and again tell us about as much as the strings referencing Half-Life 3 did. There's absolutely no indication the project is still being worked on and that the strings aren't just leftovers that keep being included in released builds by accident. That's why I'm suggesting people chill with the speculation. It's better to not expect anything software wise than think Valve's going to announce a new Half-Life game with their new VR headset and get burned like dozens of times before.
I agree. I don't think we're at the point where wireless is of sufficient quality/reliability and cheap enough to be the default option for a PC HMD.
What I do hope is that they support VirtualLink.
that's true but (I rarely do this) we all know that the era of mainstream AR adoption is when card games will have their day
Then I hope they ship with a very long cable, the one with the Rift is too short and I haven't bothered trying to get a longer one.
I don't see any reason why he'd lie about this:
I highly doubt the HLVR game would be shelved, they know that one is gonna draw the most people. But you're right that doesn't necessarily mean there will be a game announcement coinciding with the headset reveal. Now the Boneworks game being developed by Stress Level Zero...I can see that being fully revealed.
You know I read your comment twice and still missed that fact you were specifically talking about the lighthouse boxes lol
Yeah I agree that white would be better in that case. I've tucked my Rift cameras into some corners and in shelves that are obfuscated to the quick glance but a lighter colour would totally be more appealing to the eye.
Yet having a beige colored high tech VR hardware does sound weird lol
When you're talking with VR in mind, the terms 2D and 3D become too broad, since you can have 2D in 2D, 3D in 2D, 3D in 3D (VR), 2D style in 3D (VR), 2D in a 3D in 3D (VR) and lets not forget 3D in 3D (fake VR) in 2D lol
I'm happy about the timing of this reveal as I've been considering (begrudgingly) going from Rift to S. The idea of removing the cables running up my wall and the sensor mounts is appealing. The difference in tracking would be worth the trade off for me personally as I'm firmly in camp "good enough" as far as that goes. So if there is some outside chance of the lighthouses being optional I would see the cleaner setup as a nice positive.
"Upgrade your experience" speaks directly to me and those like me who wanted a little more out of the S and I'm very curious to see the specs. Will be looking for new info daily until we hear something.
"Upgrade your experience" speaks directly to me and those like me who wanted a little more out of the S and I'm very curious to see the specs. Will be looking for new info daily until we hear something.
It seems impossible to believe this won't demo with at least one Valve game. Jeep Barnett's been teasing for over 2 years that his VR game is coming out "soon". It's the infamous Valve "soon", but even by Valve calanders, it's reasonable to expect this thing is close.
Pretty much everyone in the VR community uses the term Pancake or flat games to refer to non VR games.
Watched the latest Valve News Network video on this, Tyler sounded like a different person.
This is an exciting time to see what Valve can do, especially after Artifact, Left for Dead 3, the multiple Half Life related projects.
This is an exciting time to see what Valve can do, especially after Artifact, Left for Dead 3, the multiple Half Life related projects.
I so hope we will see a much wider FoV out of this headset. That plus inside out tracking would certainly entice me to come over from Oculus land.
I guesss it is considered shade, but I disagree with that meaning, I think simple things pleasing simple minds can be a good thing.
You explained why "pancake game" was wrong and not true, so that is suggesting its a poor term.
you guys remember that crazy rumor back then, that said that valve was waiting for technology to improve, cause they wanted to go full cinematic, but the technology for what they wanted wasnt there? this might be it. half life 3 lol.
At the very least I hope this is backwards compatible with Vive wireless solution if it doesn't have it's own.
I don't want to go back to a wire.
At the very least, I suppose it is very likely the Knuckles will release by themselves and I can just use those with the my wireless Vive Pro. Not ideal because I expect Valve's solution to likely be an improvement (in FOV and probably ergonomics), but I still prefer wifi over those.
I don't want to go back to a wire.
At the very least, I suppose it is very likely the Knuckles will release by themselves and I can just use those with the my wireless Vive Pro. Not ideal because I expect Valve's solution to likely be an improvement (in FOV and probably ergonomics), but I still prefer wifi over those.
I would happily take a 'Half-Life 2 Index Version' as a launch title. Dont even need Ep 3. Half-Life 2, Ep 1 and Ep 2 Index would fill my mind
Haven't been this excited about a gaming related announcement in a long time. Super hyped. But I'm not going to lie. A little bit of me is looking forward to seeing the world burn to the ground when these VR titles finally get shown. The salt is going to be epic (if they're actually any good).
Even with the rumors, I'd keep my expectations low on HLVR actually being a thing. I think there's a good chance it's real, but I'm not getting my hopes up just yet.
Alright, speculation time. When do you think they'll talk more about details on this thing and how? Assuming May really is the release, I'm starting to think they'll do an info dump (specs, prices, promo videos(s)) a month +1 day ahead of the planned release day then open up pre-orders the next day.
I'm expecting more info next week. I hope they do one of those countdown timers.
Valve usually does their Hawaii company vacation in early April so probably mid to late April at the earliest.
I'm assuming they'll invite a bunch of press to their HQ and do the unveiling that way.
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This is basically guaranteed, Valve was listed by name on the initial founding PR sheets for VirtualLink last year.
The tagline is 'upgrade your experience', I'm sure they know a ton of Vive owners are going to want to the Index as their upgrade and forcing them to buy unnecessary new lighthouses and controllers to get the headset seems unlikely, and gen1 Lighthouse and Vive controllers will be compatible. I'll be shocked if there isn't a headset only option.
Oh wow. THIS so much this. PokerstarsVR impressed this shit out of me. As someone who tests these things and gets into alphas and such the tech is always cool and the future so interesting. But the social dynamic at times is wanting but man Pokerstars nails it with current everything. We did a very indepth discussion with some WMR devs about the future and that game was mentioned many times as a building block and good use case for particular things.
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