You presented this as a bad thing. I don't personally care if Arwen brings a few more elves with her, but you said that would be bad. I said "fine, it can just be her." So are more elves with her good or not?
What the actual fuck? I suggested she should have more elves with her. Did I make a typo for you claim the exact opposite?
The Fellowship lost Gandalf and split up during their journey. Aragon, Boorimer, Legolas, Gimli, and Gandalf are some of the best fighters in Middle Earth. It not a knock to Arwen's prowess as a fighter to have her travel with band of elves.
Okay. This isn't a refutation of my point. Elrond doesn't have the ability to stop her from going if she chooses to, and he doesn't have to send an army after her to save her (as we've already seen, he didn't send one before). She doesn't even have to tell him where she's gone.
a) Elrond does have the ability to stop her- he is the leader of their people. You are down playing the significance of Elrond power
b) Elrond does not have to send an army after Arwen, but parental love isn't always logical. You keep ignoring that parental bond. Making Arwen a petulant child would not make her character better.
c) Yeah, she don't have to tell Elrond where she is going, because she herself would not know where to go either. There is no instant long distance communication in Middle Earth. Because of the rings of power, you can fudge it story wise that Elrond and Galdrieal are "tracking" the Fellowship. But please explain how Arwen would know to show up at Helm's Deep?
Not like it matters. Like I mentioned to Pau, PJ isn't the Game of Thrones guys. Elrond's backup if he did send them wouldn't get there until well after the battle. Armies don't travel quickly.
Unless they are elves, which seem to possess abilities beyond men a dwarves. If you are arguing Arwin could have made to Helm's Deep, without a clue a battle is brewing there, then elven armies can get there in time too. Galadrial's army got there on foot, without running into the Orcs. If Elrond's army took the direct route, unlike the Fellowship who were trying to avoid detection, they could get there fast too.
I'm not against including more female roles. How about instead making for things for Arwen to do, make Merry and Pippin women? There is nothing about their roles that require either to be men. That would put two female leads right in Fellowship itself. Gondor may be a little uptight about making Pippin a squire, but Merry- their are shield maids in Rohan. That would be an easy story conversion.
Again, I don't see how this refutes my point.
Here's my point in simple terms:
1) Arwen, like most female characters in LotR, is sidelined at almost every turn except as she pertains to the romance plot of her wanting Aragorn.
2) This is bad. Maybe there are ways to include her in the main plot of LotR (as in, don't just add even more scenes of her pining for Aragorn's "sword").
3) This doesn't necessarily mean combat (EG have her fix up Anduril and deliver it).
1) Find a way to reinvent Arwen without breaking the world of Middle Earth, and I would be okay with more of her inclusion along the way.
2) Jackson had to balance making her more than the widow dressing she was in the books verses making her journey unbelievable in the world Tolkien created for the story. I did a decent job, NOT prefect, but decent.
3) I agreed with this very suggested plot earlier. In the books, her brother's deliver banner to Aragorn before Pelonnor Fields. There is no reason Arwen could not have done this role of bring hope to men instead of her brothers or Elrond.
