As an anime fan, its unsettling/disturbing how many people defend lolicon

[DragonSJG]

I'm sure ERA knows that I am a huge anime fan but one thing I've started to notice alongside other problematic elements in the anime community are there seem to be a bit too many people eager to defend loli. They say things like liking loli doesn't make you a pedo like how violent video games don't make you a murderer, which is not a good fallacy. I mean, its meant to represent a small child and it's creepy and problematic no matter what. I'm pretty unsettled how many people are willing to defend it as R/anime seems to have quite a bit of people doing this. Like, why would anyone choose to die on this hill?

 

[TrueSloth]

They don't want to feel bad for liking something thats bad.

 

[Bomblord]

As it's nearly impossible to watch any modern anime without some kind of underage sexualization in it I can understand but not agree with why people take to defending it. Should they decide not to watch anime with underage characters that are sexualized they're basically giving up completely on anime. Which I have been slowly doing myself recently...

 

[Kemono]

They are just tiny adults or thousand year old dragons in human form. Nothing to worry about.

They say things like liking loli doesn't make you a pedo like how violent video games don't make you a murderer, which is not a good fallacy. I mean, its meant to represent a small child and it's creepy and problematic no matter what. I'm pretty unsettled how many people are willing to defend it as R/anime seems to have quite a bit of people doing this. Like, why would anyone choose to die on this hill?

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Well to them it's just like people liking incest porn. They mostly don't want to fuck their mom or sister but the taboo subject is doing it for them.

And of course they're willing to die on that hill. it's the internet on a forum nobody cares about. They can freely talk about this stuff because it's not against the law and in the worst case they just use a burner account.

 

[nsilvias]

this shit is so bad that you often see anime fans fighting each other in the comments of hentai sites over this topic.

 

[Toxi]

I'm pretty unsettled how many people are willing to defend it as R/anime seems to have quite a bit of people doing this. Like, why would anyone choose to die on this hill?

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I recently had someone on r/anime tell me they liked Goblin Slayer because it portrayed a completely evil and irredeemable race with no nuance that must be exterminated down to the last child.

It's a real cesspit.

 

[Genryu]

UH AKSHUALLY IT'S NOT PEDOPHILIA IT'S EPHEBOPHILIA.

I agree with you, and it just seems like it's getting worse and worse.
It sucks.

 

[Verelios]

It's indefensible. I'll let wholesome anime like Barakamon and Non Non Biyori (This is more nebulous) go but anything sexualizing children is wrong. Period.

 

[Toxi]

UH AKSHUALLY IT'S NOT PEDOPHILIA IT'S EPHEBOPHILIA.

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"Ephebophilia" is one of those words that immediately puts up a giant warning sign for the person using it.

 

[Coyote Starrk]

Yeah I know. I am not SUPER into anime/manga, but I do enjoy a few select series. But the whole "loli" thing and the disgusting defense force that surrounds it is why I don't even mention it to people in real life unless I know them really well. Its led to the stereotype that all anime/manga is gross and the people who enjoy it are weird and thats just not the case in my experience.

 

[Sordid Plebeian]

That shit is so gross

 

[AnansiThePersona]

It's even weirder when combined with the little sister trope. Like how your little sister 15, look like she's 7, AND be in love with you? HOW SWAY???

 

[Deleted member 52442]

I agree but never really have to deal with it, I watch some anime but none that try to pull shit like this

 

[DragonSJG]

As it's nearly impossible to watch any modern anime without some kind of underage sexualization in it I can understand but not agree with why people take to defending it. Should they decided not to watch anime with underage characters that are sexualized they're basically giving up completely on anime. Which I have been slowly doing myself recently...

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There are plenty of good anime. I stick to shonen mainly

 

[Punchline]

its pedophilia

 

[Genryu]

It's even weirder when combined with the little sister trope. Like how your little sister 15, look like she's 7, AND be in love with you? HOW SWAY???

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Oh no don't worry, she isn't REALLY his little sister, she just acts like she is.







They're actually cousins so it's totally cool and fine.

 

[Avis]

its pedophilia

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This plain and simple.

 

[RadioJoNES]

I'm not much of an anime guy, but it is quite disturbing how prevalent the term "loli" is. You see a lot of people using it as a term to describe any child character and I can only hope they are simply using the term without understanding the implications.

 

[Bomblord]

There are plenty of good anime. I stick to shonen mainly

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There are plenty of good anime I completely agree. Take out any that have sexually charged situations, fan-service, or panty shots involving underage character then you got.... What? Chi's Sweet Home?

Even My Hero Academia has some pretty excessive fan-service involving High School freshman in some episodes.

 

[Slim]

That shit is so gross

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[DragonSJG]

There are plenty of good anime I completely agree. Take out any that have sexually charged situations, fan-service, or panty shots involving underage character then you got.... What? Chi's Sweet Home?

Even My Hero Academia has some pretty excessive fan-service involving High School freshman in some episodes.

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If I recall, for MHA, its more anime only. Stuff like that isn't in the manga

 

[Dernhelm]

I'm not much of an anime guy, but it is quite disturbing how prevalent the term "loli" is. You see a lot of people using it as a term to describe any child character and I can only hope they are simply using the term without understanding the implications.

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Indeed, it's a normalised term, and a very insidious one that detracts heavily from what it's defining. It's one of the core ways the peddlers of this paedophilia go about shrugging off any major attention. "It's a cute anime term for cute anime girls", a term that just so happens to be adopted from a novel about paedophilia, how quaint!

 

[Trickster]

In all likelihood, people that are lolicons are also pedophiles. Trying to argue that they're not, is probably because being labeled a pedophile is basically one of the worst things you can be labeled in human society, regardless of whether or not you ever have or ever will actually act on it in real life.

 

[Bomblord]

If I recall, for MHA, its more anime only. Stuff like that isn't in the manga

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It is.

It's just something you either have to accept is there and try to work around it or give up on a large number of shows.

 

[Isilia]

My favorite defense:

"It is fine in context because"

Gonna stop ya there. There is no context in this life or the next that makes it ok.

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

These people are pedos in denial. Wasn't Japan trying to finally crack down on this before the Olympics?

There are plenty of good anime I completely agree. Take out any that have sexually charged situations, fan-service, or panty shots involving underage character then you got.... What? Chi's Sweet Home?

Even My Hero Academia has some pretty excessive fan-service involving High School freshman in some episodes.

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What fanservice is in Attack on Titan? Promised Neverland?

 

[Bomblord]

These people are pedos in denial. Wasn't Japan trying to finally crack down on this before the Olympics?
What fanservice is in Attack on Titan? Promised Neverland?

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Never watched anything outside the first episode of promised never land but isn't the entire cast underage characters? Honestly don't know enough about it to comment.

Attack on Titan you could probably call an exception. I watched all of the first season and it was clean as far as I can remember but honestly it's so normalized in anime that I would have a tough time remembering smaller infractions like male gaze camera shots. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions I can think of a few just off the top of my head and they should be held up positively but they are just that exceptions.

 

[Enduin]

It's a big reason I don't partake in a whole lot of anime and related media than I probably otherwise would. It's gross and tiring.

 

[Lady Bow]

If I recall, for MHA, its more anime only. Stuff like that isn't in the manga

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[DragonSJG]

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Ok, point made,

 

[Trickster]

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I passionately hate the ball guy in MHA. Dude serves literally no person other than being a constant creep

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

Never watched anything outside the first episode of promised never land but isn't the entire cast underage characters? Honestly don't know enough about it to comment.

Attack on Titan you could probably call an exception. I watched all of the first season and it was clean as far as I can remember but honestly it's so normalized in anime that I would have a tough time remembering smaller infractions like male gaze camera shots. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions I can think of a few just off the top of my head and they should be held up positively but they are just that exceptions.

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I just blew through seasons 2 and 3 and can't recall such a moment in AoT.

Promised Neverland is starring a mostly underaged cast and never has a moment that comes even close to fanservice. It's also really damn good.

I remember Erased from two years ago being completely fanservice free.

Most recently Carol and Tuesday is free of fanservice and sexualization as well.

Quality anime that doesn't pander to pervs and pedos is out there if you look for it.

 

[D i Z]

Pedo's gonna pedo.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

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My kid loves Dragon Ball Z, but I hate the Roshi perv shit. And I was going to try MHA with him, but crap like this....

 

[Dernhelm]

My kid loves Dragon Ball Z, but I hate the Roshi perv shit. And I was going to try MHA with him, but crap like this....

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He gets progressively worse too.

 

[Bomblord]

I just blew through seasons 2 and 3 and can't recall such a moment in AoT.

Promised Neverland is starring a mostly underaged cast and never has a moment that comes even close to fanservice. It's also really damn good.

I remember Erased from two years ago being completely fanservice free.

Most recently Carol and Tuesday is free of fanservice and sexualization as well.

Quality anime that doesn't pander to pervs and pedos is out there if you look for it.

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That's the problem you have to look for it. The norm is underage sexualization. I've heard of 1 of the 3 anime you just mentioned.

As an anime fan it feels like more of inevitably and a sliding scale of "how much of this am I willing to accept before giving up on the show" because even if you start a show that seems tame it can eventually devolve there's a reason the beach episode is considered a trope in anime.

 

[sredgrin]

It's so entrenched and accepted that the obsession many fans have with like, young teen looking characters barely even registers, because, hey, at least they're not looking like they're 7, amirite?

 

[Kaz Mk II]

I wonder how the Japanese audience defends it. I mean does it really matter what those on r/anime think?

I've never held particularly strong feelings towards it, but am always a little disappointed in a show/shows that go too far and put children in 2 string outfits or whatever. Has certainly been a turn off of relatively good shows for me before.

I dont think I've ever seen a japanese fan or creator actually give thier thoughts on the phenomena. It may just come down to tolerance level, or it being socially accepted if there are no clear links to real life child abuse.

 

[Richter1887]

Agreed.

It is pedophilia plain and simple. Really disgusting how some of them think that hiding it behind a japanese word means it isn't pedophilia.

 

[Einbroch]

Monthly bait thread. I see your game. >:)

 

[cenor]

I feel disgusted about some violent games like GTA, but I know I am a tiny minority. I have long accepted that people are free to like what they like.

 

[TacoSupreme]

This is why I just watch anime I like and avoid the fandom whenever possible.

Sure, shows like Shirobako, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Sangatsu no Lion, Cowboy Bebop may have their own share of problems, but I don't think any of them are particularly prurient with regard to something like underage sexualization.

That being said, I think it's weird that people look at every anime with characters under the age of 18 and instantly think it's loli bait. Especially since for many shows it's usually the fanbase that goes wild fetishizing characters far more than the shows do (I know there are many exceptions to this).

I also think there's room for stuff like Hibike Euphonium which wouldn't feel out of place at all as a Western Young Adult novel.

I don't think any of this is likely to change a lot in Japan as long as a lot of Japanese adults view many loli-type characters as simply cute and not sexualized.

 

[Wood Man]

My kid loves Dragon Ball Z, but I hate the Roshi perv shit. And I was going to try MHA with him, but crap like this....

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A couple years ago I went back and watched the original Dragon Ball and it's alarming how many times Bulma is almost sexually assaulted. It's even more cringy when you realize she's 16 years old at the time. Only a few episodes in and Oolong drugs her with the intent of molesting her. Roshi constantly perving on her and a couple of Red Ribbon army solders intend to "have fun with her." before Goku saves her. ewwww.

 

[CO_Andy]

What fanservice is in Attack on Titan?

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Close up of Mikasa's butt when she's swinging in the S1 intro (and also when the animation is recycled in later seasons), but other then that the show's squeaky clean.

 

[crimsonECHIDNA]

It got really bad when I was watching the Kabeneri of the Iron Fortress movie on Netflix over the weekend and they kept showing the 12 year old character in really compromising positions.

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

That's the problem you have to look for it. The norm is underage sexualization. I've heard of 1 of the 3 anime you just mentioned.

As an anime fan it feels like more of inevitably and a sliding scale of "how much of this am I willing to accept before giving up on the show" because even if you start a show that seems tame it can eventually devolve there's a reason the beach episode is considered a trope in anime.

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That's odd, as all the listed shows I named were featured prominently on their respective services Netflix/Crunchyroll/Funimation, and all even had OTs on this site.

It's also why it's important to support shows that steer clear of this garbage to show that they don't need fanservice to sell. I encourage you to check these out since you won't need to worry about needing to "give up" on any of them out of fear of gross fanservice, as they have none.

 

[OG YOLOwen]

Anime in general has too many fucking creep shots. I refuse to use fanservice because showing the camel toe of a high school freshmen is not "giving the fans what they want"

I used to love anime. I've seen TTGL like 4 times over. But I find myself quite frankly repulsed by it as an adult. Its so distracting to be watching a scene then have the camera shift to the boobs of some child I'm supposed to take seriously.

Even in MHA I remember some pretty questionable shots of some underaged characters.

Isn't feminism still a comparatively untouched subject in Japan?

 

[Deleted member 984]

How on earth is it even legal? I'm not a fan of anime, there are a few I like but when I've tried anything else they are full of this shit.

One anime I like is Perfect Blue, great bit of light surrealism with astute observations and direction/editing on par with film. The message that they were conveying and against from one industry seems to have found its way into that medium as a norm.

 

[Dernhelm]

Anime in general has too many fucking creep shots. I refuse to use fanservice because showing the camel toe of a high school freshmen is not "giving the fans what they want"

I used to love anime. I've seen TTGL like 4 times over. But I find myself quite frankly repulsed by it as an adult. Its so distracting to be watching a scene then have the camera shift to the boobs of some child I'm supposed to take seriously.

Even in MHA I remember some pretty questionable shots of some underaged characters.

Isn't feminism still a comparatively untouched subject in Japan?

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Can't speak for feminist movements in Japanese culture in general, but any guise it seems to take up in anime is often either used as a force to be ridiculed and/or met with scorn from fans.

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

Close up of Mikasa's butt when she's swinging in the S1 intro (and also when the animation is recycled in later seasons), but other then that the show's squeaky clean.

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Are you talking about the pose at :50? Seems kind of like a reach, as it looks like it's simply a movement to build momentum into a launch, and isn't much of a "close-up". It's colored and lit to call the least attention to her ass as possible, looking like a centered action pose. Arguably the shot at 1:11 with that slow motion V move and action pose at 1:14 featuring guy's backsides seem a little more "gratuitous" to me honestly. But I won't argue against anyone if it legit makes them uncomfortable. I guess I was expecting way worse for a "close-up butt" shot :P