Response from creative director
https://forums.ubi.com/showthread.p...ector-Jonathan-Dumont?p=13888279#post13888279
"Since the story is choice-driven, we never force players in romantic situations they might not be comfortable with," Dumont says. "Players decide if they want to engage with characters romantically. I think this allows everybody to build the relationships they want, which I feel respects everybody's roleplay style and desires."
Much better than the initial statement (though it's not that high of a bar to jump over) but they lost my trust on this and will have to work hard to earn it back.Response from creative director
https://forums.ubi.com/showthread.p...ector-Jonathan-Dumont?p=13888279#post13888279
Good on them for owning it. It will be difficult to look past what already happened but its reassuring they definitely won't do this again. I hope any references in Part 3 are minimal or nonexistent but I'm not sure if that is possible.Response from creative director
https://forums.ubi.com/showthread.p...ector-Jonathan-Dumont?p=13888279#post13888279
How do we know this for sure?He already knew what was going to happen in the dlc, but he still said all those bullshits.
Ah, yes, the utilitarian view of crying because a person left, receiving them with obvious joy, claiming to have a "genuine connection" with them, settling down to live with them and their father, kissing them under the moonlight, having a child with them and claiming they are now family.Our goal was to let players choose between a utilitarian view of ensuring your bloodline lived on or forming a romantic relationship. We attempted to distinguish between the two but could have done this more carefully as we were walking a narrow line between role-play choices and story, and the clarity and motivation for this decision was poorly executed
Not an awful response, good on the director for adressing it. Also good that such relationship isn't forced on the player in the next part of the DLC.Response from creative director
https://forums.ubi.com/showthread.p...ector-Jonathan-Dumont?p=13888279#post13888279
Literally the horror story in Dragon Age Inquisition of Dorian's family trying to change him to ensure the bloodline continued...So the answer is that Kassandra has to get impregnated for the good of the 'bloodline'?
Fucking hell that's got some issues.
The areas of the world the DLC episodes explore are conspicuously empty of side-quests in the main game. It's plenty obvious that, while the narrative content may have not been 100% done, the DLC was planned before the main game released.
The relationship has already been forced on the player. If they start the next dlc episode with some patchwork addition of Alexios and Kassandra saying something like "I'm just doing this to continue my bloodline" that was obviously never going to be part of the original vision, given how this episode ended. It's all very unfortunate.Not an awful response, good on the director for adressing it. Also good that such relationship isn't forced on the player in the next part of the DLC.
The issue here is they give you a choice and then take it away. If they are going to walk down the choice driven path; they've got to commit to it. This is a really shitty thing to do with the way the game was setup.
This is why Assassin's Creed is doomed and i don't understand why people tell me i'm out of the subject.
One of the main story of the franchise is the bloodline. It's the story of our ancestors.
Problem? No way to have a baby without "sexual relationship" in the past (or without a piece of eden...).
And since 2010's see the rise of the LGBT community (and that's awesome) now it feels like Assassin's Creed is promoting bloodline so far-right stuff.
AC is doomed. It can"t recover from this. This is the end of the franchise. It's Weinstein lvl of shit.
I can already see at E3 2020 about next AC the "choices are back" and then sarcastic meme around reddit, resetera, boards etc... "until you meet someone and have a baby" or stuff like that. AC is over.
And more of that , the "lore" they built during the games made some assassins to be played or to appeared an obligation.
A China Game without playing Shao Jun? No.
But what if i want to play as a man? Or a lesbian female? We know Shao Jun is the only student Ezio had. So what? We destroy the lore so we can please everybody (and THEY HAVE TO! THAT'S THE SOLUTION! ) .They won't.
AC is over.
This is why Assassin's Creed is doomed and i don't understand why people tell me i'm out of the subject.
One of the main story of the franchise is the bloodline. It's the story of our ancestors.
Problem? No way to have a baby without "sexual relationship" in the past (or without a piece of eden...).
And since 2010's see the rise of the LGBT community (and that's awesome) now it feels like Assassin's Creed is promoting bloodline so far-right stuff.
AC is doomed. It can"t recover from this. This is the end of the franchise. It's Weinstein lvl of shit.
I can already see at E3 2020 about next AC the "choices are back" and then sarcastic meme around reddit, resetera, boards etc... "until you meet someone and have a baby" or stuff like that. AC is over.
And more of that , the "lore" they built during the games made some assassins to be played or to appeared an obligation.
A China Game without playing Shao Jun? No.
But what if i want to play as a man? Or a lesbian female? We know Shao Jun is the only student Ezio had. So what? We destroy the lore so we can please everybody (and THEY HAVE TO! THAT'S THE SOLUTION! ) .They won't.
AC is over.
Take a breather, they fucked up with this DLC. The franchise is nothing near doomed though. I get it if this soured you enough to not play any future AC games, that's of course valid. But the franchise will keep on rolling and it will keep selling.This is why Assassin's Creed is doomed and i don't understand why people tell me i'm out of the subject.
One of the main story of the franchise is the bloodline. It's the story of our ancestors.
Problem? No way to have a baby without "sexual relationship" in the past (or without a piece of eden...).
And since 2010's see the rise of the LGBT community (and that's awesome) now it feels like Assassin's Creed is promoting bloodline so far-right stuff.
AC is doomed. It can"t recover from this. This is the end of the franchise. It's Weinstein lvl of shit.
I can already see at E3 2020 about next AC the "choices are back" and then sarcastic meme around reddit, resetera, boards etc... "until you meet someone and have a baby" or stuff like that. AC is over.
And more of that , the "lore" they built during the games made some assassins to be played or to appeared an obligation.
A China Game without playing Shao Jun? No.
But what if i want to play as a man? Or a lesbian female? We know Shao Jun is the only student Ezio had. So what? We destroy the lore so we can please everybody (and THEY HAVE TO! THAT'S THE SOLUTION! ) .They won't.
AC is over.
It's both.
You never have total control.No one would have an issue if Kassandra or Alexios were presented to us as heterosexual to begin with (i.e. we are given no choices in who they are) but for them to give us those choices, and even market the game around this concept, then take it all away suddenly for the purposes of "storytelling" is quite disrespectful to those players who were promised to have total control on who their character is/becomes, and it's the epitome of a bait-and-switch.
Concern trolling.
This is why Assassin's Creed is doomed and i don't understand why people tell me i'm out of the subject.
One of the main story of the franchise is the bloodline. It's the story of our ancestors.
Problem? No way to have a baby without "sexual relationship" in the past (or without a piece of eden...).
And since 2010's see the rise of the LGBT community (and that's awesome) now it feels like Assassin's Creed is promoting bloodline so far-right stuff.
AC is doomed. It can"t recover from this. This is the end of the franchise. It's Weinstein lvl of shit.
This is why Assassin's Creed is doomed and i don't understand why people tell me i'm out of the subject.
One of the main story of the franchise is the bloodline. It's the story of our ancestors.
Problem? No way to have a baby without "sexual relationship" in the past (or without a piece of eden...).
And since 2010's see the rise of the LGBT community (and that's awesome) now it feels like Assassin's Creed is promoting bloodline so far-right stuff.
AC is doomed. It can"t recover from this. This is the end of the franchise. It's Weinstein lvl of shit.
I can already see at E3 2020 about next AC the "choices are back" and then sarcastic meme around reddit, resetera, boards etc... "until you meet someone and have a baby" or stuff like that. AC is over.
And more of that , the "lore" they built during the games made some assassins to be played or to appeared an obligation.
A China Game without playing Shao Jun? No.
But what if i want to play as a man? Or a lesbian female? We know Shao Jun is the only student Ezio had. So what? We destroy the lore so we can please everybody (and THEY HAVE TO! THAT'S THE SOLUTION! ) .They won't.
AC is over.
Hello all,
After hearing player feedback and discussing within the development team we are making changes to a cutscene and some dialogue in Shadow Heritage to better reflect the nature of the relationship for players selecting a non-romantic storyline. These changes, along with renaming a trophy/achievement, are being made now and will be implemented in an upcoming patch.
We've also been carefully looking at the next episode, Bloodline, to ensure the paths that players experience mirror the choices they make in game.
The patch with the "changes" to the DLC is out and from what I'm reading... it's fucking nothing.
Apparently all they did is changing ONE line of dialogue and removing a hug.
This shows how much Ubisoft care for LGBT. From the beginning it's all been lies and false promises.