Yes, both games are like this. There are some interesting quests thrown in there but the gameplay has yet to catch up to the world Ubisoft can build.
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Assassin's Creed Origins is huge
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Yes, both games are like this. There are some interesting quests thrown in there but the gameplay has yet to catch up to the world Ubisoft can build.
Odyssey is better by every metric. If you're really big into ancient Egypt then maybe you'll enjoy that setting more. But I've always found Greece to be the most interesting of the ancient civilizations.
I was LOVING Origins until I just got burnt out on it. Hated the level system and I got bored of side missions. :/
You don't need to do all the side content or clear all the "?" on the map. You should look out for the side quest which gives you Alexander's Shield though. It's not the best shield in game by stats, not by a long way, but it looks great. Anyway, if you're doing all of the content you'll be vastly over-leveled. That's what I did, and I had to bump it up to Hard and enable enemy level scaling, so it wouldn't be too easy. You'll need to do some of the side content though. The DLC is really good too, especially the second one Curse of the Pharaohs.
I haven't played Origins,but I guess it has quite a lot of filler side content as most Ubisoft games do. I'd say ditch that and stick to main quests or meatier side activities than collectibles or generic timewasting tasks
Very much so. I platinumed Origins, and while I did enjoy the game, it was a chore to clean up the map. Took just over 100hrs to 100%. Not worth it.
It's a lot more engaging with actual dynamic story, more enemy "factions" more mobility and combat options
Odyssey is even better with a crazy bounty system that puts GTA/RDR2 to shame and a big high level faction war system with Athenians and Spartans against each other
I'm currently knee deep in Origins at the moment, it's the first AC game I've been excited about (and looked forward to getting back into) since Revelations, which ended up being a little bit of a let down in the end.
It's really good, and doesn't feel too big to me (yet, I just got to Memphis).
Also was I the only one to immediately go back to the long hair / beard combo?
Bayek wears it well, I didn't want the haircut.
It's really good, and doesn't feel too big to me (yet, I just got to Memphis).
Also was I the only one to immediately go back to the long hair / beard combo?
Bayek wears it well, I didn't want the haircut.
Origins is superior to Odyssey....TO ME.
Egypt just looks perfect. The actual cities and towns looked lived in with real civil infrastructure design and placement (a lot of of places in Odyssey look copy-pasted).
Its also a bit more cinematic. Odyssey feels more gamey.
Dissclaimer: I played over 120 hours of Origins and only 10 of Odyssey (didnt like it)
Egypt just looks perfect. The actual cities and towns looked lived in with real civil infrastructure design and placement (a lot of of places in Odyssey look copy-pasted).
Its also a bit more cinematic. Odyssey feels more gamey.
Dissclaimer: I played over 120 hours of Origins and only 10 of Odyssey (didnt like it)
Origins has tighter design and well written characters/relationships (possibly the best in a AAA game). Origins dials everything up to 11, but the structure is like a weaker GTA/Saints Row game where you're just doing crazy gamey shit, with no story or characterization to speak of.
The writing of missions is really good although after a while you see that the action is pretty much broken down into a couple of scenarios. Still a good way to make it addictive to keep playing, both Origins and Odyssey do this really well.
It also helps that the Egypt game world is absolutely amazing. Never expected a desert setting to be so interesting.
It also helps that the Egypt game world is absolutely amazing. Never expected a desert setting to be so interesting.
I beat the game recently and did a ton of the side content, but near the end I realized I'm literally doing the same shit over and over in different locations. Ended up just going through the story but I still did play a ton and felt like I saw almost every location in the game.
Wanted to pick up odyssey recently but figured I'd get burned out after having played Origins so recently.
Wanted to pick up odyssey recently but figured I'd get burned out after having played Origins so recently.
*shrugs* I dunno. These games just do it for me. I like giant open worlds. My only problem is I wish they had MORE characters that stood out, who had their own stories you could get enveloped in.
Yeah more open world games should take after RDR2 where instead of having a bunch of short side missions just make a long as fuck campaign.
There's still a "current time period" story going on in Origins, including a playable character and an explorable area, but it's very infrequent (that I've experienced so far, I haven't finished the game yet).
No idea about Odyssey though.
It's still there in Odyssey, same playable character. But only very moderately and it kind of breaks the pacing of the game when it occurs.
The vastness of the desert is truly awesome. I know many prefer level design where the whole space is packed with content, but emptiness is potent in its own right.
Origins is deeply flawed but its world is one of the greatest ever realized in a game.
Origins is deeply flawed but its world is one of the greatest ever realized in a game.
Yes. Yes it is very huge. I actually just lowered the difficulty, and played through the main campaign, with side quests here and there when I wanted to get some new skills or craft some better gear. I beat the campaign, but I left a very, very large portion of the game unplayed. I hadn't even explored the whole map. I love these open world games, but I just don't have enough time to devote to them like I'd like. The atmosphere in Origins is great, and Bayak is one of the series best protagonists since Ezzio. I loved it. I only played a little of Odyssey, but I'm liking Kassandra a lot already, and can't wait to get to play more of that too.
Assassins Bloat
Thats how i'd describe origins and odyssey. Big for the sake of being big with nothing interesting or of substance.... But i enjoyed both before the boredom set in.
Thats how i'd describe origins and odyssey. Big for the sake of being big with nothing interesting or of substance.... But i enjoyed both before the boredom set in.
Holy shit, what am I reading? The writing in Origins isn't in the same stratosphere as the industry's best AAA games. It's debatable whether it is even above average. I'm baffled by how you could even hold that opinion.
For the best, look to games such as The Witcher 3, The Last of Us, Uncharted series, Red Dead Redemption II, God of War, etc.
Origins is great, but too big imo, without fast travel it would be unplayable.
What I do like though is the well-designed forts/camps/palaces which are like smaller Ground Zeroes levels. The slow strategic stealth is awesome. Give the AC team Splinter Cell and they would make the serie great again.
What I do like though is the well-designed forts/camps/palaces which are like smaller Ground Zeroes levels. The slow strategic stealth is awesome. Give the AC team Splinter Cell and they would make the serie great again.
Be sure to do the daily Reda quest. It only takes a few minutes, and it's a great chance at a Legendary.
I often wonder why people feel compelled to complete every side mission in these open world games. Is it OCD? Is it trophy hunting? I don't give a wet fart about trophies, so that's never a motivator for me, and I don't have OCD, do I don't feel the urge to complete every blip and bleep on the map.
I play side quests when they serve my current gameplay goals. "Oh, I want this skill/item/gear, and I need X amount of XP or materials to get it? Sure thing." Then I complete that task, and go back to exploring the world or the story quests. I don't think either playstyle (completionist or more story focused) is a negative, I'm just always curious about what drives people.
I don't blame Ubisoft for their approach, honestly. Maybe working in the gaming industry for as long as I have has given me a new perspective, but it's often, if a game doesn't have enough content, people complain. If a game has "too much" content, people complain. To me, it seems like Ubisoft has opted to give players options. If you're the type of gamer that adores content (and it can't all be 100% unique content because games aren't cheap to make, and that level of undertaking would require an insane amount of resources), you have that option to engage with it. If you're the type of gamer that wants a more focused experience, that's there too.
I engage with what I need, and ignore what I don't. I beat the game with only a level 36 Bayak, but if I wanted to power level him and make him a beast, I at least had that option to. I didn't even unlock every skill in his arsenal, just the ones that suited my particular playstyle (I'm always very stealthy, so I tried to invest in skills that benefitted that playstyle).
I wouldn't say the games are bloated. Overwhelming if you're a completionist, as the scale of their worlds is massive (as was The Witcher 3; another game I skipped the vast majority of the side quests and just focused on the main story, and the side activities I needed to do to achieve my current meta goal).
The atmosphere and world building in all of these games is incredibly impressive, so I don't fault them for some of the weaker or repetitive elements. I like when games give you the tools to play however's comfortable for you.
I only played an hour of Odyssey at the most, and it seems even bigger (and also more polished) than Origins. I love Ancient Egypt, and has been a setting I've wanted to play in for ages, so I adored Origins, but I also love Ancient Greece, so I'm equally excited to delve into that world too. The RPG systems and more polished combat also seem wonderful. I still can't see myself completing everything, and it took me ages to even beat Origins, but I think AC has really evolved into one of the best third party open World Series in gaming. And I've been playing them since the beginning, only skipping a handful that didn't grab me.
In my mind, Origins is like a reboot of the series, and Odyssey is its sequel, and because they feel so different than the "old style" of AC. More like The Witcher than the last "true" AC game.
I play side quests when they serve my current gameplay goals. "Oh, I want this skill/item/gear, and I need X amount of XP or materials to get it? Sure thing." Then I complete that task, and go back to exploring the world or the story quests. I don't think either playstyle (completionist or more story focused) is a negative, I'm just always curious about what drives people.
I don't blame Ubisoft for their approach, honestly. Maybe working in the gaming industry for as long as I have has given me a new perspective, but it's often, if a game doesn't have enough content, people complain. If a game has "too much" content, people complain. To me, it seems like Ubisoft has opted to give players options. If you're the type of gamer that adores content (and it can't all be 100% unique content because games aren't cheap to make, and that level of undertaking would require an insane amount of resources), you have that option to engage with it. If you're the type of gamer that wants a more focused experience, that's there too.
I engage with what I need, and ignore what I don't. I beat the game with only a level 36 Bayak, but if I wanted to power level him and make him a beast, I at least had that option to. I didn't even unlock every skill in his arsenal, just the ones that suited my particular playstyle (I'm always very stealthy, so I tried to invest in skills that benefitted that playstyle).
I wouldn't say the games are bloated. Overwhelming if you're a completionist, as the scale of their worlds is massive (as was The Witcher 3; another game I skipped the vast majority of the side quests and just focused on the main story, and the side activities I needed to do to achieve my current meta goal).
The atmosphere and world building in all of these games is incredibly impressive, so I don't fault them for some of the weaker or repetitive elements. I like when games give you the tools to play however's comfortable for you.
I only played an hour of Odyssey at the most, and it seems even bigger (and also more polished) than Origins. I love Ancient Egypt, and has been a setting I've wanted to play in for ages, so I adored Origins, but I also love Ancient Greece, so I'm equally excited to delve into that world too. The RPG systems and more polished combat also seem wonderful. I still can't see myself completing everything, and it took me ages to even beat Origins, but I think AC has really evolved into one of the best third party open World Series in gaming. And I've been playing them since the beginning, only skipping a handful that didn't grab me.
In my mind, Origins is like a reboot of the series, and Odyssey is its sequel, and because they feel so different than the "old style" of AC. More like The Witcher than the last "true" AC game.
The Bayek-Khemu-Aya relationship in Origins is far better realized than The Witcher 3's laughably poor Geralt-Ciri-Yennefer/Triss relationship or anything in Uncharted; it's easily comparable to Joel and Ellie in The Last of Us or and Kratos and son in God of War. Even Bayek's relationships with Hepzefa and with the Scarab are better developed than any comparable relationship in The Witcher 3 pre-expansion (which takes quite a step back from TW2, to be fair -- and also to be fair, Geralt is about as close to an empty vessel as a voiced character can be).
You explain it quite well, I'm sure it's OCD for some but for me it's about getting more XP. The games are built to get you to take it slow and do side quests since the recommended level for the next main quest can be quite high if you just rush it. But yeah I don't do all side missions either, just enough to get me up to the recommended level for the next main quest or for an ability point.
The writing in Origins is at best average, and is praised by basically no one besides yourself. The Witcher 3 is heralded across the industry as having some of the best (if not the best) writing in gaming. So yeah, you can have your opinion I guess. Also lol at Origins being comparable to The Last of Us.
I immediately went back to the beard too as he just looked naked without it. Ended up swapping the hair a few times before settling on it shaved. And I still have a tough time selecting an outfit that looks...right. I think I'm wearing the collector outfit at the moment.
I don't know how far I am in the game's story (halfway?) but so far Bayek is my favourite main character from an Assassin's Creed game.
It is. So is Odyssey, and too be honest, it's really demotivating for me to open the map in these games. So much shit to do, and with shit I mean shit. They're great games, but a lot of the content is meaningless. For a completionist it is really frikkin hard to just ignore one of the infamous Ubisoft "?" on the minimap.
Used to feel the same try to do it all but now I rarely do. RAGE2 is the last one in years for me simply because the gunplay was fantastic.
While I enjoyed Origins and finished the main story and all side missions, let's not kid ourselves regarding the voice acting. It's absolute crap and even funny sometimses, because of how ridiculous some of the voices sound. Odyssey is even worse.
Origins is great, Odyssey got deleted after 10 hours because I almost died of boredom and annoyance. It's the ultimate checking marks of the map game.
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I absolutely adored Origins. One of my favorite games of the generation. But the expanse and repetition of the map made me so burned out that I'm dreading playing Odyssey. Really just need to stick to the story this time around.
This is something I have never seen. I'm quite amused actually. I like the game more than most, but thinking it has better writing than witcher and is comparable to tlou. Huh
I just love open world games, have done since I first played Ultima VII many, many years ago. It feels like true escapism which is why I play games at all.
The Ass Creed games certainly give you that and whilst some parts of Black Flag, Unity and definitely AC3 felt like you had to grind to get through the main story neither Origins nor Odyssey felt like you had to do that to get the most out of the game. You certainly can grind through it but these games are more of an experience.
I've just finished the main story of Odyssey at 101 hours, got there in 50 hours with Origins, and normally move on once I've finished the main story. However the Odyssey world is just so embracing I'm going back in to finish off the cultists and the mythical beasts, not all side quests but a few along the way and also visit all islands I haven't been to yet, there's about 5 of them. I'll also treat myself to the season pass to rinse everything out of this game.
So it's not so much as I'm not ready to let go of the Odyssey world, more like it's not ready to let me go.
The Ass Creed games certainly give you that and whilst some parts of Black Flag, Unity and definitely AC3 felt like you had to grind to get through the main story neither Origins nor Odyssey felt like you had to do that to get the most out of the game. You certainly can grind through it but these games are more of an experience.
I've just finished the main story of Odyssey at 101 hours, got there in 50 hours with Origins, and normally move on once I've finished the main story. However the Odyssey world is just so embracing I'm going back in to finish off the cultists and the mythical beasts, not all side quests but a few along the way and also visit all islands I haven't been to yet, there's about 5 of them. I'll also treat myself to the season pass to rinse everything out of this game.
So it's not so much as I'm not ready to let go of the Odyssey world, more like it's not ready to let me go.