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ASTRAL CHAIN™ |OT| PoPo's Bizarre Adventure

Oct 25, 2017
5,546
Is file 11 boss really that tough? At worst I’ve had to use two batteries on the boss for file 9 mostly because the mechanics were janky as fuck. Other than that I maybe died once or twice the entire game. Guess I’ll find out tonight...
 

Xlad

Member
Oct 19, 2018
530
It still baffles me how this game has an actual cover mechanic which it only uses in that one Carlos side-quest (where you have to trail a suspect), but not it stealth mission where it would have been applicable.
I mean that mechanic work with trailing missions for just to blend yourself with people and surrounding .stealth section required you to move around quicker than trailing missions so cut out that animation seem reasonable.
 

New002

Member
Oct 25, 2017
470
I'm not going to lie, I'm having a really hard time with Astral Chain. I really like the combat system, the general mood and vibe of the game, and the conceptual idea of side questing alongside main questing in hub-like levels. But I find the actual structure and pacing of the game an absolute bore. It's such an unfocused mess of boring quests in weirdly semi-restrictive hubs that try to offer a bit of freedom yet are also presented as part of structured levels. A lot of the side content is terribly boring and a slog to push through, but the game nevertheless pushes you into these sections of games in order to present the levels themselves.

There's this weird unfocused, unsureness to what the game wants to present and have you do. Does it want to be an exhilarating moment-to-moment character action game? Does it want to be more open and free with side questing? Actually getting through levels and to the moments where optional, missable content exists is slow and meandering, but also restricted to the "file" structure. I can already feel I don't want to replay the levels to discover things, because I don't like most of the side content, so much of it is repetitious and dull, and even just getting into the files and playing through them is a huge slog.

The game has so many exciting, exhilarating moments but the structure is robbed of the snappiness of stuff like Bayonetta and Metal Gear Rising, but also the completely free, adventitious, relaxed and open discovery of Nier Automata. It tries to combine elements of both of these directions but ends up worse than both, even if there's moments of brilliance inside the messy structural wraparound.

And it's a shame, because I've found I have to force myself to play the game. Frustratingly this isn't a case of a game I actively dislike and am forcing myself through for some fried reason (to see a story through, for example). I still really like a lot of what Astral Chain has to offer. So much so that I want to experience that stuff first hand. When it's kicking goals it's fantastic. But every time I think about what I need to endure to get to these points, I just groan at the shit I need to dig through to get there. Play sessions are such a slog.

All of this is in combination with technical and design issues I've already voiced; 30fps does the game no favours, the camera is awful, the visual readability is a mess, and more. The platform is objectively awful because of measurably imprecise jumping (you do not land exactly where you place your legion). I also think the controls are shit and find them unnecessarily convoluted (which I will also put down to the learning curve, but man, there's some weird function idiosyncrasies here), and other oddities like trying to navigate your legion but having them catch on props and other junk in combat zones. It's a painfully anti-user friendly set of game systems, and not in the way The Wonderful 101 was with its rough tutorials. This is just...rough.

So yeah. Bit of a rant, just some thoughts. I'll see it through because like I said when it's great it's marvellous. But as it is Astral Chain is almost definitely my least favourite major production from Platinum. There's so much greatness to elevate the quality, but the lows subjectively bring it down for me. It just doesn't have the tighter polish, specifically in pacing and structure, that I enjoy most from my favourite Platinum titles.
Solid post. While I don't agree with everything here, I do feel the same about a good deal of what you're saying. I'm hoping to finish the game today. I started the last file a few days ago and I've had to spread it out over a few days because I quickly lose interest, and at this point I just want it to be done. Don't get me wrong I was having a blast with the game for a long while, but like I said earlier it's a game that really could have used some trimming of the fat. I liken it to a movie that could have been excellent at a tight 90 minutes, but they made it 2 1/2 hours. I remember early on being excited about the idea of going back to explore and open new areas with new legions and all that, but I have virtually 0 interest in doing that at this point. I think the File structure kind of killed that for me.
 

Mistouze

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,510
I'm not bored with it at this point but yeah, it does file like the game would have been better as a semi open world thing. Ditch the file structure, let me go where I want in the city during down time and let me do secondary missions whenever I feel like it.

For the sequel, hopefully?

EDIT : At the least the game has a nifty solution to let you play a specific mission for a better score BUT in a typical PlatinumGames fashion it's easy to miss it. I don't know if the game explains it to you after you finished the story, tbh.
 
Oct 27, 2017
3,375
I'm not going to lie, I'm having a really hard time with Astral Chain. I really like the combat system, the general mood and vibe of the game, and the conceptual idea of side questing alongside main questing in hub-like levels. But I find the actual structure and pacing of the game an absolute bore. It's such an unfocused mess of boring quests in weirdly semi-restrictive hubs that try to offer a bit of freedom yet are also presented as part of structured levels. A lot of the side content is terribly boring and a slog to push through, but the game nevertheless pushes you into these sections of games in order to present the levels themselves.

There's this weird unfocused, unsureness to what the game wants to present and have you do. Does it want to be an exhilarating moment-to-moment character action game? Does it want to be more open and free with side questing? Actually getting through levels and to the moments where optional, missable content exists is slow and meandering, but also restricted to the "file" structure. I can already feel I don't want to replay the levels to discover things, because I don't like most of the side content, so much of it is repetitious and dull, and even just getting into the files and playing through them is a huge slog.

The game has so many exciting, exhilarating moments but the structure is robbed of the snappiness of stuff like Bayonetta and Metal Gear Rising, but also the completely free, adventitious, relaxed and open discovery of Nier Automata. It tries to combine elements of both of these directions but ends up worse than both, even if there's moments of brilliance inside the messy structural wraparound.

And it's a shame, because I've found I have to force myself to play the game. Frustratingly this isn't a case of a game I actively dislike and am forcing myself through for some fried reason (to see a story through, for example). I still really like a lot of what Astral Chain has to offer. So much so that I want to experience that stuff first hand. When it's kicking goals it's fantastic. But every time I think about what I need to endure to get to these points, I just groan at the shit I need to dig through to get there. Play sessions are such a slog.

All of this is in combination with technical and design issues I've already voiced; 30fps does the game no favours, the camera is awful, the visual readability is a mess, and more. The platform is objectively awful because of measurably imprecise jumping (you do not land exactly where you place your legion). I also think the controls are shit and find them unnecessarily convoluted (which I will also put down to the learning curve, but man, there's some weird function idiosyncrasies here), and other oddities like trying to navigate your legion but having them catch on props and other junk in combat zones. It's a painfully anti-user friendly set of game systems, and not in the way The Wonderful 101 was with its rough tutorials. This is just...rough.

So yeah. Bit of a rant, just some thoughts. I'll see it through because like I said when it's great it's marvellous. But as it is Astral Chain is almost definitely my least favourite major production from Platinum. There's so much greatness to elevate the quality, but the lows subjectively bring it down for me. It just doesn't have the tighter polish, specifically in pacing and structure, that I enjoy most from my favourite Platinum titles.
I don't always agree with EatChildren but this post really sums up my feelings on the game. There's a really good game at the core but there's so much crap to sift through to get to it, and it's a shame.
 

Mr. Poolman

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
3,123
Quick question, when I start new game +, is all the database stuff I’ve taken pics of going to carry over too? It better

Also I adore this game but it sometimes really baffles me with dumb decisions

Putting red matter to collect on the escaping the tunnel crystal section while riding on beast legion in ARI is nothing but just infuriating. With the way that section is set up, why the fuck would they do that?!? You can collect all the red matter the entire chapter, and get completely screwed at this part. That’s such fucking bullshit.
Doesn't matter.
The bonus comes when you hit 80% of clean-up.
 

AndrewGPK

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,419
Is file 11 boss really that tough? At worst I’ve had to use two batteries on the boss for file 9 mostly because the mechanics were janky as fuck. Other than that I maybe died once or twice the entire game. Guess I’ll find out tonight...

I had about the same experience as you. He's definitely tougher than anything else in the game. I got him on the second attempt. He's more of a damage sponge than anything else in the game so it takes a good while to finish. On my second run I realized that I had him down well enough that I would get him at least in the next few tries, so I was more worried about starting it over again than whether or not I'd actually beat him.

He's tough relative to the rest of the game on PT Standard, but he's not as bad as say a really tough soulsborne or sekiro type of boss. I guess you get that later with File 12 and ultimate difficulty. I think the difficulty was appropriate for a normal mode playthrough.
 

cevion

Member
Oct 26, 2017
184
Where can I see my previous ranks of earlier files? Like for every red/blue case. Thanks in advance!

edit: Also, anyone know a good video walkthrough for chapter 10 and beyond? I was using underbuffed but s/he only has file 1-9 uploaded.
 

Anson225

Member
Oct 26, 2017
130
Where can I see my previous ranks of earlier files? Like for every red/blue case. Thanks in advance!

edit: Also, anyone know a good video walkthrough for chapter 10 and beyond? I was using underbuffed but s/he only has file 1-9 uploaded.
Go to your PC and access File Select, you will be greeted with the rank summary
 

Sander VF

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
9,325
Tbilisi, Georgia
Ditch the file structure, let me go where I want in the city during down time and let me do secondary missions whenever I feel like it.
So what you suggest is to have Files as these linear Action missions while all the exploration (outside of maybe Astral Plane) is localized in the big city hub?

I support tightening up, but I'm not sure I'd like it that much. I'd rather have them improve investigations.
 

Mr. Poolman

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
3,123
How many extra costumes are there?
I don't mean individual pieces for the Police gear, but complete costumes.
 

cevion

Member
Oct 26, 2017
184
And yes, make Parry and the piercing Legion dash part of your standard moveset. Why are they attached to random obscure ability codes? How many people who played this game know there's Mahaa-Kalaa style parry in this game? I wager not that many.
What is the parry ability called? I read about it but then forgot. Also, what legions have i-frames on their sync attacks? Beast and arm? Thanks!
 

ShinobiBk

Member
Dec 28, 2017
7,268
Please no open world. The structure is cool how it is. I just want a hub to go back to between files but the mission structure should stay
 

Sander VF

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
9,325
Tbilisi, Georgia
What is the parry ability called? I read about it but then forgot. Also, what legions have i-frames on their sync attacks? Beast and arm? Thanks!
My Parry comes with an ability code called Call Lock +0.5 sec

The sub-ability itself is called Parry Attack

Legion rushing move (throw with flicking the right stick that goes through enemies) is called Legion Rush and it came bundled with an E-Convert Range +100%.

THIS is what's so weird. These come bundled as sub-perks of mundane modifiers. At leas these particular samples.
 

Dphex

Member
Oct 27, 2017
7,494
Cologne, Germany
I'm not going to lie, I'm having a really hard time with Astral Chain. I really like the combat system, the general mood and vibe of the game, and the conceptual idea of side questing alongside main questing in hub-like levels. But I find the actual structure and pacing of the game an absolute bore. It's such an unfocused mess of boring quests in weirdly semi-restrictive hubs that try to offer a bit of freedom yet are also presented as part of structured levels. A lot of the side content is terribly boring and a slog to push through, but the game nevertheless pushes you into these sections of games in order to present the levels themselves.

There's this weird unfocused, unsureness to what the game wants to present and have you do. Does it want to be an exhilarating moment-to-moment character action game? Does it want to be more open and free with side questing? Actually getting through levels and to the moments where optional, missable content exists is slow and meandering, but also restricted to the "file" structure. I can already feel I don't want to replay the levels to discover things, because I don't like most of the side content, so much of it is repetitious and dull, and even just getting into the files and playing through them is a huge slog.

The game has so many exciting, exhilarating moments but the structure is robbed of the snappiness of stuff like Bayonetta and Metal Gear Rising, but also the completely free, adventitious, relaxed and open discovery of Nier Automata. It tries to combine elements of both of these directions but ends up worse than both, even if there's moments of brilliance inside the messy structural wraparound.

And it's a shame, because I've found I have to force myself to play the game. Frustratingly this isn't a case of a game I actively dislike and am forcing myself through for some fried reason (to see a story through, for example). I still really like a lot of what Astral Chain has to offer. So much so that I want to experience that stuff first hand. When it's kicking goals it's fantastic. But every time I think about what I need to endure to get to these points, I just groan at the shit I need to dig through to get there. Play sessions are such a slog.

All of this is in combination with technical and design issues I've already voiced; 30fps does the game no favours, the camera is awful, the visual readability is a mess, and more. The platform is objectively awful because of measurably imprecise jumping (you do not land exactly where you place your legion). I also think the controls are shit and find them unnecessarily convoluted (which I will also put down to the learning curve, but man, there's some weird function idiosyncrasies here), and other oddities like trying to navigate your legion but having them catch on props and other junk in combat zones. It's a painfully anti-user friendly set of game systems, and not in the way The Wonderful 101 was with its rough tutorials. This is just...rough.

So yeah. Bit of a rant, just some thoughts. I'll see it through because like I said when it's great it's marvellous. But as it is Astral Chain is almost definitely my least favourite major production from Platinum. There's so much greatness to elevate the quality, but the lows subjectively bring it down for me. It just doesn't have the tighter polish, specifically in pacing and structure, that I enjoy most from my favourite Platinum titles.
best post i´ve seen about the game.

for me it was a 7/10 at best, it just doesn´t come together in a "well done" way.

the combat system has a low skill ceiling which shows in file 12, it is all far too automated, it doesn´t flow in the way a good character action game should flow.

and yeah, 30fps for such a game isn´t great at all, it feels like it runs slower than it should. first Platinum game where i´ve played 2 levels on Platinum Ultimate and sold the game. it didn´t motivate me at all to play it again whereas in all the other Platinum games i was urging for the highest difficulty. (bar Nier Automata which i also didn´t like)

the irony is, i´ve played Transformers Devastation in the last days again and the combat system there has so much more impact and crunch that it made the lacking combat system of Astral Chain even more obvious.

in short, Astral Chain tries to be 3 games in one and doesn´t excel in any area. the exploration is in smallish, claustrophobic areas, the fighting doesn´t feel powerful and the whole minigame/quest stuff feels like padding.

as a result, Astral Chain is the Platinum game that i´ve enjoyed the least of all games they made so far.
 

Spaltazar

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,808


I love this motorcycle and its segments.

Semi Open World Sequel where we drive around town on this Bike when?
 

AndrewGPK

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,419
I would give the boss a few more tries. File 12 opens up a lot of extra content.

Try detaching your arrow legion to keep him occupied and hit him from behind. Keep the axe legion handy to quickly generate a shield for his ranged attacks. If you feel yourself being sucked into that ball thing, send your legion away from you and the boss and chain jump out of it. It would be helpful if you have fusion, but I'm not sure you totally need it. Otherwise just try to stay alive as long as you can, its a battle of attrition. Use all the health and upgrades and batteries you have.
 

nStruct

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
978
Seattle, WA
I completed the game last night and overall I really liked it. The only slump in the game for me was File 8, but other than that I really enjoyed the game's combat and overall style.
 

ShinobiBk

Member
Dec 28, 2017
7,268
Am I wrong in thinking the blaster kinda sucks late game? It was my go to with the arrow legion mid game but the dps just ain't there later when you're facing hell's fury in file 12. I need big damage asap
 

correojon

Member
Oct 26, 2017
737
I finally managed to beat Noah in Pt Ultimate. What a shitshow, almost everything that wasn´t a melee attack was a OHKO, not a fan of that. The boss was very cool and with a more balanced damage output it could be really fun to fight, I like how a lot of attacks can easily be stopped by the correct Legion technique, though it´s also true that just riding the beast will get you through anything.

I´m going through the file 12 missions in Pt Standard now, it´s amazing how easy things seem now after beating the game in Pt Ultimate. I like a lot the combat system but I also think it´s not balanced at all: It seems like the devs just made everything overpowered and then just throw in a bunch of enemies at you to try to overwhelm you, but with Howl, Slow Shot and Gravity Bomb you can gain instant control of almost any battlefield and you still have Axe´s barrier and shields or you can ride Beast to become untouchable. There should be some special type of attacks that can break Axe´s barrier in one hit, other to hit you when you´re riding Beast and some special kind of floor (maybe summonable by enemies) where Beast can´t walk.
I don´t like that some times the camera will fuck you over and if you just mash buttons and unleash techniques in a panic you´ll most likely destroy all the enemies and even get a S+ (seriously, the ranking system is just horrible, it has no meaning at all). The camera shouldn´t be that bad and you should get killed if you act mindlessly.

Also, there´s really bad checkpoint placement. This wasn´t an issue in Pt Standard as you rarely died, but playing through Ultimate without using healing items it´s a different story. For example, there´s this time you have to tail a guy, then a portal will open and you´ll get into a lengthy fight. If you lose you spawn right back at the base so have to go search for the guy to start the mission again, skip the cutscenes, perform the tailing sequence and then go back into the Astral Plane to do the fight again. Same with the stealth sections, if you find a secret portal and lose the fight you´re put back at he beginning of the level and have to do all the stealth section again. It tremendously disencourages trying to get good at the game as if you die 3 or 4 times you´ll eventually become so tired of the preceding sections that you´ll give in and just use healing items or whatever to get it over. Even the final boss does something like this in a lesser extent: If you die you have to skip a cutscene every time,
then watch an unskippable cutscene of the boss summonning those platforms into the air and taking you with him
. It´s not too long, but after some tries it starts piling up. What is more bizarre is that the section already puts you right at the start of the boss, there´s nothing more to do so why did they have to bring you right before the cutscene every single time? At least the game allows you to select specific parts of a file to jump into and you can get out as soon as you beat that part you want, but it still could do better. I hope Bayo3 gives you straight access to every single verse from a menu and just cuts out the bullshit. These games are designed to be replayed and master the nuances of the combat system, yet at the same time they always have some bullshit that tries to make it as tedious as possible.

I´d really like for there to be a way to detect Beast and Arrow´s collectibles more easily once you´ve gone through the level 2 or 3 times. I´m not going to walk through each level a 4th time walking the Beast legion all around while looking with the camera at every corner, that was nice 2 or 3 times, but enough is enough. BTW, when I realized that the Beast legion wouldn´t detect hidden spots if you weren´t manually moving it around I wanted to scream. Having it walk besides you or riding it doesn´t do anything :(

I think that once I´m done with the file 12 missions I´ll be done with the game, the combat system has a lot of depth but there´s nothing in the game to incite you to master it.

BTW, some nice combos:
  1. Use Axe´s shields, then Hit Rush.
  2. Change to Arm, use Gravity Bomb.
  3. Change to Sword, activate Circle Swords. The enemies should already be gathering around the Gravity Bomb, so bind them all and perform the followup Sync attacks. Alternatively you can Hit Rush with Sword after binding the enemies and call out Axe or Arm to manually attack the binded enemies (Gladius combos with Axe will destroy most mobs). Axe´s shields should stop you from being interrupted if any enemy escapes the bind too soon.
  4. You´ll most likely have now destroyed 4 or more mobs, making the rest of the encounter very easy. If they´re still standing use Howl, as they´ll all still be close together after the Gravity Bomb you´ll most likely stun all of them.
  5. Use Slow Shot to stop the survivors from attacking. By the time it runs out you´ll most likely be ready to unleash another Gravity Bomb if you want to, but it´s rarely needed at this point as all that´s left is probably the boss if there´s one.

My Parry comes with an ability code called Call Lock +0.5 sec

The sub-ability itself is called Parry Attack

Legion rushing move (throw with flicking the right stick that goes through enemies) is called Legion Rush and it came bundled with an E-Convert Range +100%.

THIS is what's so weird. These come bundled as sub-perks of mundane modifiers. At leas these particular samples.
They can both come as main abilities as well, I have a Parry Attack with no subs and a Legion Rush with 2 subs. I think abilities are randomized, so if you are hunting for something you can farm the level 12 missions which after the first completion will each reward you with a specific ability.

Oh hi, combo videos! Was waiting for these to start materializing.

There’s a lot more potential for air play in here than a few people give it credit for.
Those look cool, but is there the only launcher the perfect evade+ZR move? All combos start with that :/
 

Sander VF

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
9,325
Tbilisi, Georgia
Those look cool, but is there the only launcher the perfect evade+ZR move? All combos start with that :/
There's a number of moves that look like launchers to me.

Like Arm's and Axe's back-forward commands, although I haven't tested those.

Edit: Yep, take a closer look at around 1:30. Axe back-forward is indeed a launcher, it seems.
They can both come as main abilities as well, I have a Parry Attack with no subs and a Legion Rush with 2 subs. I think abilities are randomized, so if you are hunting for something you can farm the level 12 missions which after the first completion will each reward you with a specific ability.
Damn, if there's one tweak I REALLY want for part 2's combat, it's to give me the damn thing for my standard moveset. Parry is a random drop I need to farm, lol.
 

correojon

Member
Oct 26, 2017
737
There's a number of moves that look like launchers to me.

Like Arm's and Axe's back-forward commands, although I haven't tested those.

Edit: Yep, take a closer look at around 1:30. Axe back-forward is indeed a launcher, it seems.
Yeah you´re right. IMHO this is what makes AC´s combat so different from previous P* games, you have very few options to stay in the air safely dealing damage.

Damn, if there's one tweak I REALLY want for part 2's combat, it's to give me the damn thing for my standard moveset. Parry is a random drop I need to farm, lol.
Yup, I agree. I still haven´t found which mission (if any) in level 12 gives you the Parry Attack, will let you know if I come across it as I´m also hunting for it :P
 

Sander VF

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
9,325
Tbilisi, Georgia
Yeah you´re right. IMHO this is what makes AC´s combat so different from previous P* games, you have very few options to stay in the air safely dealing damage.
While I think that the groundedness of the combat system is kinda overstated by some people, I think they could safely expand air play in the sequel without detracting from that uniqueness. For one thing, they could have all the command moves have their own aerial permutations with associated Syncs.

Also, using the chain like spring-rope, if an air-comboed enemy falls on it, to throw them back in the air for more punishment.

Another reason why I'd like more aerial options is because Winged Chimeras don't shy away from hitting you in the air, so it'd bee cool to have improved air capabilities to take them on up there.
 

Gles

Member
Aug 4, 2019
100
I just finished the game. I'm not really a fan of this type of game but I really liked it, the combat was pretty fun for me, so I hope they make a sequel.
 

Rendering...

Member
Oct 30, 2017
9,229
I finally managed to beat Noah in Pt Ultimate. What a shitshow, almost everything that wasn´t a melee attack was a OHKO, not a fan of that. The boss was very cool and with a more balanced damage output it could be really fun to fight, I like how a lot of attacks can easily be stopped by the correct Legion technique, though it´s also true that just riding the beast will get you through anything.

I´m going through the file 12 missions in Pt Standard now, it´s amazing how easy things seem now after beating the game in Pt Ultimate. I like a lot the combat system but I also think it´s not balanced at all: It seems like the devs just made everything overpowered and then just throw in a bunch of enemies at you to try to overwhelm you, but with Howl, Slow Shot and Gravity Bomb you can gain instant control of almost any battlefield and you still have Axe´s barrier and shields or you can ride Beast to become untouchable. There should be some special type of attacks that can break Axe´s barrier in one hit, other to hit you when you´re riding Beast and some special kind of floor (maybe summonable by enemies) where Beast can´t walk.
I don´t like that some times the camera will fuck you over and if you just mash buttons and unleash techniques in a panic you´ll most likely destroy all the enemies and even get a S+ (seriously, the ranking system is just horrible, it has no meaning at all). The camera shouldn´t be that bad and you should get killed if you act mindlessly.

Also, there´s really bad checkpoint placement. This wasn´t an issue in Pt Standard as you rarely died, but playing through Ultimate without using healing items it´s a different story. For example, there´s this time you have to tail a guy, then a portal will open and you´ll get into a lengthy fight. If you lose you spawn right back at the base so have to go search for the guy to start the mission again, skip the cutscenes, perform the tailing sequence and then go back into the Astral Plane to do the fight again. Same with the stealth sections, if you find a secret portal and lose the fight you´re put back at he beginning of the level and have to do all the stealth section again. It tremendously disencourages trying to get good at the game as if you die 3 or 4 times you´ll eventually become so tired of the preceding sections that you´ll give in and just use healing items or whatever to get it over. Even the final boss does something like this in a lesser extent: If you die you have to skip a cutscene every time,
then watch an unskippable cutscene of the boss summonning those platforms into the air and taking you with him
. It´s not too long, but after some tries it starts piling up. What is more bizarre is that the section already puts you right at the start of the boss, there´s nothing more to do so why did they have to bring you right before the cutscene every single time? At least the game allows you to select specific parts of a file to jump into and you can get out as soon as you beat that part you want, but it still could do better. I hope Bayo3 gives you straight access to every single verse from a menu and just cuts out the bullshit. These games are designed to be replayed and master the nuances of the combat system, yet at the same time they always have some bullshit that tries to make it as tedious as possible.

I´d really like for there to be a way to detect Beast and Arrow´s collectibles more easily once you´ve gone through the level 2 or 3 times. I´m not going to walk through each level a 4th time walking the Beast legion all around while looking with the camera at every corner, that was nice 2 or 3 times, but enough is enough. BTW, when I realized that the Beast legion wouldn´t detect hidden spots if you weren´t manually moving it around I wanted to scream. Having it walk besides you or riding it doesn´t do anything :(

I think that once I´m done with the file 12 missions I´ll be done with the game, the combat system has a lot of depth but there´s nothing in the game to incite you to master it.

BTW, some nice combos:
  1. Use Axe´s shields, then Hit Rush.
  2. Change to Arm, use Gravity Bomb.
  3. Change to Sword, activate Circle Swords. The enemies should already be gathering around the Gravity Bomb, so bind them all and perform the followup Sync attacks. Alternatively you can Hit Rush with Sword after binding the enemies and call out Axe or Arm to manually attack the binded enemies (Gladius combos with Axe will destroy most mobs). Axe´s shields should stop you from being interrupted if any enemy escapes the bind too soon.
  4. You´ll most likely have now destroyed 4 or more mobs, making the rest of the encounter very easy. If they´re still standing use Howl, as they´ll all still be close together after the Gravity Bomb you´ll most likely stun all of them.
  5. Use Slow Shot to stop the survivors from attacking. By the time it runs out you´ll most likely be ready to unleash another Gravity Bomb if you want to, but it´s rarely needed at this point as all that´s left is probably the boss if there´s one.


They can both come as main abilities as well, I have a Parry Attack with no subs and a Legion Rush with 2 subs. I think abilities are randomized, so if you are hunting for something you can farm the level 12 missions which after the first completion will each reward you with a specific ability.


Those look cool, but is there the only launcher the perfect evade+ZR move? All combos start with that :/
Lots of useful tips in this post, thanks.
 

Sander VF

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
9,325
Tbilisi, Georgia
I really love how secret bosses and encounters are hidden in this game.

I just randomly decided to trudge through the flames in 05 with Axe Legion's Barrier on and found a new shell type. Also lifted a switch based wall back up while standing on it, turned left and found a new Power-type boss. They even bothered recording a bit of dialogue for the intro cutscene (nothing major, just Olivia warning you about a signal approaching before it busts through a wall)!

THIS is the good shit. THIS is what the next game's downtime should double down on.
 

Mistouze

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Oct 26, 2017
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So what you suggest is to have Files as these linear Action missions while all the exploration (outside of maybe Astral Plane) is localized in the big city hub?

I support tightening up, but I'm not sure I'd like it that much. I'd rather have them improve investigations.
I would leave Files pretty much as they are now but you would have the option of keeping secondary missions for after doing the File mission you're on.
 

Sander VF

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
9,325
Tbilisi, Georgia
I would leave Files pretty much as they are now but you would have the option of keeping secondary missions for after doing the File mission you're on.
Yeah, I'm for tightening up the individual files, but I don't want exploration to be relegated to some hub world.
Lots of useful tips in this post, thanks.
Here's a really minor tip that isn't really useful, but is cool.

So pressing ZR while sprinting makes you do a cool slide kick, right? So when you need to access something behind a shutter, do you crawl under it like some loser or do you slide under it like a styling Stand Cop boss that you are?
 

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Oct 30, 2017
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Here's a really minor tip that isn't really useful, but is cool.

So pressing ZR while sprinting makes you do a cool slide kick, right? So when you need to access something behind a shutter, do you crawl under it like some loser or do you slide under it like a styling Stand Cop boss that you are?
I love this, lol. I know what I'm going to try next time I play.
 

Soul Lab

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Nov 17, 2017
687
Finally managed to get S+ in every case on PT Standard. The majority is not hard to get. But I had a hard time in some of them.
Next, I'll probably get all the collectables. Then, I'll finally start with File12.

PT Ultimate run is most likely gonna be my final act with the game. lol

Still so much to do. I love it
 
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I feel like every screenshot I take in this game is a pixelated mess.

Which is a shame, because it's the kind of game where I take alot of screenshots.
 
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Nephilim

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Oct 28, 2017
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Finished the game on Platinum Standard with 35 hours and i think this is an outstanding title. File 11 is along with 9 my favourite thanks to the sublime final boss and basically everything that led up to him. Such an epic succession of great fights.
Already have beaten 3 cases in file 12 and i'm long not done with this game yet as it seems, having too much fun with the combat system:)

Negatives are the silent protagonist, which is by far my biggest downside to the experience, it just doesn't work.
Some aeras are reused to frequentely and the writing in general is not too hot, which makes some sidestuff tedious.

I'm not gonna elaborate what i love about the game, since it is pretty much perfect in everything else for my tastes.

Professional reviews reflect perfectly how i feel about the game: it's a 9/10 and a strong candidate for my personal GOTY.
 

Sander VF

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
9,325
Tbilisi, Georgia
I honestly didn't care about playing as a silent protagonist, one way or anotherm except for a couple of scenes where your MC is trying hard to emote properly, but can't because they are contractually obligated to stay silent.
 

correojon

Member
Oct 26, 2017
737
Finally managed to get S+ in every case on PT Standard. The majority is not hard to get. But I had a hard time in some of them.
Next, I'll probably get all the collectables. Then, I'll finally start with File12.

PT Ultimate run is most likely gonna be my final act with the game. lol

Still so much to do. I love it
Collectible collection rate is shared between all difficulties (as well as blue missions) so you could play through Pt Ultimate while finding the ones you missed.
 

Igor

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Oct 31, 2017
343
Playing through Pt Standard again to get S+ on everything.

Does anyone know what does Legion maintenance do?