So yeah, the team cheated to win their first World Series. That's.... pretty bad. I think they and the Saints should have an asterisk next to the trophies that they won from now on.
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Astros GM suspended for one year after it was found that team cheated using technology to win World Series in 2017. (UPDATE: GM and manager fired)
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So yeah, the team cheated to win their first World Series. That's.... pretty bad. I think they and the Saints should have an asterisk next to the trophies that they won from now on.
What technology? I'm not that familiar with illegal tech in baseball. I thought they all used analytics and stuff to make roster decisions.
Is this different?
Is this different?
Cheating during the season and cheating during the World Series is different, they were not found to have cheated during the World Series, just the season.
What more do you want?
It's money, draft picks and year long suspensions
Generally these types of scandals have been related to sign-stealing (and the like) through strategic camera positioning, and relaying information to the dugout they wouldn't otherwise be able to have. It's also the kind of thing that tons of teams do without getting caught. When you win you're scrutinized to a higher standard, I guess. Not saying teams don't deserve to be punished for this (and some part of me does feel that tech is ruining baseball), but it is what it is.
Losing their top picks the next two years is pretty massive. Hard to see what more MLB could do without causing a big problem for the league.
Oh absolutely. Involvement in both should make the punishment even worse.
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During the 2009-2011 seasons, the Saints had a "bounty program" in play where they paid their players to injure players on opposing teams.
No...it isn't. They very probably wouldn't have even made the World Series. There should be zero champion recognized in MLB in 2017.
Oh yeah - ehh I don't think that's nearly as bad as this Astros thing.
"Bounty-gate"
So getting paid extra money for targeting certain players harder to try and injure them. It's breaking the rules, but it's not cheating.
The team should also get an asterisk on its World Series banner. That hurts more than draft picks
Garbage punishment, but they were never going to do more than that. Should have been more picks and no intl money too if no players and no firings were going to happen.
That punishment isn't enough. Any organization that can protect its players, owners, and win a championship in exchange for a one-year ban (and draft picks) would do it.
The template now will be to let other, less important people coordinate things. Man, I hate that this doesn't carry more repercussions.
The template now will be to let other, less important people coordinate things. Man, I hate that this doesn't carry more repercussions.
They had someone in the back of the dugout watching the game feed and making banging sounds to alert the pitcher to what was coming on the calls.
So they weren't cheating and it's not the same as the Astros situation.
Baseball has a weird track record with picks - lots of players don't come through the draft system. It's possible for teams to whiff picks in consecutive draft years and still have insanely talented farm systems.
I think most franchises would GLADLY trade a slap on the wrist simple suspension for a manager in exchange for winning a World Series for the first time in 50+ years or w/e.
If they aren't stripping HOU of the Chip, this doesn't matter at all. It might even inspire others to do the same. Pain of suspension is temporary. That banner is forever if it is not removed too.
If they aren't stripping HOU of the Chip, this doesn't matter at all. It might even inspire others to do the same. Pain of suspension is temporary. That banner is forever if it is not removed too.
Can we get the thread title changed to reflect that the team's manager is suspended as well? That's big.
Passan says in a subsequent Tweet that Cora's punishment is coming and it will be severe.
Passan says in a subsequent Tweet that Cora's punishment is coming and it will be severe.
And Gregg Williams is somehow still in the league as a defensive coordinator in the NFL. Dude is a horrible human being. Listen to some of the recordings on him when it comes to targeting certain players on the 49ers.
