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Attack on Titan Season 3 |OT| Civil War

Oct 25, 2017
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So the primary goal of those shows are to sell the source material? The thing is, they always have stuff like external marketing that is anime specific (for cafes, for department stores, etc.), and then there are the absurd home release prices.

Then there are anime original shows. I guess it makes sense that the motivation behind making an adaptation like that would be to sell the manga volumes for an ongoing work, but I guess what I'm thinking about is that they are surely thinking about how much money the anime itself can make as well.

I don't know enough the business behind licensing and how profit is generated in the anime industry.
Anime for the last decade or so is generally produced by a production committee consisting of (roughly): the manga publisher, a publisher for the anime, one or more animation studios, vocal talent agencies, music publisher, various toy/goods manufacturers. Sometimes these are all individual companies, sometimes they're a megacorporation that owns multiple parts (e.g. Sony, who may be the publisher, own the animation studio, and have a particular musical act they want to promote). They all put various amounts of money into making the show in exchange for certain rights - home video rights, choosing the music and artist for the OP/ED, merchandising, etc. Nearly all the things like café tie-ins, department stores, etc. are just advertisement and merchandising for the anime, which in turn is advertising for the source material.

Shirobako goes into some of this. If you haven't seen it, I recommend checking it out on Crunchyroll. It's an anime about how anime is made.

ANN Answerman has also covered related topics a few times:

Being A Member of a Production Committee
Who Actually "Owns" An Anime?
Why Does Unfinished Manga Get Adapted To Anime?


Sorry it's sort of a tangent, but I figured some of you all might find it interesting given the question came up.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'm watching the first ep and with hindsight of seasons two and three you really start asking some questions. This is a few years before they train so now I'm wondering how long Berry and Reiner had their shifting powers and who ordered this initial wall breech.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Sorry it's sort of a tangent, but I figured some of you all might find it interesting given the question came up.
Thanks for the info. I have seen Shirobako, it's great. Though I don't think it went into this aspect of production too much (or it did and I forgot); I recall it being more about the original author's role when it comes to the anime staff's adaptation.

I'll need to read those links. The question I'd have if how much revenue is generated for an anime on its own relative to manga sales derived from that same anime.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Thanks for the info. I have seen Shirobako, it's great. Though I don't think it went into this aspect of production too much (or it did and I forgot); I recall it being more about the original author's role when it comes to the anime staff's adaptation.

I'll need to read those links. The question I'd have if how much revenue is generated for an anime on its own relative to manga sales derived from that same anime.
I'm pretty sure a lot of the revenue comes from blu ray and merchandising.
How long before the first episode?
I mean Mikasa and co are still at most 13 here and I just started ep 2. Somebody ordered these guys to breech the wall a reason.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'm pretty sure a lot of the revenue comes from blu ray and merchandising.
No, that's not what I mean. What was being said before is that the existence of anime adaptations is primarily to serve as advertisement for the manga. If that's the case, what I want to know is:

1. Revenue for the anime as a standalone work (Blu-ray/DVD sales, OST sales, merchandise, cafe/retail/promotional collaborations, etc.).
2. Revenue for the manga derived directly from the anime adaptation (manga volume sales, promotions and merchandise from the manga, etc.).

And compare the results of both.
 
None of you guys feel sorry for Berry and Reiner? :/
A bit, but at this point they're not getting off the hook. If they did all of these horrible things just so they can go back to their hometown then no. If their hometown did this for some higher purpose, then maybe. We have no idea who/what/where/how is this hometown atm so, yea, torture it is.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Anyone else think that Levi injected himself? He had the steam coming from the blood that Eren had during the first season.
Maybe Eren or Mikasa injected Levi. Say he was gravely injured, and going to die, so Eren or Mikasa injected him to save him even though he didn't want them to.
 
It's a hard situation all around, because what they have done is virtually unthinkable and they're directly or indirectly responsible for the deaths of over 250,000 people.

But then you look at meek, low-profile Bert and can scarcely imagine how he's the giant monster from the beginning of the series which knocked down the walls and traumatized thousands of people forever.
They're responsible for the deaths of thousands of people. Can't forgive that even if they're remorseful about it.
A bit, but at this point they're not getting off the hook. If they did all of these horrible things just so they can go back to their hometown then no. If their hometown did this for some higher purpose, then maybe. We have no idea who/what/where/how is this hometown atm so, yea, torture it is.
How quickly do you all forget? Check this out. I believe that Berry and Reiner are being manipulated by some kinda force. They're just NOW messing around with Beast Titan and they look like they are forced to do whatever he has to say. They are pawns in a grand scheme of things.

Ya'll should feel bad for Berry and Reiner.

Don't forget!

 
Oct 29, 2017
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Wow, dat ending, wow! As an AoT fan I honestly expected them to ride off all hyped up for adventure then get squished by a giant foot 2 seconds later and shock everyone - that seems to be how the show goes lol. That tease was close enough.

I was literally shouting to my cat sitting next to me afterwards going "WHAT DOES IT MEAN, SAMUS?? WHAT DOES IT MEAN?" She didn't know either.

Count me in as someone who just figured it was a new character with Reiner. O_o

Sigh, time to go back into waiting mode again.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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How quickly do you all forget? Check this out. I believe that Berry and Reiner are being manipulated by some kinda force. They're just NOW messing around with Beast Titan and they look like they are forced to do whatever he has to say. They are pawns in a grand scheme of things.

Ya'll should feel bad for Berry and Reiner.

Don't forget!

This is why when I saw ep 1 last night my immediate thought was "Who ordered these two to attack the wall?"
I'm watching the first ep and with hindsight of seasons two and three you really start asking some questions. This is a few years before they train so now I'm wondering how long Berry and Reiner had their shifting powers and who ordered this initial wall breech.
See here. I'm assuming there's an answer this tucked away in the manga thread unless they didn't discuss this in the manga either.
Has this season been any good? stopped watching after the first episode because I was lost as fuck and couldn't bother doing a recap
The second ep was fucking lit.
 
How quickly do you all forget? Check this out. I believe that Berry and Reiner are being manipulated by some kinda force. They're just NOW messing around with Beast Titan and they look like they are forced to do whatever he has to say. They are pawns in a grand scheme of things.

Ya'll should feel bad for Berry and Reiner.

Don't forget!
Pawns yea. But they also broke the wall a second time (Wall Rose). I can justify them breaking the first time to infiltrate and being young (not everyone is lucky like Grisha to be brought into the wall unreported). Did they have to 5 years later though? They're old enough to decide for themselves at this point.

There are so many possibilities regarding why they're doing this but they're just possibilities so no point considering them.

I do feel bad they have to follow ape titan though. You can tell from their hollow gaze in that end scene this season. I have a feeling ape is sent bc Ber/Re/An did nothing/did not return for 5 years. Ber/Re looked terrified from their reactions in Season 2.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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If they're around Eren's age then they were just kids when they first attacked the wall... it would be hard to believe they masterminded the plan.
Exactly. That's why with immediate knowledge of what the Colossal Titan was and how Titan shifters work there was no way that it was just Bert and Reiner acting on their own. Which also makes me wonder how long the Beast Titan has been active and we still don't know what his agenda is. It's nothing but constant questions when you watch ep 1 with hindsight. For a minute I also thought Grisha being there was a hallucination since he's got to be dead in ep two when Eren wakes back up after that flashback.
 
Nov 10, 2017
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After watching that ending tease again,when Mikasa jumps onto Levi his body is emitting steam,so that must mean one thing. He must have injected the titan fluid in his body or most likely Eren/Mikasa did without his approval and that's why he's mad lol.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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https://youtu.be/z24ijLf93qQ
God, I miss this preview music.

I'm watching the first ep and with hindsight of seasons two and three you really start asking some questions. This is a few years before they train so now I'm wondering how long Berry and Reiner had their shifting powers and who ordered this initial wall breech.
Probably as far back when Ymir ate their friend. Remember, apparently you must eat a Shifter to take control of the Titan..."being".

...god, are Titans also separate beings? An sentient shell that needs the mind of another to activate? O_o

Exactly. That's why with immediate knowledge of what the Colossal Titan was and how Titan shifters work there was no way that it was just Bert and Reiner acting on their own. Which also makes me wonder how long the Beast Titan has been active and we still don't know what his agenda is. It's nothing but constant questions when you watch ep 1 with hindsight. For a minute I also thought Grisha being there was a hallucination since he's got to be dead in ep two when Eren wakes back up after that flashback.
That spat with the Beast makes it sound like something was coming for him...what if the Titans are actually trying to avoid whatever is out there.

After watching that ending tease again,when Mikasa jumps onto Levi his body is emitting steam,so that must mean one thing. He must have injected the titan fluid in his body or most likely Eren/Mikasa did without his approval and that's why he's mad lol.
Maybe Levi got Eren out of his Titan body somehow.

For a while, I was wondering someone from within wanted this to happen but there is a likelihood that there are multiple parties involved that don't have the best intentions and humanity behind the walls are in the crossfires. Despite taking down the corrupted government (that we know of), this is still a situation where anybody can be the enemy, motivations that we still don't know of, and that the only expectation to have is that anything is possible...the best the Scout Regiment can hope for is being able to conquer what can be because if they end up dealing with an unstoppable force...
 
After watching that ending tease again,when Mikasa jumps onto Levi his body is emitting steam,so that must mean one thing. He must have injected the titan fluid in his body or most likely Eren/Mikasa did without his approval and that's why he's mad lol.
Eren was unconscious the first (few) time(s) he got out of a titan, and getting out involves eating a shifter + amnesia. Levi wouldn't be able to get mad right after lol.
 
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Nov 10, 2017
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Eren was unconscious the first (few) time(s) he got out of a titan, and getting out involves eating a shifter + amnesia. He wouldn't be able to get mad right after lol.
Well Lord Reiss went straigh to it after he used the serum,soo who knows? Maybe the serum his father gave him had the unconcious thing only?
 
Oct 26, 2017
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After watching that ending tease again,when Mikasa jumps onto Levi his body is emitting steam,so that must mean one thing. He must have injected the titan fluid in his body or most likely Eren/Mikasa did without his approval and that's why he's mad lol.
That,or just blood from random titans that he killed.
Not the first time we see him get drenched in blood and then starts to evaporate after some time.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Probably as far back when Ymir ate their friend. Remember, apparently you must eat a Shifter to take control of the Titan..."being".

...god, are Titans also separate beings? An sentient shell that needs the mind of another to activate? O_o

That spat with the Beast makes it sound like something was coming for him...what if the Titans are actually trying to avoid whatever is out there.
How many powers at play are out there? This really is questions the series. Also I really don't remember much about Ymir's plot that season. I saw it on the initial airing and pretty much have to go back and deal with that again. I remember snippets, but that's basically it.
 
Nov 10, 2017
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How many powers at play are out there? This really is questions the series. Also I really don't remember much about Ymir's plot that season. I saw it on the initial airing and pretty much have to go back and deal with that again. I remember snippets, but that's basically it.
Another question is what has happened to Annie? She was frozen at the end of season 1 and that's that?
 
Oct 27, 2017
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How quickly do you all forget? Check this out. I believe that Berry and Reiner are being manipulated by some kinda force. They're just NOW messing around with Beast Titan and they look like they are forced to do whatever he has to say. They are pawns in a grand scheme of things.

Ya'll should feel bad for Berry and Reiner.

Don't forget!

What about Annie? She's with them and she seemed to have great fun decimating the survey corps in the woods. She even went out of her way to torture them. Even if they're being manipulated, they should hold responsibility for their actions, they've caused a mass genocide on humanity.
 
Oct 31, 2017
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Hey, the vest best action animation cut in this series is even better on the BD:

https://twitter.com/Bloodyredstar/status/1053799196011257857

What is BD version? Bluray Disk?

You are both correct. Depending on how much the manga has left, WIT can continue making at least 12 episodes per year without having to take very lengthy breaks to catch up with the manga.
Who knows, maybe the second half is 15 episodes next year. :)
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Didn't they talk about it in the carriage during the Reiss titan attack?
They talk about Kenny as an Ackermann and their strength but thats about it.

Don't think even Levi knew at that point since he seemed shocked when Kenny told him. Though not finding out what his last name is from his mother at any point before seems kind of...weird.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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No need to spoiler tag, it happened in the anime. Levi implicitly told Mikasa they're related when they talked about their acker-power awakening moments and he confessed he had that moment too. It might not have been that obvious, but I think it's common knowledge now that they're (distantly) related as part of the Ackerman family.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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No need to spoiler tag, it happened in the anime. Levi implicitly told Mikasa they're related when they talked about their acker-power awakening moments and he confessed he had that moment too. It might not have been that obvious, but I think it's common knowledge now that they're (distantly) related as part of the Ackerman family.
Yep.

These two characters aren't ones who'd go hug each other and shed tears of joy, afterward.