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Attack on Titan (Shingeki no Kyojin) manga SPOILERS thread | Enter the Basement

PogChamp

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Oct 27, 2017
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Maybe Eren is only a slave to time because he's *aware* that he is a slave to time (due to the titans existing). If Ymir is reborn and titans cease to exist (and thus, titan powers as well), then can you really be a slave? (Or is Eren a slave to his future self?)

Maybe Eren is fighting for a future in which he can no longer see his own future memories.
Is that the future that Grisha would see as terrifying though?
 

Doomguy Fieri

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Nov 3, 2017
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I read the first few volumes of AoT, and now I'm reading some spoilers on this page, and I just... wow. Like an entirely different story at this point.
 

Dark Knight

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Oct 25, 2017
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Tbh, Grisha is repulsed by violence (we've seen it multiple times with Gross and the Reiss family). Even a minor rumbling would be enough to horrify Grisha.
He's only going to see so much of it anyways, from Eren's point of view. Seeing the rumbling as they're walking away from Paradis doesn't necessarily imply if they all meet on the other side of the earth or stop 200 miles into it.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Just read the chapter and only kinda sorta a lot freaking out. I wasn't too hot on the memory stuff but now I'm all in. I love that Zeke is all "Dad made you kinda murder crazy, didn't he?" and Eren's all "Naw, bro. I'm just like this." This plan has backfired so much. People have mentioned Reiner might be the one to save the day and I hope that's the case. I love Reiner's character arc so much.

Someone on reddit made an amazing guide to explain what's going on:
Thanks for clearing that up. Funny enough, this is tying really nicely to my watch of Dark on Netflix which has similar time travel shenanigans going on. If you're having fun with this part of Attack on Titan, definitely check out Dark.
 

RecRoulette

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Oct 25, 2017
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I still can't believe Eren used the memory of Grisha taking his sister out of the camp to guilt trip him into killing everyone in the church.
 

BigWinnie1

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Feb 19, 2018
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Just read the chapter and only kinda sorta a lot freaking out. I wasn't too hot on the memory stuff but now I'm all in. I love that Zeke is all "Dad made you kinda murder crazy, didn't he?" and Eren's all "Naw, bro. I'm just like this." This plan has backfired so much. People have mentioned Reiner might be the one to save the day and I hope that's the case. I love Reiner's character arc so much.



Thanks for clearing that up. Funny enough, this is tying really nicely to my watch of Dark on Netflix which has similar time travel shenanigans going on. If you're having fun with this part of Attack on Titan, definitely check out Dark.
Naw I'm on team fuck the rest of the world. They had a big rally and everything to announce the genocide of a people. They can all be flattened for all I care, save as many eldians as possible and kill the rest.
 

BigWinnie1

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Feb 19, 2018
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I still can't believe Eren used the memory of Grisha taking his sister out of the camp to guilt trip him into killing everyone in the church.
They needed to die and Eren was making sure his old man didn't back out for his morals and fuck up the bigger picture.

Fuck your morals Old man, I'm about the salvation of our race.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Not all Eldians are good, just like not all non Eldians are bad. The whole thing is a bit of a slippery slope and I honestly don't think Grisha would be for mass genocide, like global mass genocide. Even Onyonkonpan is a good dude.
 

Brickhunt

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Feb 4, 2018
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Naw I'm on team fuck the rest of the world. They had a big rally and everything to announce the genocide of a people. They can all be flattened for all I care, save as many eldians as possible and kill the rest.
I just re-read chapters 99 and 100. Just to clarify, the rally was not to genocide the Eldians, it was to defeat Paradis Island before they could use the Rumbling against the World. It is less motivated by genocide and more by the fear of the Rumbling.

Yes, there are people who think the Eldians should be eliminated, as it was discussed between the warriors, but as far motivation for this war goes, the goal is to defeat Paradise, Eren in particular, and stop the Rumbling. If anything, I think Tybur and Margath's plan is to save the Mainland Eldians at the expense of the Paradis Eldians, since the attack on Liberio gathered a lot of sympathy from the world for the Eldians victims of the attack.

BTW, I'm not advocating for Marley. They were the ones who started the whole mess by invading Paradis, after all, but I do not think the entire country, or the rest of the world, deserve to be genocided. Specially if the Eldian Empire did terrorize the world in the past.
 

Git

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Oct 26, 2017
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I really like that we finally found out the Attack Titan's special ability. Before it was still a strange, it can smash stuff like the rest type.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Time paradox: The manga!

Still love it though.
There's no real time paradox though. It's just that the world of attack on titan is completely deterministic, with a fixed past and a fixed future. Eren didn't time travel to change the past, he had always influenced the past at that moment and we came to that revelation just now. That also means that whatever Grisha saw in the future memories will also happen, in spite of his wishes against it, and most likely Zeke's attempt to change the 'already decided' future will bring about the events in the future memories.
 

Joni

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Oct 27, 2017
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There's no real time paradox though. It's just that the world of attack on titan is completely deterministic, with a fixed past and a fixed future. Eren didn't time travel to change the past, he had always influenced the past at that moment and we came to that revelation just now. That also means that whatever Grisha saw in the future memories will also happen, in spite of his wishes against it, and most likely Zeke's attempt to change the 'already decided' future will bring about the events in the future memories.
Which would make Eren an n-dimensional chess master because he is manipulating Grisha to manipulate Zeke.
 

Fulminator

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Oct 25, 2017
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Man this chapter was crazy lol, can’t wait for this shit to get animated

How long until the end?
 
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psynergyadept

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Oct 26, 2017
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just caught up reading the past 10 chapters....

I will be posting a lost pic of my brain; plese contact me if you find it.
 

kurahador

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Oct 28, 2017
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I'm gonna need a refresher abit.

Zeke's plan: Neuter the Eldian so that the Titan and the race itself become extinct.
Eren's plan: Kill everyone else who isn't Eldian.

Is that correct?
 

Arukado

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm gonna need a refresher abit.

Zeke's plan: Neuter the Eldian so that the Titan and the race itself become extinct.
Eren's plan: Kill everyone else who isn't Eldian.

Is that correct?
Zeke's plan is correct, but i dont think we know Eren's yet, to be honest (well, except for the fact that he wants to be free).

What an amazing manga.
 
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