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link for that? There's so many things that need to happen to end in 4 chapters more.
8 more (130) is good, 12 more (134) would be ideal IMO.
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The legend goes that Ymir made contact with "the source of all organic matter."
Alien? Primordial life? 4th dimensional parasite?
Whatever it is can essentially make a horrific giant flesh avatar version of you around you, putting human genetics, form, and flesh on full boost. It makes you wonder "who" was building the titans before Ymir was. The titan faces are way more interesting before Ymir took over. Skull faces, horse faces, whatever was originally building them on the other side had some interesting ideas about the human organism.
Either way, there are three possibilities as far as I can tell:
1) It was inert until it found a compatible host
2) It was a predator of sorts, laying in wait to take advantage of a compatible host
3) It was left there by someone who knew Ymir would be tumbling down if it ends up being involved in the time loop
It's gonna be a source of speculation forever if Isayama never explains the entity.
I don't need Ymir to talk per se. I just need to see something more compelling. Of course you can fill in the gaps, and say "well she was a slave, Eren freed her, that's all we need to know" but that just doesn't really have any impact when it's done like this. Other emotionally poignant moments in the manga were absolutely built up more, related to more characters and had more detailed developments. They weren't simply introduced and resolved over the span of 30 pages, without any struggle or effort, by simply saying the correct lines at the correct time. Reiner's inner mental state was developed for an entire volume, let alone all we knew about him before that, before he met Eren again and broke down completely becoming unable to fight him. Even something as relatively minor as Rod's motivations was carefully built up over multiple chapters before his flashback, unlike here. The notion that the chapter as it exists is enough to make you feel sympathy with Ymir and get your hair raised when Eren "frees" her is totally alien to me, and from what I've seen on other sites, I'm not the only one who feels like this. It's delusional to think that more time devoted to this would just make it worse, an ad-hoc justification for the events as they exist.
Also, the idea that Ymir needed Eren specifically to free her contradicts the notion that it all came down to her slave mentality. Eren told her to choose for herself; is that, and saying "you're normal", really all it takes to undo the deep-seated psychological and ideological conditioning that a slave is subject to? We know Ymir didn't stop being a slave to herself even when she didn't have to, after getting the power. Why did she need to be freed, mentally, and couldn't do it herself? We never see any of this being developed, we just get a brief flashback showing how much of a slave she was (with no attention paid to her own psychology, again, it's not a matter of merely talking), and then suddenly her psychology is the most important thing when the conundrum is resolved so that Eren can get the rumbling going. It's just not up to the standards of SnK.
Also, the idea that Ymir needed Eren specifically to free her contradicts the notion that it all came down to her slave mentality. Eren told her to choose for herself; is that, and saying "you're normal", really all it takes to undo the deep-seated psychological and ideological conditioning that a slave is subject to? We know Ymir didn't stop being a slave to herself even when she didn't have to, after getting the power. Why did she need to be freed, mentally, and couldn't do it herself? We never see any of this being developed, we just get a brief flashback showing how much of a slave she was (with no attention paid to her own psychology, again, it's not a matter of merely talking), and then suddenly her psychology is the most important thing when the conundrum is resolved so that Eren can get the rumbling going. It's just not up to the standards of SnK.
The "devil" was the Eldian king. The apple was her powers, hence the picture book showing how she is "giving" the apple to the "Devil". Notice how the Eldian king has a helmet with horns, just like the Devil in the picture book.
You just don't like ideas or his execution but no, this is how long he's been planning the manga to be for years now.
These aren't random plot twists.Come on, at least try to be fair here. These twists have been well-built up for a while now.
Many of these are decently foreshadowed post-basement... I just really hate a lot of them. eg, memory travel was set up years ago in real time, I just really dislike the twist and these elements feel fairly random in adding to the series. Stripping away any internal Eren thoughts is solely a mechanic to allow for twists as well. The last several years have been "what is Eren doing? Who knows!" just so that Eren killing random people in a certain way can raise more questions for more plot twists and I don't think that is very interesting story-telling, especially since I hate the twists. Game of Thrones at the end also quit allowing the audience to see what characters thought to allow for more twists.
I do question when the post-basement plotline was written as Reiner's actions pre-basement make very little sense, especially with him referring to "Humanity" when revealing things to Eren.
This is more an issue with the concept than on execution and twists. Even if it was less surprising you'd still hate it.
Those may be translation issues. But it can also easily be just Reiner trying to make people think that the people within the Walls are the last of mankind. It's not like they want them to know of Marley's existence.
I disagree completely, I think doing this was a fantastic narrative component. It made us feel like we were looking at things from Armin and Mikasa's perspective. We only knew where Eren came from and not what made him snap or what he was planning. Eren became so much more riveting and electric as a character.
I also think Eren works way better as a cipher that both the villains and heroes are scared of. He's really well-placed for it within the context of the story.
holy shiiiiiiitttt
I feel like I didn't take a breath whilst reading the whole chapter, it was so tense. Poor Ymir, fucking hell. Miserable in life, and miserable in the eternity of death she's spent rebuilding the other titans. It's (depressingly) good to finally have her backstory and to see her true titan form. We also now we have a better understanding of the Fritz/Ymir/Founding Titan control dynamic due to Ymir being a slave, and more context for the S2 ending. The source looking like spinal/centipede thing with extending tendrils and attaching to the spine explains why a shifter's spine is so important, and alleviates the frustrations I had with Reiner surviving without a head, etc.
Shiiiiiiit at the chapter ending on the Rumbling (that is a lot of Colossal titans!), and Eren bringing centipede-skeletal-horror-Junji Ito-titan-realness. It'll be hard waiting another month, sigh.
Great analysis re: the source, and I think I'm even more unnerved out now, if that was possible! Nope-nope-nope. I also didn't consider who or what was rebuilding the titans before Ymir died.
For me, it's probably more interesting if we don't get any true answers on the source (it makes it even more horrifying), but it'll certainly be interesting to see where Isayama takes the story.
Fantastic catch!
I feel like I didn't take a breath whilst reading the whole chapter, it was so tense. Poor Ymir, fucking hell. Miserable in life, and miserable in the eternity of death she's spent rebuilding the other titans. It's (depressingly) good to finally have her backstory and to see her true titan form. We also now we have a better understanding of the Fritz/Ymir/Founding Titan control dynamic due to Ymir being a slave, and more context for the S2 ending. The source looking like spinal/centipede thing with extending tendrils and attaching to the spine explains why a shifter's spine is so important, and alleviates the frustrations I had with Reiner surviving without a head, etc.
Shiiiiiiit at the chapter ending on the Rumbling (that is a lot of Colossal titans!), and Eren bringing centipede-skeletal-horror-Junji Ito-titan-realness. It'll be hard waiting another month, sigh.
Great analysis re: the source, and I think I'm even more unnerved out now, if that was possible! Nope-nope-nope. I also didn't consider who or what was rebuilding the titans before Ymir died.
For me, it's probably more interesting if we don't get any true answers on the source (it makes it even more horrifying), but it'll certainly be interesting to see where Isayama takes the story.
Fantastic catch!
Eren post-basement steals every scene he's in, he has become a mesmerizing character. So yeah, Isayama has done something magnificent with him, but in the end it depends about his true plan, it needs to be something big to justify all the innocents he killed in Marley, but I trust Isayama, even Mikasa said to him that there's no coming back from that.
Holy. Fucking. SHIT.
ITS INSANE how much of this can be seen in the anime closing credits. That scene with Rose, Maria and Sinha was in the season 2 credits if I recall correctly.
ITS INSANE how much of this can be seen in the anime closing credits. That scene with Rose, Maria and Sinha was in the season 2 credits if I recall correctly.
I just keep moving forward, until Isayama releases a chapter without a blueballing cliffhanger in the last page
Man I hope the studio delivering the last season lives up to the wonderful work WIT has done so far.
This story really deserves the best possible treatment.
This story really deserves the best possible treatment.
He already said it. He's going to kill everyone else until all of his people's enemies are dead.
He's willing to take someone else's freedom if it means preserving his own. He said this in the last chapter.
Basically, ethnic cleansing but more brutally than his brother's version and a different target that involves more people.
Yeah seriously. That closing is basically 70% of this chapter minus context. It's crazy how much forethought has gone into this.
It's gonna be WILD watching these chapters animated
What a chapter, another "wait that's the last page how is that the last page"
What a chapter, another "wait that's the last page how is that the last page"
is Ymir still in the paths dimension or did she leave after this? Is anyone else going to be able to shift, ever, if she leaves with Eren now? Who would sculpt their bodies?
It's weird and annoying as shit.It's hilarious that you always try to do this shit and it always ends in the same way
Attack on Titan's endgame has sure gotten interesting (full manga spoilers)
So a while ago, the main twist of the series was revealed that the series is a WW2 AU where the Titans are Jews. People had a variety of reactions to this, one claiming that since the Jews were still the main characters and sympathetic that the ability for Jews to turn into giant zombies isn't...www.resetera.com
Motherfucker
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He pulled the trigger on The Rumbling, goddamn I didn't think Isayama would actually do it
What an amazing payoff for Ymir's eyes being hidden all this time. Fuck this is going to be INSANE animated
What an amazing payoff for Ymir's eyes being hidden all this time. Fuck this is going to be INSANE animated
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Helos was just a fucking dude who tried killing the King and accidentally killed Ymir (spear through the spine) instead. They explained EVERYTHING.
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It's really not that complicated. It's a stable timeloop.
Eren via the Attack Titan can see not only the fate of past Attack Titans (like the other Titans) but can see the fate of future Attack Titans as can any wielder of the Attack Titan. Wielders can't see their own fate though buuuuut Eren cheated when he came in contact with Historia and he saw his own fate through Grisha's memories.
He's also said that Game of Thrones is going to influence his work years ago and I get the feeling that this part of Eren's time powers were influenced to some extent by Bran's powers.
It's insane how well planned this whole ride has been. What a fucking legend.
It would not surprise me if he had laid out a fuck ton of key events from almost day one.
His editors are champs too for letting him tell the story at his own pace. Takes a lot of trust to let him do the shit he did and it's paying off spectacularly
Yeah for sure. You know this guy has a gigantic ass story bible with mind maps and stuff with more detail than most academic textbooks.
I hope authors take note and have their entire story and plot points nailed before working on the first chapter. I know I will if I ever decide to write something.
This is also true. I feel bad for the authors that have an amazing premise, only to have it all gutted due to publisher and editor pressure.
They even went out of their way to have Zeke resemble the first king Fritz uncannily. If his hair was slicked back, they would look identical. Drawing parallels that would make it even easier for Ymir to make her decision. She finally gets the retribution she should have had back then.
This is the scene where Fritz tells Ymir to kill the Marleyans replaying all over again but instead "this" Fritz is telling her to kill all Eldians.
But she ain't having it this time! Eren was the wildcard.
This is the scene where Fritz tells Ymir to kill the Marleyans replaying all over again but instead "this" Fritz is telling her to kill all Eldians.
But she ain't having it this time! Eren was the wildcard.
Isayama is amazing
Can you or someone explain this more fully?
Now how does that relate to this:
Eren can see the past (attributable to the founder, or a common ability of all titans I think?) and the future (thanks to the attack). He can see the future of the next attack titan inheritor, but not his own. Nonetheless, he was able to use his ability to look into the past to see Grisha's vision of Eren's future? So that way Eren knew he would somehow reach the paths world? Is that right?
Now how does that relate to this:
Holy shit, was this really the full circle moment?
I am in fucking shamblesWhich could mean Eren saw everything up until this final memory of Ymir. His last memory he saw that day was of Ymir starting the rumbling.
If this is Eren's final memory (presumably from him using Grisha to see his future) does this suggest that this is where Eren dies?
So, this is why I edited my post earlier, and this is my thoughts on that
On that day specifically, Eren saw the memories only of the past founders. So the last memory of a past founder he had was of Ymir. So, in a way, he saw a little of his future at that moment. But the drawback was he couldn't remember it because when he woke up, he couldn't remember what had happened.
fast forward to when he made contact with Historia, Eren broke the game.. he can see into his future for god knows how far. Idk anymore. Maybe he saw into the last day of his life that day.
Given this theory, idk why he said mikasas hair was different in his dream. Maybe he was mistaking her for someone else or maybe he saw her through grisha's memories that first day they met her but I don't recall her hair being different then.
so it's not a perfect theory but it would be amazing if the first time we see eren in the series is when he wakes up when the rumbling occurs.
I'd really like that lol
fast forward to when he made contact with Historia, Eren broke the game.. he can see into his future for god knows how far. Idk anymore. Maybe he saw into the last day of his life that day.
Given this theory, idk why he said mikasas hair was different in his dream. Maybe he was mistaking her for someone else or maybe he saw her through grisha's memories that first day they met her but I don't recall her hair being different then.
so it's not a perfect theory but it would be amazing if the first time we see eren in the series is when he wakes up when the rumbling occurs.
I'd really like that lol
and it would make sense given the name of the chapter
Zeke looks a bit like an idiot ordering Ymir around to euthanize Eldians... Wouldn't freeing her free the world of titans, thus allowing Eldians to leave peacefully?
How is Eren able to see Ymir then if he hadn't inherited any titan powers at the time (ch 1)? And how does touching Historia allow him to see further into the future? I thought the royal blood contact thing was for using the founding titan abilities, not enhancing the precogbition ability of a attack titan inheritor?
Well, all we know is he saw something that day, there's no way of knowing everything he saw yet.
as for how he was able to see the future by making contact with historia, this is what he said
We know that the attack on titan hosts can see into the memories of the future hosts, and we also know that the founding titans can look into the memories of past founding titans, so Eren combined the two habilities when he touched historia: first he saw into Grisha's memories (past) using the founding power (remember that Grisha also had the coordinate at the time) and then he saw into Grisha's succesor (Eren) memories (future), his own future.
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Eren hasn't seen any future memories. He has never indicated he has except the ones he saw through his father. It suggests that there is no future Attack Titan, this confrontation is the end of the Attack Titan line and presumably the end of all titans.