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It's also a fictional story. I'm with those that think you need to chill on drawing real life conclusions based on how people feel about a fictional story.
I fucking wanted Light to win in Death Note, because it WASN'T REAL.
The way it was drawn, I wondered if everyone was teleported to that location in their minds or if they just heard him. It was drawn where it wasn't 100% clear by the end.Eren with that discord tech
Imagine eating breakfast reading a book and then randomly being teleported to Hueco Mundo.
Oh shit, you just made me realize that Annie probably heard Eren's paths-talk in this chapter :O
Yeah someone else pointed it out to me and I was like holy crap that crazy man Isayama did it.
Eren putting her dad in danger is pretty much the only thing that could get her off the sidelines.
"it's just a joke, bro"
I find genocidal jokes as funny as rape jokes. Not at all.
Especially since I belong to a group that has dealt with genocide.
Anyways, if the story is trying to make you think that the genocide of other ethnicities was the only way then it's likely a fascist narrative.
Doesn't help there's a dude in here that thinks we're all pro-genocide for enjoying this chapter, but I guess that's fucking Resetera for you.
The genocide in this story isn't really ethnicity based though, it's more based on where you live. Eldians outside of Paradis are also going to be stomped. Please drop this dumb crusade.
Your welcome.
I enjoyed the chapter and feel vinidcated that I was right about Eren.
But I don't support Eren and think he's a jackass that deserves another bullet to the head from Gabi.
The people that support Eren (and also think he intends genocide) are the ones I have issue with.
1) It's Flowers 2) You are making a lot of assumptions about where the story is going, especially when the story has stopped portraying Eren as a hero. You can't talk to me about subtext while ignoring how the narrative is framing Eren as the bad guy here with Mikasa regretting she couldn't stop him, our other group of more reasonable people getting ousted for crazy followers, focusing a character arc on someone realizing that her upbringing as a child soldier might have ruined her perception of other people. All it does is tell me you are either very selective in your reading of subtext or don't actually know what subtext is.
3) You are SUPER VALID TO BE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT! Like fuck those people saying that. That's also and would make me uncomfortable too. But also you're not with trumpers right now. This isn't reddit. Era doesn't have a TrumpOT that's just r/thedonald memes. Don't give those people slack but atleast have some faith your fellow Era members aren't pro genocide.
Yeah we may be talking about one thing but dude that's fucked up...
OH FUCKING SNAP!
Not really. This is usually how it goes whenever a new chapter comes out.
I already addressed that in a different post.
Can we agree to wait until the end before we decide if the work is fascist or not?
If Eren wins, the world gets genocides and all is portrayed as a happy ending. Then yes, maybe AoT is, indeed, a fascist work.
But if Eren is stopped and genocide does not happen, and it is portrayed as a good thing, then no, how can AoT be portrayed as a fascist work?
What is worth of debate, however, is seeing people online fully agreeing with Eren if they believe there is no final twist in his plan. It is one thing to trust that Eren will pull out a Lelouch or a Sasuke or another twist. It is another to trust that his genocide is morally justifiable (I am not accusing people who wants the world genocide for the sake of story itself, btw)
Also side note: we can all lay off gunslinger a bit. Like come on people, you can disagree with him but at least try and focus on the chapter that just came out. This is the AoT thread, i came here hoping to talk about AoT....
I'm only playing with him at this point. He has a somewhat valid opinion in the sense that you shouldn't be for genocide(duh).
However, sometimes you can root for the villain without stanning their philosophy in real life. Kuja in FF9 is my favorite villain and I love his selfish, bratty, murder the universe philosophy without actually wanting to murder the universe myself.
With regards to Zeke- the series was very careful to show why Zeke was wrong. Zeke wanting to rid the world of the Titans because they were too destructive is a noble goal but it's been shown that he fundamentally misunderstands the current circumstances he lives in. Zeke wants to remove the living WMDs that are the titans, and thus the conflict over those resources. But their world is modernizing very quickly to where the Titans are going to be outclassed by science within a pretty short timeframe (hi nuclear weapons) and thus the argument that you're taking tools of mass destruction off the table doesn't hold. He also doesn't fundamentally understand the nature of human conflict, that it will continue to occur with or without the Eldians around, because the fundamental problem is people, not a Hatfield/McCoy continental grudge match spanning Millennia.
I like this point you just made but what ramifications does that philosophy have for the real world? Weapons of mass destruction exist so it's better if all humans are dead?
Probably mostly that it's better if everyone's on the same footing, and that unilateral disarmament is not a good idea?
Makes sense. I wonder what AoT would have been like if Paradis got woke during the atomic era. I guess it would have been too late for them to do anything.
Probs get nuked by whatever the equivalent of America is in this world.
The moment he used the Polygon article it became clear that he's arguing in bad faith, also:
A worse done version of that:
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Wasn't Nazi Germany somewhat close to getting the bomb? I suddenly have images in my head of the Beast Titan whipping nuclear payloads deep inside the walls.
I honestly don't care what kind of faith he's arguing in. He's entitled to his opinions and people are entitled to react but we really don't need a whole thread versus one person. That's excessive and not what yhr thread is about.
The moment he used the Polygon article it became clear that he's arguing in bad faith, also:
Daenerys' story turns the heroine into a fascist villain/hero same as Eren.
GOT completely destroys her for it though.
I don't believe AOT will.
Sure he's entitled to his opinions, in the sense that he can think Eren is wrong. He's not entitled to think we're all pro-real-life-genocide for enjoying whatever degree of karmic righteousness Eren may be exacting upon humanity atm in a fictional manga.
I love Thanos, doesn't mean I support wiping out half of all life.
I love Bakugo too, doesn't mean I'm for bullying.
You can enjoy characters without agreeing with their actions. Hell, look at the Joker movie
I love Bakugo too, doesn't mean I'm for bullying.
You can enjoy characters without agreeing with their actions. Hell, look at the Joker movie
What karmic righteousness is there to be found in the slaughter women and children?
Hell, he might even be slaughtering the biggest victims of Marley which are the Eldians that were left behind in Marley.
Sure, I never said anything differently. I like Draco but I don't support his actions.
If I say "I support Draco's racism towards Muggles" and unironically say "Fuck Mudbloods" the Im am asshole.
Mikasa saying Eren was family to her
Poor Armin, he was happy for about 30 seconds before realizing that all the walls were awakened.
Poor Armin, he was happy for about 30 seconds before realizing that all the walls were awakened.
Only it's not, it's much more active this month.
But at least you tried to be right
I am becoming more open to Eren's plan having "final twist".
He didn't need to communicate to the Eldians what he was going to do. He could just do it. However, by communicating with ALL Eldians. He is:
- Warning the overseas Eldians what is coming for them AND the other races. This ways, Eldians can warn everyone if the threat and help evacuate the coasts.
- it warns all Eldians in Paradis what he intends to do. He knows that his friends would not agree to the plan, so keeping his mouth shut was the best way to put then out of his way.
By spelling his plan, he is giving Armin and Mikasa, people who do not agree with genocide, the push needed to finally turn against him.
Maybe he really is pulling a Lelouch, and may have gotten inspiration from Pixis. Would make that scene quite funny
He didn't need to communicate to the Eldians what he was going to do. He could just do it. However, by communicating with ALL Eldians. He is:
- Warning the overseas Eldians what is coming for them AND the other races. This ways, Eldians can warn everyone if the threat and help evacuate the coasts.
- it warns all Eldians in Paradis what he intends to do. He knows that his friends would not agree to the plan, so keeping his mouth shut was the best way to put then out of his way.
By spelling his plan, he is giving Armin and Mikasa, people who do not agree with genocide, the push needed to finally turn against him.
Maybe he really is pulling a Lelouch, and may have gotten inspiration from Pixis. Would make that scene quite funny
I honestly wouldn't care that much. It's fiction.
I have real racism to worry about
Is it? I dont follow the thread all month long. All I know is when a new chapter comes out it jumps by a good few pages each time
Discussion begins to fizz out around the two page mark. It's already 5 pages in and the chapter released today.
I dunno, I aint too worried cause they aint real. Eren's the biggest bastard in his own not-actually-existing world.
Then it's not karmic righteousness.
And?
It's a popular story marketed towards teenagers. In a vacuum, it doesn't matter but stories sell ideas to its audience.
Let's say that I'm right and the story wants to resolve its story with its main protagonist committing genocide against every other group that's not part of his home. What's the message? What's the takeaway?
i dont understand this sexist bullshit you have repeated several times,
can you tell me why you differentiate women from men in this scenario?
like, you are trying to equalize children to women for some reason.
I don't think you understand what people mean by karmic righteousness.
Habitual use. It's a late 19th century inspired era where they don't typically involve female soldiers but AOT does or at least they do in Paradise and Marley
Thanks for pointing that out
Well explain if you know.
I mean the poster that said that didn't know what he meant
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FWIW I don't think the story will end with Eren destroying the world, cause it doesn't feel like this is what Isayama has been builting up to. The events unfolding right now are obviously horrific and the characters are reacting like this is obviously wrong. I don't think people here want to stan for Eren ... at the same time, if Isayama throws a curveball and ends the story like this, what kind of meaning are we supposed to get from the entire series? Conflicts are inevitable, so the solution is to destroy everything so that there can be no conflict?
I've been team Armin from the start, the smoking gun's been there since serumbowl, he will save the world. With possible aid from Reiner who has been not-so-subtly paralleled to Helos in the last few chapters.
I've been team Armin from the start, the smoking gun's been there since serumbowl, he will save the world. With possible aid from Reiner who has been not-so-subtly paralleled to Helos in the last few chapters.
I'd be really devastated if Isayama actually has Eren kill the world and portray him heroically in any sense of the word. That would actually turn my favorite story of all time into one that I can't see myself ever praising again. I don't think he's gonna take it that route, but that would be the biggest buzzkill of all time for me if he did.
Do you think that he would draw the face of the heroe of the story like this?
