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Attorney Michael Avenatti hints $1.6 million abortion payout was for Trump — not GOP donor

tsmoreau

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Kernel said:
Trump isn't a Republican.

They're definitely capable of turning on each other, see RINO.

And I think some evangelicals definately will drop him, the mental gymnastics required should blow out some fuses in some people.
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Right, because we've seen absolutely no in-group loyalty shown to Trump by Republicans, we have in fact only seen the Republicans have stuck to their state values.

Come on now. I get your weird semantic absolutist point, but it doesn't exactly describe what's been going on, nor what I think we can realistically expect.

If the Republicans turn on their own it's NOT because of betrayal of stated values, but because they endanger tribal safety. Republicans will turn on Trump when he damages the tribe too much, not when he crosses some more or moral-value-based line.

Again, come on now.
 
Principate

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The problem with this is that even if it was Trump it would be far more difficult to definitely prove something to actually pin on him. There's already a fall guy she was well payed and thus less likely to go after him. Unless there's some paternity test that exists or records of this entire endeavour it's much harder to link back directly to Trump.
 

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If Cohen has tapes and they have confiscated something like 15 cell phones it isn't that hard to imagine there's hard evidence of the payout being for Trump and not Broidy.
 
Byakuya769

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"So what if Trump killed one baby, imagine the millions Gorsuch will save!"

Expect to see this refrain.
 
Kernel

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tsmoreau said:
Right, because we've seen absolutely no in-group loyalty shown to Trump by Republicans, we have in fact only seen the Republicans have stuck to their state values.

Come on now. I get your weird semantic absolutist point, but it doesn't exactly describe what's been going on, nor what I think we can realistically expect.

If the Republicans turn on their own it's NOT because of betrayal of stated values, but because they endanger tribal safety. Republicans will turn on Trump when he damages the tribe too much, not when he crosses some more or moral-value-based line.

Again, come on now.
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I am just saying he will damage their tribal safety if he costs them any significant amount of pro-life voters for the midterms and beyond by crossing this moral-values line.
 
Raven117

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Honestly, no shit. If you read that settlement from Cohen (the one to Stormy), the language in there about paternity tests and things like that, it was obvious that he had run into issues with this.
 
LukeOP

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Kernel said:
I am just saying he will damage their tribal safety if he costs them any significant amount of pro-life voters for the midterms and beyond by crossing this moral-values line.
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I have news for you, evangelicals do not care if rich white guys get abortions.

They only want to increase the burden on minorities, hence the stance they take on all their issues.
 
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Wilsongt

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The right-wing attacked Booker recently by saying if he was for gay rights, why did he vote against a gay ambassador to Germany.

The right will say "If libruls are for abortion, then why are they attacking Trump for having a girl abort and unwanted pregnancy?"
 
Freakzilla

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Damn.
 
jayu26

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Thorn said:
Ooooh if Trump ordered the Abortion, I'd love to see evangelicals spin it.

They'll spin it, but I just wanna see how pretzel shape they get.
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"It was Anti-Christ, so it had to be aborted."

"But that would mean that Trump is the Devil or at least in cahoots with the Devil, because it was Trump's spawn."

"Shhh, do not blasphem."
 
Kernel

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LukeOP said:
I have news for you, evangelicals do not care if rich white guys get abortions.

They only want to increase the burden on minorities, hence the stance they take on all their issues.
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Tim Murphy resigned once his abortion hypocrisy came to light and then Conor Lamb won the district, and this was for suggesting an abortion.

GOP is scared (and can't afford to lose support) of pro-life voters
 
Cow Mengde

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Principate said:
The problem with this is that even if it was Trump it would be far more difficult to definitely prove something to actually pin on him. There's already a fall guy she was well payed and thus less likely to go after him. Unless there's some paternity test that exists or records of this entire endeavour it's much harder to link back directly to Trump.
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I agree. This is the biggest hurdle. Unless some proof can be provided, it's impossible to pin it on Trump. Sounds like they didn't even do a paternity test. I mean, we can prove Trump is unfaithful, but without DNA testing, how can we pin it on Trump?
 
skullmuffins

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Raven117 said:
Honestly, no shit. If you read that settlement from Cohen (the one to Stormy), the language in there about paternity tests and things like that, it was obvious that he had run into issues with this.
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CNN had some reporting yesterday that the shoddy contract was drafted by Keith Davidson. If the boilerplate paternity language in Stormy's contract came from Davidson and not Cohen then that would undercut the idea that it's a sign that Trump has more problematic contracts out there (though I'd say it's still a near-certainty that Trump has had pregnancy scares, abortions, or other children that we don't yet know about).
 
SpankyDoodle

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Wilsongt said:
The right-wing attacked Booker recently by saying if he was for gay rights, why did he vote against a gay ambassador to Germany.

The right will say "If libruls are for abortion, then why are they attacking Trump for having a girl abort and unwanted pregnancy?"
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There it is, that's the kind of spin I was talking about previously. They won't even try to spin it they're just deflect won't they.

Dem on CNN: And now we're finding out he paid for an abortion! A Republican paid for an abortion??
Rep on CNN: You know I always thought you liberals were FOR abortions, now you're attacking a man for getting one?
Dem: I'm pointing out the hypocrisy--
Rep: The hypocrisy here is you championing pro-choice ideals and as soon as a conservative does it you jump on him--

Yep. I can totally see that happening.
 

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Kernel said:
GOP is scared (and can't afford to lose support) of pro-life voters
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100%. If they lose the single issue pro-life voters then just imagine how much more work they will need to do. They'll need policies, they'll need to explain statements, tell the truth, and in general work hard to win the support of all Americans, not just those people who vote for them blindly by default.

Seems tough.
 
Ether_Snake

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Any of the women who slept with Trump probably did so as escorts. No way Stormy Daniels went back to Trump's house to talk about a spot on a TV show and instead ended up staying there for four hours watching Shark Week and then left. This shit is so common, so many Instagram models doing this.
 

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Found this amazing well sourced writeup on why Broidy is a fall guy for Trump. Go to source for links.

https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/co...del_will_sue_trump_if_he_calls_her_a/dxmtktm/

I am betting that is a cover story. They have gone to extra lengths to cover for Trump on this because she got pregnant AND there was an abortion. There are just too many inconsistencies and it fits Trump's pattern.

"Toward the end of the evening, I found myself in a small circle, conversing with Trump, Hefner and another contestant. With a wry smile, Trump looked at Hefner and said, 'It's hard for me to tell which of these girls are yours and which ones are mine.'"

  • According to the author Michael Wolfe "Trump liked to say that one of the things that made life worth living was getting your friends' wives into bed".

  • In 2015, Hefner hailed Trump's candidacy for President. But then in 2016, he soured on Trump. According to Newsweek:
"The Trump-Hefner relationship soured....Hefner's son, Cooper Hefner, in an August interview with Hollywood Reporter, spoke about his feelings regarding Trump."We don't respect the guy," Cooper said of Trump and his presidency.

  • There is recent videoTrump at the Playboy Mansion in 2015same Delaware limited-liability company "Essential Consultants LLC" to pay Bechard that he used to pay Stormy Daniels. Broidy paid the money into the account of Cohen's company.

  • Cohen effectively had only one client - Donald Trump. So why would Cohen now suddenly be representing Broidy in this matter unless it in some way directly involved Trump?

  • According to Broidy's own statement, he only hired Cohen supposedly AFTER he was told that Shera Bechard was using a lawyer that Cohen knew.
"Mr. Cohen reached out to me after being contacted by this woman's attorney, Keith Davidson," Broidy said in his statement. "Although I had not previously hired Mr. Cohen, I retained Mr. Cohen after he informed me about his prior relationship with Mr. Davidson."

So how did Shera Bechard get introduced to the same lawyer as Stormy Daniels and McDougal? Makes no sense.

  • According to sources the contract explicitly did not address paternity or even proof of who was the father. Why would you agree to pay $1.6 million and then explicitly exclude any proof of paternity?
Ms. Bechard claimed that she became pregnant and that Mr. Broidy was the father, but the contract states that matters relating to the alleged pregnancy and paternity of the alleged child are excluded from the claims resolved in the agreement, the person familiar with the matter said. Ms. Bechard declined to provide proof that she was pregnant with Mr. Broidy's child, the contract says, according to the person familiar with the matter.

  • Elliott Broidy has a track of paying large sums of money to gain influence. In 2009...
Elliott Broidy, a California venture capitalist, pleaded guilty on Thursday to charges that he helped his company land a lucrative deal with New York's public pension fund by giving nearly $1 million worth of illegal gifts to state officials.

  • He also has a track record of faking a contract in order to hide a payment to government officials
Another state official, prosecutors said, was rewarded indirectly by Mr. Broidy when his relative was given a fake consulting contract worth more than $380,000.

  • It is reported that Cohen took out a home equity loan in order to finance the payment to Stormy Daniels. If indeed Cohen was negotiating to pay off Shera Bechard, then in all likelihood he would have been unable to raise that kind of money himself. So this is where Broidy comes in. And Broidy had a very strong motive for doing this for Cohen/Trump - As reported, Broidy was selling his influence/access to the President to Nader and the UAE for huge sums of money.
Mr. Nader tempted the fund-raiser, Mr. Broidy, with the prospect of more than $1 billion in contracts for his private security company, Circinus, and he helped deliver deals worth more than $200 million with the United Arab Emirates. He also flattered Mr. Broidy about "how well you handle Chairman," a reference to Mr. Trump...

A deal of this nature - paying for Trump's mistress/abortion and providing cover - would act as perfect leverage. It would be a great investment.

  • And really, are we expected to believe that a celebrity obsessed Playboy model would have an ongoing affair with the anonymous (and quite overweight and unattractive) Republican donor Elliot Broidy? Really?
And for motive: this scandal had the potential to do Trump far more damage than many of the past scandals. Stormy Daniels was written off by evangelical Christians because it was a long time ago and he is a changed man now. If it's revealed he was having an affair recently, during the campaign, AND he paid the woman to have an abortion, it leaves no room for evangelicals to hide. Even for the most flexible evangelicals, that becomes basically impossible to justify. And I think Trump knows this. The evangelical Christian base is the foundation/glue of his Presidency. Without it, he's finished. And Broidy is a big Republican money guy and expert money launderer. I am betting Cohen knew he had to find big money to pay her so he went to Broidy for help.

Time will tell.

EDIT: Another update: I just re-read the statement from Shera Bechard that was release via her lawyer

"Ms. Bechard is deeply distressed that someone has revealed information about her and Elliott Broidy. She had no intention to publicly disclose this painful information and asks for respect for his privacy at this difficult time." I could be reading too much into this but that appears to be very carefully worded in terms of the connection between Bechard and Broidy.

EDIT 2: Update: Michael Avenetti hints the perhaps Broidy was not the client in connection with the $1.6 million settlement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF9-3JzdGXE#t=4m00s
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phisheep

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Broidy resigned his post at the RNC the same day everything came out. He may be rich but as far as the public is concerned he's a nobody. No one cares about him.
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And that is suggestive to me. He's a nobody, deputy finance chairs for the RNC are two a penny so it wouldn't matter if he got shamed. Not even very newsworthy. So a $1.6m settlement seems extreme. Could easily have been settled for about half a million if it were Broidy. Therefore, not Broidy.
 
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