Australia 2019 Federal Election |OT| Scott Morrison shat his pants at Engadine Maccas in 1997 after the Sharks lost the Grand Final

Oct 25, 2017
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Second greatest truck: convincing people unions are bad. Go figure.
They are bad from the perspective of business owners and managers. It ought to lead to at least a slightly adversarial relationship between labour and capital, or the union isn’t functioning as intended.

It might be a reasonable assessment that a particular union has gone too far in its demand is making otherwise profitable projects non viable, thus eliminating jobs that might otherwise existed. By the same token though, the owners of capital have an interest in crying poor whenever workers ask for better pay and conditions, so they will always say that.

It’s complicated, though I agree, an anti-union wage worker is a bit of a conundrum.
 

remz

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Oct 25, 2017
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They are bad from the perspective of business owners and managers. It ought to lead to at least a slightly adversarial relationship between labour and capital, or the union isn’t functioning as intended.

It might be a reasonable assessment that a particular union has gone too far in its demand is making otherwise profitable projects non viable, thus eliminating jobs that might otherwise existed. By the same token though, the owners of capital have an interest in crying poor whenever workers ask for better pay and conditions, so they will always say that.

It’s complicated, though I agree, an anti-union wage worker is a bit of a conundrum.
how many people are business owners vs workers though. even some business owners (ie farmers) are fucked without their weak unions empowering against supermarkets and etc. and sooo many farmers are still anti union
 
Oct 25, 2017
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how many people are business owners vs workers though. even some business owners (ie farmers) are fucked without their weak unions empowering against supermarkets and etc. and sooo many farmers are still anti union
It’s still possible to hold a position that union overreach actively hurts your cause or undermine principles that you hold dear.

That assumes of course that people arrive at their political positions after careful thought, consideration of their own values and how these align with party platforms.
 

bomma man

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Oct 25, 2017
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A guy from work ran some number for me, trying to work out the make up of the senate if seats were apportioned per capita rather than fixed (extrapolated from the current make up). Turns out, not much different!

If you stick with 76 seats and round so the NT gets one:

L/NP: 36
ALP: 28
GRN: 8
CA: 1
ON: 2

151 seats (rough proxy for if we had a unicameral proportional system):

L/NP: 74
ALP: 52
GRN: 17
CA: 2
ON: 5
AC: 1