Australia coronavirus discussion

Antiwhippy

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Oct 25, 2017
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If there's one good thing that comes out of this I hope it's that the socialist structures that Neoliberals say are impossible to implement are actually very possible and can be implemented surprisingly quickly.
 

endlessflood

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Oct 28, 2017
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One more, we're not testing enough yet since we have a test shortage and are only testing likely cases at the moment instead of wide spread testing like they have in SK.
I’m not sure if it’s changed over the last couple of days, but we’ve done more tests per capita than South Korea according to the Sydney Morning Herald. We’ve done a fucktonne of testing.
 

Antiwhippy

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Oct 25, 2017
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We've been very selective with our tests though. Mostly from people who caught it overseas. Not a lot on community testing. It makes sense to be selective. It's not like there are a lot of test kits to go around,

That might be the right path though. The results will only really show 2 weeks from now.
 
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Oct 28, 2017
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So what do we think the reason is our numbers don't seem to be following the pattern we're seeing in other countries? Certainly don't think it's because we're somehow better at following social distancing guidelines. Is it just because we're not actually in flu season yet unlike the northern hemisphere?
Possibly low levels of community transmission due to population density, misleading data due to the cruise ship spikes or some sort of base level misunderstanding about how frequently COVID-19 actually manifests symptoms.

Honestly, the data about COVID-19 is all over the place, which is why you end up with the Imperial model in the UK predicting mass infections/deaths while the Oxford model suggests the possibility that a large percentage of the country has already had the virus and simply didn't know it.
 

Kyser73

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Oct 25, 2017
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I absolutely believe population density and housing type is playing a big role in slowing the spread.

I was out on my allotted exercise time yesterday (and also noted that a LOT more people are exercising too) and looking around my suburb and comparing it to the images we see from Europe and it isn't hard to see how much lower density and proximity to your neighbours is here.
 

Ozzy Onya A2Z

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Oct 28, 2017
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Capitalist exploitation: i sleep


Chinese trying to secure important supplies: real shit
Calling 90% of business owners awful cunts gets a free pass from you? Ok mate, keep on trucking.

EDIT: I'm aware of a systemic hospitality industry wide wage issue. Nowhere near 90% though. Also doesn't take into account the distribution chain, return to work issues down the track, solid min. wage in Australia etc.
 
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bomma man

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Oct 25, 2017
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Calling 90% of business owners awful cunts gets a free pass from you? Ok mate, keep on trucking.

EDIT: I'm aware of a systemic hospitality industry wide wage issue. Nowhere near 90% though. Also doesn't take into account the distribution chain, return to work issues down the track, solid min. wage in Australia etc.
A friend who works in employment law estimates that roughly 80% of hospo businesses underpay or otherwise don’t comply with awards, so it’s probably not far off.
 

Antiwhippy

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Also how does this apply to businesses that shutter down previously?

Can they reopen, rehire thier staff and apply for it?
 

Maximo

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Oct 25, 2017
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So this does nothing for those that have been already laid off? And doesn't do much for businesses that are not open due to not being *essential* and doesn't apply for people that have been casual under 12 months....
 

D.Lo

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Oct 25, 2017
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So... is this post or pre tax?
It would be pre-tax.

So this does nothing for those that have been already laid off? And doesn't do much for businesses that are not open due to not being *essential* and doesn't apply for people that have been casual under 12 months....
No slomo fan, but you can't cover every single scenario.

In the meantime the dole is now only $300 a month under minimum wage.
 

Antiwhippy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Huh ok.

Honestly this is a lot to take in, but other than for casual workers and freelancers this doesn't seem terrible.
 

D.Lo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Huh ok.

Honestly this is a lot to take in, but other than for casual workers and freelancers this doesn't seem terrible.
Some casual workers could get a pay rise, or minimum get all their current pay.

I think it's about as good as is possible. There will still be some losers (if your revenue goes down only 25% you get nothing - would you think about deliberately tanking an extra 6% to get all your staff subsidised?).