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Gotten vaccinated yet?

  • Had my first dose!

    Votes: 33 23.6%
  • Had my second dose and fully vaccinated!

    Votes: 86 61.4%
  • Nope!

    Votes: 21 15.0%

  • Total voters
    140
  • Poll closed .

Antiwhippy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
33,458
If there's one good thing that comes out of this I hope it's that the socialist structures that Neoliberals say are impossible to implement are actually very possible and can be implemented surprisingly quickly.
 

bomma man

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,068
I think one thing that might help also is that Australia by nature has an incredibly low density of people per area.

Even at its busiest Sydney and Melbourne isn't anywhere near new york or a typical city in Asia.

I think this might be it, sparsely populated giant island seems like relative easy mode for containing a virus?
 

Antiwhippy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
33,458
We've been very selective with our tests though. Mostly from people who caught it overseas. Not a lot on community testing. It makes sense to be selective. It's not like there are a lot of test kits to go around,

That might be the right path though. The results will only really show 2 weeks from now.
 
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Oct 28, 2017
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So what do we think the reason is our numbers don't seem to be following the pattern we're seeing in other countries? Certainly don't think it's because we're somehow better at following social distancing guidelines. Is it just because we're not actually in flu season yet unlike the northern hemisphere?

Possibly low levels of community transmission due to population density, misleading data due to the cruise ship spikes or some sort of base level misunderstanding about how frequently COVID-19 actually manifests symptoms.

Honestly, the data about COVID-19 is all over the place, which is why you end up with the Imperial model in the UK predicting mass infections/deaths while the Oxford model suggests the possibility that a large percentage of the country has already had the virus and simply didn't know it.
 

Penny Royal

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
4,158
QLD, Australia
I absolutely believe population density and housing type is playing a big role in slowing the spread.

I was out on my allotted exercise time yesterday (and also noted that a LOT more people are exercising too) and looking around my suburb and comparing it to the images we see from Europe and it isn't hard to see how much lower density and proximity to your neighbours is here.
 
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Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
3,169
I think for Vic this is because some towns in NSW close to the Vic border relies on hospitals near the border.
Yeah that's what I'm thinking with the Wodonga/Albury border being so crucial.

Unfortunately for me, that means I'm still trekking 12 hours from home to work to home to work.
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Oct 28, 2017
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Capitalist exploitation: i sleep


Chinese trying to secure important supplies: real shit

Calling 90% of business owners awful cunts gets a free pass from you? Ok mate, keep on trucking.

EDIT: I'm aware of a systemic hospitality industry wide wage issue. Nowhere near 90% though. Also doesn't take into account the distribution chain, return to work issues down the track, solid min. wage in Australia etc.
 
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bomma man

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Oct 25, 2017
3,068
Calling 90% of business owners awful cunts gets a free pass from you? Ok mate, keep on trucking.

EDIT: I'm aware of a systemic hospitality industry wide wage issue. Nowhere near 90% though. Also doesn't take into account the distribution chain, return to work issues down the track, solid min. wage in Australia etc.

A friend who works in employment law estimates that roughly 80% of hospo businesses underpay or otherwise don't comply with awards, so it's probably not far off.
 

Antiwhippy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
33,458
Also how does this apply to businesses that shutter down previously?

Can they reopen, rehire thier staff and apply for it?
 

Maximo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,152
So this does nothing for those that have been already laid off? And doesn't do much for businesses that are not open due to not being *essential* and doesn't apply for people that have been casual under 12 months....
 

D.Lo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,348
Sydney
So... is this post or pre tax?
It would be pre-tax.

So this does nothing for those that have been already laid off? And doesn't do much for businesses that are not open due to not being *essential* and doesn't apply for people that have been casual under 12 months....
No slomo fan, but you can't cover every single scenario.

In the meantime the dole is now only $300 a month under minimum wage.
 

Antiwhippy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
33,458
Huh ok.

Honestly this is a lot to take in, but other than for casual workers and freelancers this doesn't seem terrible.
 

D.Lo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,348
Sydney
Huh ok.

Honestly this is a lot to take in, but other than for casual workers and freelancers this doesn't seem terrible.
Some casual workers could get a pay rise, or minimum get all their current pay.

I think it's about as good as is possible. There will still be some losers (if your revenue goes down only 25% you get nothing - would you think about deliberately tanking an extra 6% to get all your staff subsidised?).
 

Penny Royal

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
4,158
QLD, Australia
Here's the summary from the Guardian feed:


It is worth up to $1500 a fortnight, per employee

If you earn under that, the government will effectively be subsidising your entire wage

If you earn over that, your employer would have to top it up

If you were on the books on March 1 you are eligible (even if stood down since that time)

To return to the books, you would have to work that out with your employer

The government will backdate payments to today.

Employers are encouraged to keep paying employees, with the understanding the government will reimburse them $1500 a fortnight, per employee, backdated to today

New Zealanders on the 444 visa will be included

All other temporary visa holders will not although conversations are "under way"

It does not include superannuation

It will be delivered through existing systems at the ATO

It will cost $130bn over six months.
 

Trevelyon

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Oct 30, 2017
560
So, I'm unaffected by the virus at my work (retail) I make under $1500 usually, would I be topped up to that amount each fortnight?
 
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Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
3,169
Here's the summary from the Guardian feed:


It is worth up to $1500 a fortnight, per employee

If you earn under that, the government will effectively be subsidising your entire wage

If you earn over that, your employer would have to top it up

If you were on the books on March 1 you are eligible (even if stood down since that time)

To return to the books, you would have to work that out with your employer

The government will backdate payments to today.

Employers are encouraged to keep paying employees, with the understanding the government will reimburse them $1500 a fortnight, per employee, backdated to today

New Zealanders on the 444 visa will be included

All other temporary visa holders will not although conversations are "under way"

It does not include superannuation

It will be delivered through existing systems at the ATO

It will cost $130bn over six months.

Are workers still eligible for JobSeekers then?
 

Jintor

Saw the truth behind the copied door
Member
Oct 25, 2017
32,378
soooooooooo between the travel bans and the work subsidy stuff whats gonna happen to the fruit pickers ey

remember when everybody was freaking out a few years back (or was it months who knows anymore) over the visa stuff and how that would decimate crop picking or whatever it was
 

Jintor

Saw the truth behind the copied door
Member
Oct 25, 2017
32,378
In the meantime the dole is now only $300 a month under minimum wage.

i wonder if they'll still monkey with it now that 'real australians' are now covered by the wage stuff and they've minimised people's exposure to the mockery that is a defunded centerlink
 

Mxlegend99

Member
May 20, 2018
559
Hopefully the package encourages some businesses that are not truly essential to let their employees self isolate for 4 weeks. Way too many jobs are deemed essential and operating that shouldn't be.

We need to do a true lockdown. Not this half measure crap.
 

D.Lo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,348
Sydney
i wonder if they'll still monkey with it now that 'real australians' are now covered by the wage stuff and they've minimised people's exposure to the mockery that is a defunded centerlink
I honestly think it's very weird the way they did it.

Someone working at KFC drive thru on near minimum wage is now on basically the same dollars as a jobseeker, with added risk and expenses (travel, cleaning etc). Why work? Those poor woolies checkout workers are not on much more either.

Newstart was woefully low, it should always have been the same as the most common welfare payment - aged pension. Could have been an opportunity to set every payment as the same as the aged pension. Now weirdly it's actually significantly higher!
 

Ventrue

Member
Oct 27, 2017
260
So the wage subsidy only applies to casuals and part timers who have been at a job for 12 months. Why why why? What does having changed jobs 6 months ago have to do with who needs income support?
 

EatChildren

Wonder from Down Under
Member
Oct 27, 2017
7,029
I need specifics on the raise of the partner income assessment threshold for those applying for JobSeeker. I've got a good mate who's mum is the sole worker between the two as his dad has struggled to find work for a few years (rural area and whatnot), but because she earns just above the $48k threshold he's never been approved for Newstart. It'd help them significantly if he could apply for Newstart, both for the financial subsidy and the benefit of being linked in with a provider.
 

Antiwhippy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
33,458
Would this really be pre-tax?

ATO gives money to employer, Employer gives money to Employee and some back to ATO. Why not just give the post tax amount?

Maybe just easier to calculate the payroll tax when all is said and done?

I mean the ATO pretty much automates your tax calculations anyway, maybe it's just easier to do it this way.