AutomotiveEra |OT| Four are better than two

nib95

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Thank you!

I do think that interior options or tech features wise, it's not quite up to the standards of my previous XFS or the X5 (eg the reverse camera night vision is poor compared to both Jaguar and BMW), but that's somewhat to be expected given the C Class is a smaller tier sedan.

On the plus side, a few things it does better, for example the Burmester sound system is excellent, and the car heats up much quicker than the Jag or BMW (great for winter).

The 2019 C63/43 facelifts really ought to have had the new A class all screen infotainment set up though (as originally found on the E and S class). The fact that the new A Class has a better infotainment system than the C Class just seems a bit odd.
 

enzo_gt

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Oct 25, 2017
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Jaguar redesigned one of the most beautiful modern cars.



Front fascia looks way more generic now. Like a curvy Cadillac CT5 mixed with a Maserati. It still looks good but has lost a lot of what made it so beautiful. Not a fan of this trend of lowering and thinning the headlights on sports cars, making them look like they have huge foreheads; the new Vantage suffers from this as well. Definitely looks more on-brand for Jaguar, though.
 
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nib95

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Jaguar redesigned one of the most beautiful modern cars.



Front fascia looks way more generic now. Like a curvy Cadillac CT5 mixed with a Maserati. It still looks good but has lost a lot of what made it so beautiful. Not a fan of this trend of lowering and thinning the headlights on sports cars, making them look like they have huge foreheads; the new Vantage suffers from this as well. Definitely looks more on-brand for Jaguar, though.
Still looks good, but doesn't look as unique or as exotic as the previous F-Type. It also looks too much like an XE, like it was a new XER Hybrid Coupe or something.
 

Cation

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Oct 28, 2017
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Late 2018 Mercedes C43 AMG I picked up a few weeks ago with barely any mileage on it.

Got an incredible deal direct from Mercedes on a cash buy. Didn't go for the newer face-lift model as it was a whopping 25-30% more money for something that was only a few months newer, plus I prefer the front end, headlights etc on the pre-face-lift model.

Fitted the 2019 OEM rear diffuser and tailpipes, GT-R grill and OEM matt black AMG wheels (they look gloss in the photos as the car wash lathered them with glossy finish).

Coupled with night package options, I think it makes the car look much more aggressive. Also, put on a set of Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S's for good measure.

Absolutely LOVE the car. It's a riot. The thing sounds incredible and is silly loud, it also constantly pops and crackles (has the AMG Performance exhaust). 4WD also means that no matter the weather or temperature, you always get instant fully controllable torque and acceleration, as a result it just feels so aggressive and confidence inspiring. it was one of the main reasons I picked the C43 over the C63.

Also, I tested my 0-60 using a friends Dragy when the sun was finally out, and the best I got was a 4.1, which I'm super pleased with as it's notably quicker than Mercedes claimed speed.

Anyway, a few mobile shots.
Damn that’s a killer spec, love that color.
If the rumors are true, this will be the last non-4 banger AMG C class cars.

also damn that diffuser is nuts. Love it
 

nib95

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Damn that’s a killer spec, love that color.
If the rumors are true, this will be the last non-4 banger AMG C class cars.

also damn that diffuser is nuts. Love it
Thanks dude, though it's no GTC :p

And yea, it's a bit disappointing really.

Not just that, but the new exhaust filter regulations mean that some of the newest versions of some of these cars already lack some of the theatre that previous year models had with their exhausts.

There are a lot of complaints on the forums about this with the new 2019/2020 C63/S, how it no longer has anywhere near the volume and pops, crackles etc as the previous years models.

And now the new C63 as you've hinted is supposedly going to be a 4 cylinder engine, which if the new A45 S AMG is anything to go by, means it likely won't sound nearly as good, and may instead rely on artificial sounds being fed into the cabin speakers to compensate.
 
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Cation

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Thanks dude, though it's no GTC :p

And yea, it's a bit disappointing really.

Not just that, but the new exhaust filter regulations mean that some of the newest versions of some of these cars already lack some of the theatre that previous year models had with their exhausts.

There are a lot of complaints on the forums about this with the new 2019/2020 C63/S, how it no longer has anywhere near the volume and pops, crackles etc as the previous years models.

And now the new C63 as you've hinted is supposedly going to be a 4 cylinder engine, which if the new A45 S AMG is anything to go by, means it likely won't sound nearly as good, and may instead rely on artificial sounds being fed into the cabin speakers to compensate.
Haha but really, speaking of the GTC - I heard that the 2020 facelift has less crackles and pops too. Really sad, cause the whole AMG experience was that “gutteral deep sound” with those addicting crackles.
It really is the end of the era if AMG follows through. Now I don’t know jack about how these cars will be valued, but IMO it would make me want to chose a current gen AMG over anything newer if I was in the market.

How do you like your new baby after the first week? Still look back at her after you park? Haha
Any plans for tunes down the road? I’ve read that the C43 is an absolute beast with tuning
 

nib95

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Haha but really, speaking of the GTC - I heard that the 2020 facelift has less crackles and pops too. Really sad, cause the whole AMG experience was that “gutteral deep sound” with those addicting crackles.
It really is the end of the era if AMG follows through. Now I don’t know jack about how these cars will be valued, but IMO it would make me want to chose a current gen AMG over anything newer if I was in the market.

How do you like your new baby after the first week? Still look back at her after you park? Haha
Any plans for tunes down the road? I’ve read that the C43 is an absolute beast with tuning
It probably won't just be fewer pops and crackles, but potentially also lower max volume overall too. I believe new EU regulations require phasing down the max dB of exhausts over the next few years.

And yea, I've actually had her for a few weeks now. Purchased the car before that test drive post I made a couple of weeks ago. Still checking it out all the time, and also just finding any excuse to drive it, especially late nights on my local country lanes where I'm able to just beast it around.

Most of the time driving aggressively I get disgusting fuel economy/mpg though lol, that said if I drive fairly sensibly in Comfort or Eco it actually doesn't do too badly at all.

Not looking to do any performance mods yet, mostly because I have 2 years of warranty left and don't really want to jeopardise it just yet.

Are you looking to do any mods on the GTC, whether cosmetic or performance? Have you done any timed acceleration tests/runs with it yet?
 
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enzo_gt

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Oct 25, 2017
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Late 2018 Mercedes C43 AMG I picked up a few weeks ago with barely any mileage on it.

Got an incredible deal direct from Mercedes on a cash buy. Didn't go for the newer face-lift model as it was a whopping 25-30% more money for something that was only a few months newer, plus I prefer the front end, headlights etc on the pre-face-lift model.

Fitted the 2019 OEM rear diffuser and tailpipes, GT-R grill and OEM matt black AMG wheels (they look gloss in the photos as the car wash lathered them with glossy finish).

Coupled with night package options, I think it makes the car look much more aggressive. Also, put on a set of Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S's for good measure.

Absolutely LOVE the car. It's a riot. The thing sounds incredible and is silly loud, it also constantly pops and crackles (has the AMG Performance exhaust). 4WD also means that no matter the weather or temperature, you always get instant fully controllable torque and acceleration, as a result it just feels so aggressive and confidence inspiring. it was one of the main reasons I picked the C43 over the C63.

Also, I tested my 0-60 using a friends Dragy when the sun was finally out, and the best I got was a 4.1, which I'm super pleased with as it's notably quicker than Mercedes claimed speed.

Anyway, a few mobile shots.













Congratulations!

Stunning car. Nothing quite does it for me like Mercedes interiors.

I feel like in the last generation they've brought down so much of the luxury look and styling from the S-Class that the C has basically become a baby S-Class inside and out.
 

Hieberrr

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Oct 29, 2017
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I'm thinking of potentially purchasing my first car next year.

Any thoughts on the 2019/2020 Civic Hatchback Sport? It's what I've been leaning towards for the last couple of weeks (ever since I realized my dream of owning a Telsla Model 3 is dead for now -- too expensive). It would be an automatic/CTV transmission.
 

rokkerkory

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Jun 14, 2018
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I'm thinking of potentially purchasing my first car next year.

Any thoughts on the 2019/2020 Civic Hatchback Sport? It's what I've been leaning towards for the last couple of weeks (ever since I realized my dream of owning a Telsla Model 3 is dead for now -- too expensive). It would be an automatic/CTV transmission.
Yep great car esp 2020 refreshes models. Also check out mazda 3 hatch it is way more luxurious feeling and less boy racer look if you’re inclined.
 

Skai

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Oct 27, 2017
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There's this 2007 Honda S2000 for sale close by me at a good dealer for 21k. 48k Miles, no mods, bone stock and clean title no accidents.

I REALLY want to buy it since the S2000 was my dream car since I was like 17 and saw Johnny Trans in F&F.

Also, prices seem to be creeping up now since 6 speed manuals are getting rare and high reving NA engines are rare now, plus kids my age can buy them now.
 

burgerdog

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Oct 27, 2017
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There's this 2007 Honda S2000 for sale close by me at a good dealer for 21k. 48k Miles, no mods, bone stock and clean title no accidents.

I REALLY want to buy it since the S2000 was my dream car since I was like 17 and saw Johnny Trans in F&F.

Also, prices seem to be creeping up now since 6 speed manuals are getting rare and high reving NA engines are rare now, plus kids my age can buy them now.
Buy it, you probably won't lose a ton of money on it if you decide to sell it down the line.
 

Cation

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It probably won't just be fewer pops and crackles, but potentially also lower max volume overall too. I believe new EU regulations require phasing down the max dB of exhausts over the next few years.

And yea, I've actually had her for a few weeks now. Purchased the car before that test drive post I made a couple of weeks ago. Still checking it out all the time, and also just finding any excuse to drive it, especially late nights on my local country lanes where I'm able to just beast it around.

Most of the time driving aggressively I get disgusting fuel economy/mpg though lol, that said if I drive fairly sensibly in Comfort or Eco it actually doesn't do too badly at all.

Not looking to do any performance mods yet, mostly because I have 2 years of warranty left and don't really want to jeopardise it just yet.

Are you looking to do any mods on the GTC, whether cosmetic or performance? Have you done any timed acceleration tests/runs with it yet?
Ive heard about that as well. Incredibly disappointing, especially considering how cool the new MBUX is. I guess there is a tradeoff in the future tho.

You must have incredible self control to drive in Eco lol, I dont think Ive spent any time in Eco thus far haha. Its always been sports+. Race is a bit too aggressive.
Haven't done any mods yet, but I'm in the same boat as you. Have a few years left in the warranty, but I have not heard about any issues, so I might be tempted to change something up. Might get a custom tune at most, but nothing planned for now
 

rokkerkory

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Jun 14, 2018
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There's this 2007 Honda S2000 for sale close by me at a good dealer for 21k. 48k Miles, no mods, bone stock and clean title no accidents.

I REALLY want to buy it since the S2000 was my dream car since I was like 17 and saw Johnny Trans in F&F.

Also, prices seem to be creeping up now since 6 speed manuals are getting rare and high reving NA engines are rare now, plus kids my age can buy them now.
Where do u live? I bought my ap2 2 years ago with similar specs around that price.
 

TheOne

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May 25, 2019
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Man, struggling to decide on a model sucks. I can't wrap my head around a specific car and the more I think about it, the more I add cars in my head within my budget and it feels like it's never-ending.

I've tested all of them and enjoyed every single one of them for different reasons:

2017+ Lexus GS350
2017+ Lexus IS350
2017+ Acura TLX A-Spec SH-AWD
2017+ Infiniti Q50 3.0T Red Sport
2018+ Genesis G70 3.3T
2018+ Genesis G80 Sport 3.3T
2017+ Genesis G90 5.0 Ultimate

Damnit...
 

Zen

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Nov 1, 2017
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So apparently the Taycan gets 200 miles of range according to the EPA.

https://jalopnik.com/the-porsche-taycan-turbos-epa-range-of-201-miles-is-so-1840366884#js_discussion-region

The U.S. government’s fuel economy site lists the Porsche Taycan Turbo’s range capacity at just 201 miles—far shorter than the estimated 280-mile range of the European WLTP testing standard for the same car.

This ranks the Taycan Turbo worse on range in the U.S. than every current Tesla model, the Chevy Bolt, Nissan Leaf, Audi E-Tron, and the Jaguar I-Pace. Nearly all of these vehicles feature a smaller battery than the Porsche’s 93.4 kWh pack.
 

Zen

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I would still take the Taycan over any of those and I imagine that most people that could afford a Taycan will get one because it's a Porsche.
Oh definitely, you buy one for the performance and the badge (and it looks damn good). Something had to give for that level of performance though. It'll outlast any Tesla on track and that's what most of its target audience wants I presume.
 

enzo_gt

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Oct 25, 2017
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I would still take the Taycan over any of those and I imagine that most people that could afford a Taycan will get one because it's a Porsche.
Definitely, but I do wonder if it will slightly impact them if it sours people going into it thinking they'll have a grand touring car.

I'm really not sure if it's more of a performance EV or a GT car, though, or whether there is a difference currently. EVs are in this weird place where a Model 3 can go 0-60 at hypercar speeds, and instantaneous acceleration, which is probably the most rewarding/differentiating part of owning a performance car for the small fraction of people who don't track them, is becoming really accessible across the market. Really curious to see how the performance segment develops in response, and what selling points emerge.
 

burgerdog

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Oct 27, 2017
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Definitely, but I do wonder if it will slightly impact them if it sours people going into it thinking they'll have a grand touring car.

I'm really not sure if it's more of a performance EV or a GT car, though, or whether there is a difference currently. EVs are in this weird place where a Model 3 can go 0-60 at hypercar speeds, and instantaneous acceleration, which is probably the most rewarding/differentiating part of owning a performance car for the small fraction of people who don't track them, is becoming really accessible across the market. Really curious to see how the performance segment develops in response, and what selling points emerge.
The turbo and turbo S models would be performance EVs in my opinion. I really think that people who choose to get those trims know exactly what they're getting into and sales aren't going to be affected by the low range. The 4S trim is where it gets interesting because its price range will be a lot closer to the model S performance and it will most likely be a daily driver for the vast majority of customers. I don't think the badge will be enough to get people to jump in when the Tesla nearly has double the range. It's a very tough sale.
 

Zen

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The Taycan is in a strange place for me because it's a 4 seater hyper sedan. The 200 mile range limit does hurt it if it's aimed at folk who want to use it for road trips.