It also doesn't tie into the "Skywalker legacy" that they tried to market it as... I wonder if that had anything to do with it? Even though TROS's tie in was a forced Palpatine and Rey taking the name.
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AV Club: Turns out Colin Trevorrow's version of Star Wars: Episode IX was good, actually
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It also doesn't tie into the "Skywalker legacy" that they tried to market it as... I wonder if that had anything to do with it? Even though TROS's tie in was a forced Palpatine and Rey taking the name.
After reading I do like them is having Rose be a actual character that does things instead of a glorified cameo.
But even then they just had to put in a torture scene with her...
But even then they just had to put in a torture scene with her...
I only read the synopsis on AV Club but... not really? There are three stories happening, two of which seem mirrored intentionally as the dark/light side versions of the same idea.
Everything else is happening on a much smaller scale than TRoS ultimately was. No weirdness like the sudden leap to Palpatine to explain. No sudden fleets of Star Destroyers that give you the feeling that something's missing in the narrative. It reads more like a sequel to TLJ.
Sounds better than RoS was.
Anything is better than centering a mcguffin chase around the universe's most bland alien: Ochi.
I swear, his blandest design possible is part of the numerous middle fingers JJ gave fans with his conclusion. like, it takes a lot of time and effort to make something this boring.
Anything is better than centering a mcguffin chase around the universe's most bland alien: Ochi.
I swear, his blandest design possible is part of the numerous middle fingers JJ gave fans with his conclusion. like, it takes a lot of time and effort to make something this boring.
I thought TFA was really weak and crippled the whole trilogy. IMO, TFA was the weakest entry and I haven't watched it anywhere near as much as TLJ. I loved TLJ mostly because of Luke's performance.
Anything wrong with the ST started in TFA and couldn't be fixed.
Anything wrong with the ST started in TFA and couldn't be fixed.
Not sure it would have worked, but there's a lot to like. In fact, earlier this week I was considering replying to the 'how would YOU have done EpIX?' thread with some of the same ideas. To wit:
- Not retconning TLJ and following up on its ideas: Rey's parents are nobodies, Rose deserves a larger role, the legend of Luke's last stand lights a spark.
- Kylo isn't redeemed.
- Luke's force ghost haunts Kylo (can also be filed under 'follow up on TLJ')
- Return to Coruscant.
- Not retconning TLJ and following up on its ideas: Rey's parents are nobodies, Rose deserves a larger role, the legend of Luke's last stand lights a spark.
- Kylo isn't redeemed.
- Luke's force ghost haunts Kylo (can also be filed under 'follow up on TLJ')
- Return to Coruscant.
I feel like this script does some things better, but it basically wastes Kylo Ren as a character, despite having some decent ideas to lead with for him.
This and Carrie's death probably. I can imagine him pushing for a CG double.
But we won't know untill in 10 years or so the real behind the scenes books are allowed to be written.
It sounds less stupid than TROS and at least doesn't waste time undoing the previous film. I'm not sure that introducing Cthulhu was a good idea though.
Wasn't there some speculation that he wanted to recast the role?
Wasn't there some speculation that he wanted to recast the role?
The AV Club version is much much more condensed than the reddit post. The reddit post could just be Burnett talking about specific things and making it sound like longer scenes. Again, at least that's the feeling that I got coming away from it.
The McGuffins in this script are pretty much just as much of a waste of time. Kylo chasing a mcguffin for unlimited power or whatever the fuck, knowledge leading to Palpatines final order. Rey on an entire arc to reinforce commitment to the Jedi at the 11th hour of the trilogy, only to have it revealed that Kylo actually killed her parents lol, which is more of a blatant rewrite of Rian's work than JJ's awkward "your parents were nobodies...because they chose to be."
The scary thing we should all be taking from this is that two of the highest grossing directors of our age both spit out this kind of work as a good place for Star Wars to go.
We are in the worst fucking timeline if Trevorrow's script sounds better than what we got.
goddamn.
goddamn.
Every new thing that comes out just reminds me how much ROS was just a creatively bankrupt pastiche of " fan pleasing " nonsense . They have me over here actually wanting to see what CT's vision would have been. Oh and fuck ROS
I wish they didn't redeem Kylo. We did the redemption thing in the OT. Repeating it in the ST was a mistake IMO. Same with Rey Palpatine- the OT already established that someone who comes from an evil heritage isn't destined to follow that route. I didn't need to see that again in TROS.
Yeah that would have been strange, but I would have loved a basically evil Yoda. Like, everyone fails their training and this cosmic thing just laughs and cruelly taunts them until they leave.
I haven't liked anything Trevorrow's ever made but yeah, this would've at least left me neutral on this whole trilogy instead of thinking it was a waste of time.
But at the same time, movies are watched, not read. Who knows how this would've played out in the end.
I appreciate Ren not being ~~~redeemed~~~ in this version of the film. TRoS is basically the worst possible decision at every turn for my money, and I legitimately cannot decide what decision I hate the most. But using Ren as Rey's fucking force twin is right up there. I actually thought TLJ went the right way with what was set up in TFA. Yeah, he's a sniveling manchild in TFA, and TLJ was very clear eyed about how absolutely terrifying that can be. I would have loved that to be studied more than flushing all of that down the toilet for a fucking kiss. Jesus Christ.
I know, right? You screw up once and you can never do something that's at least okay afterwards. It's a law, or if it's not, damn well should be.
I think it would be better if Luke is haunting Kylo but he's not, that's all in Kylo's mind. People say Kylo isn't threatening enough to be a main villain, but I disagree I think he could have had that classic mad young emperor thing going on like Caligula or Commodus from Gladiator.
I mean, reading the leaks for ROS gave you a pretty good idea of how bad it would be before watching it. Most the problems in that movie aren't acting or direction, it's the overall plot point ideas that are dumb or boring.
Some of that is meh. But Kylo should never have been redeemed. And could've gotten this:
Kotor knights of the fallen empire dude
It sounds better.
Duel of the Fates is a better title too.
They could have worked with that script. Make Poe and Finn the leaders of the Resistance to replace Carrie.
Having another big bad instead of just making Kylo the antagonist is stupid though. If you aren't going to redeem him at least make him the villain 100%.
100%. It was not a great start.
Kotor knights of the fallen empire dude
It sounds better.
Duel of the Fates is a better title too.
They could have worked with that script. Make Poe and Finn the leaders of the Resistance to replace Carrie.
Having another big bad instead of just making Kylo the antagonist is stupid though. If you aren't going to redeem him at least make him the villain 100%.
100%. It was not a great start.
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It seems a tiny bit better, but doesn't seem THAT much better.
I appreciate it doesn't lean on Palpatine and focuses more on the ST stuff, but I prefer Kylo being tortured by his past actions in RoS rather than just being fully evil in this script.
Other than that it does different stuff, but still a bunch of planet hopping and a final Resistance v. FO fight.
This sounds way better. But I like the Jurassic World movies so my opinion on Treverow is null here on Reset Era.
Yeah, this script seems far from a home run, too.
Also starting with a Rose mission and ending on Mortis like, sounded off all the "this is just fan fiction and probably not real" alarms. This seems credible though, as per AV Club!
Yeah, I'll take a look at the full treatment, because this probably isn't enough to get an idea of why they passed on this. I'm curious, at least, but I know my enthusiasm is colored by how empty I thought TRoS was. Like, I know my brain is searching out for some hope that at least someone cared enough to do a better thing than what we got.
I'd rather they nuke the idea of Tor Vallum and just do a Palpatine holocron that Kylo trains under.
Seems weird to introduce some sort of grand teacher that taught Palpatine after all this time. (no mention of Rey finding the teacher either and finishing him off, seems like he lives on)
Seems weird to introduce some sort of grand teacher that taught Palpatine after all this time. (no mention of Rey finding the teacher either and finishing him off, seems like he lives on)
I liked it. Would give Kylo redemption in some form though.
also would add "Rey. Just Rey." "So.... Rey Solo?"
also would add "Rey. Just Rey." "So.... Rey Solo?"
I was less worried about the writing than Trevorrow's directing. He has no visual flair and his action in JW was banal. I wouldn't have minded this script with a stronger director like JA Bayona helming.
That treatment would have never fit in to even a 3 hour movie. I'd expect if this was legit and had been made, big chunks of that would have been cut out and overall reworked.
The first Jurassic World movie is a legitimately good and fun blockbuster. The hate it received on Era and back on GAF didn't match the rest of the world.
(But Fallen Kingdom was a mess and hugely disappointing for me.)
Everyone wanted Trevorrow out because they thought he would deliver cheap, poorly constructed fan service schlock.
Look at us at now.
Look at us at now.
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