I don't know the official reason, but I'm pretty sure it was Book of Henry that did him in.
It's almost like removing a key component from your trilogy without a plan is a bad idea.
I remember getting shit on GAF for saying removing him was a terrible call. Literally 2 pages of people quoting me telling me I was an idiot.
Yeah, this script seems far from a home run, too.
Also starting with a Rose mission and ending on Mortis like, sounded off all the "this is just fan fiction and probably not real" alarms. This seems credible though, as per AV Club!
I wonder if the lack of Kylo redemption / Reylo played a big part in him getting fired
No matter who they got there should have been a guiding hand working with all the directors, there should've been constant communication and collaboration between them.at least if they were gonna do this improvised trilogy with multiple directors thing, why not get a third random A-list director on board?
TRoS feels more like a massive petty response to TLJ spinning things in a different direction than it does a movie.
My problem is TRoS makes it seem like he shouldn't be redeemed, but is, whereas this script is the reverse.I appreciate Ren not being ~~~redeemed~~~ in this version of the film. TRoS is basically the worst possible decision at every turn for my money, and I legitimately cannot decide what decision I hate the most. But using Ren as Rey's fucking force twin is right up there. I actually thought TLJ went the right way with what was set up in TFA. Yeah, he's a sniveling manchild in TFA, and TLJ was very clear eyed about how absolutely terrifying that can be. I would have loved that to be studied more than flushing all of that down the toilet for a fucking kiss. Jesus Christ.
Yep, and this treatment would have been even more so.
Treverrow's unwillingness to redeem Kylo is probably why he left the film, right? Given that we know redemption was basically a LFG mandate
Yeah its a lose - lose situation if you compare scripts lol.Yep, and this treatment would have been even more so.
We see how well that worked out.
Yes it is. I can hear Daisy in my head, saying it.
honestly, a reasonable sequel to TLJ would include Rose more than TRoS did.
I don't like Duel of the Fates as a name, it's just too jarring when that's a motif of the prequel trilogy.Some of that is meh. But Kylo should never have been redeemed. And could've gotten this:
Kotor knights of the fallen empire dude
It sounds better.
Duel of the Fates is a better title too.
They could have worked with that script. Make Poe and Finn the leaders of the Resistance to replace Carrie.
Having another big bad instead of just making Kylo the antagonist is stupid though. If you aren't going to redeem him at least make him the villain 100%.
100%. It was not a great start.
Rey to Luke as they train: "Balance? The dark suffocates the light, light extinguishes the dark. Over and over and over again. How is that balance in the force?"
Luke: "I know that anger. My father had it too.'
Rey: "So says my master and his master before him. A thousand masters so eager to tell us how to live."
Before Rey leaves, she and Leia have an exchange were Rey says she believes there's still good in Kylo. Leia is skeptical, but Rey believes in her Jedi Training. Leia: "You're not like my father or my brother. You're new. Whatever happens, remember the force choose you Rey. You're story isn't written by anyone else."
But the irony of searching for more water for your bucket, when your bucket has a hole in the bottom, is kinda cool, imo.Actually thinking about this, there is a lot that can be cut.
Like the entire Kylo subplot. He doesn't need to search for more power, he already has it. Have him bristling under the pressure and banality of actually having to lead the galaxy. Show him making mistakes that cost the FO support. Have that be the lynchpin of a wider Rebellion along with Luke's sacrifice. That would save a lot of time and be more narratively interesting. Kylo has always been a manchild, let that be his undoing.
Kylo constantly searching for more power in order to fill Vader's shoes, completely unaware of what's under his nose (his own latent power) is pretty on point for Kylo though. That's kind of his thing in The Force Awakens.Actually thinking about this, there is a lot that can be cut.
Like the entire Kylo subplot. He doesn't need to search for more power, he already has it. Have him bristling under the pressure and banality of actually having to lead the galaxy. Show him making mistakes that cost the FO support. Have that be the lynchpin of a wider Rebellion along with Luke's sacrifice. That would save a lot of time and be more narratively interesting. Kylo has always been a manchild, let that be his undoing.
I get that, and it could absolutely be interesting, but I just think that would take too long, not follow up on already established character traits, and mean more focus on Kylo alone when we need him with the FO to avoid a big problem RoS had: a random McGuffin whose defeat somehow also ends the FO, even though they were doing fine without it.But the irony of searching for more water for your bucket, when your bucket has a hole in the bottom, is kinda cool, imo.
Kylo can never be satisfied because he is broken from the inside. A greek tragedy.
Yea it's still not good. But I like it better than The Rise of Skywalker. Which is incredibly bad.I don't like Duel of the Fates as a name, it's just too jarring when that's a motif of the prequel trilogy.
I get that, and it could absolutely be interesting, but I just think that would take too long, not follow up on already established character traits, and mean more focus on Kylo alone when we need him with the FO to avoid a big problem RoS had: a random McGuffin whose defeat somehow also ends the FO, even though they were doing fine without it.
Kylo and the FO are the big bads, not Kylo and [random new baddie].
TEAM A (Rose, Finn, R2, 3PO): Going to Coruscant to light the beacon.
at least if they were gonna do this improvised trilogy with multiple directors thing, why not get a third random A-list director on board?
I think we can all agree that the true villain of the ST was The Book of Henry
Highly recommend the video Folding Ideas did on it:I read just read the wikipedia entry for this movie, lol what a mess
Especially because of the core difference between Kylo and Anakin: Anakin wanted to be a good man, but he fell to the dark side. Kylo wants to be a bad guy, and fights against the light purposfully.Kylo not being redeemed is honestly my favorite thing about this treatment. Force Awakens and Last Jedi seem to make it pretty clear that Kylo Ren is committed to the path of the Dark Side and isn't redeemable.