I think it's too late in the trilogy to give any of them a very satisfying romance plot. Rose and Finn seems to have to crushes on Rey and Finn again, but not enough sexual tension between them, and the characters that had the most sexual tension, seemed to have an abusive relationship. Rey should have been written so she loses that attraction, after she literally closed the door in TLJ.
Indeed I believe if they let the directors tell an organic finale instead of pandering...the last jedi's reception would be different, because you could see where the story was going. You can have a Calligula style villain, that isn't cool and imposing like vader but a more chaotic and still effective antagonist, and you can show how Rey being from a new generation of jedi, being nobody, which means they can inspire their own new jedi code and overcome an existential crisis. You can see Luke inspires the rebellion to rise, and it feel like he had to be killed. It's better for the long term, say "this is why that story made these swerves and here's the pay off" than out-of-place and clumsy pandering, which just damages the brand and knock the new trilogy down.
Who exactly wasn't a nobody outside of Luke? It makes no sense to keep repeating that over and over again like it's an exception in Jedi history. The exception is Luke because Anakin had kids in secret.
I didn't say they weren't. I mean the original jedis were too naive and short-sighted, they would only train jedis at a young age and told them they couldn't love, they were fucked up and like a cult, and a new jedi order starting without the baggage of legacy, who to live up to, or the old rules and customs, could be an empowering development for Rey who was told she had no place in this story, so she makes a new story for her self and start a new story for the jedi.
I think it worked for me, I think we often see the story through Rey's eyes, it's why Kylo is so romanticised as a sad hunk in TLJ, and there's a feeling at the back of her head telling her that her parents are coming back and she's going to be validated. She goes into the dark cave looking for the answers, the audience also wants. If there was a mystery box being placed for Rey, that's really was his false hope at the back of her head. I think Rey was chosen by the force, The Force Ahem Awakened, but she hoped for an answer that wasn't there and the audience also felt she needed a family to validate herself as the new protagonist.
Maybe Colin was actually consulting the story group instead of ignoring them and making things up like JJ seems to have done in TROS, who knows.
Isn't one of the main gripes some people have against TLJ is that it does the complete opposite of that?
Agreed, instead of using a lot of those ideas we end up with that messy TROS with questionable ideas.
Disney probably consider the film a bust like the clearly did TLJ for some reason and just want to keep people talking about product instead of letting it fade into obscurity as being lame
IMO people's main gripes were that TLJ wasn't what they had theorized for the past 2 years. TLJ on paper regardless of what you feel about RJ's execution is at least a logical way to continue that story.
I think the difference is TLJ had development to the plot threads, even though I guess half the fans didn't like those developments, whereas ROS doesn't try to develop off TLJ (except from the force bond), Rose and Hux are snubbed, the message of the hero of the story can be you, is dumped, and Kylo being supreme leader doesn't really matter because Palpatine is behind everything. One is opinion, one is really clear.
He def gets much more to do in Trevorrow's version from the looks of it. Finn becoming a hero of the people and rallying the people of Coruscant against the First Order sounds awesome imo.
