AVClub: Gina Rodriguez (Jane the Virgin, Carmen Sandiego), who should know better by now, raps along to the n-word
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Having moved from the midwest, I was shocked by how many non-black latinx people I hear using it in NYC.
Examples? Cause I only see her get called out when she does something silly
Dominicans are black. (She’s also Trinidadian IIRC)
Native NYC Latino POC, can confirm its pretty normal/unproblematic here.
Oh she is? Didn't know that. My Bad. There are still some examples of Latin rappers using the word right? I'm not American, so I'm just confused about where the "line" is, not trying to justify anything.
Every apology Gina Rodriguez makes is laced with hyperbole, self-pity, and defensiveness. "I'm sorry for singing along to one of my favorite songs, sang by Lauryn Hill, who I love," ...wtf?
You know what kind of person is incapable of self-reflection? The kind who steps in it on black issues over and over again, proceeds to post a video singing the n-word, and then after getting backlash, thinks mentioning "I love Lauryn Hill" should suggest what's truly in her heart.
You know what kind of person is incapable of self-reflection? The kind who steps in it on black issues over and over again, proceeds to post a video singing the n-word, and then after getting backlash, thinks mentioning "I love Lauryn Hill" should suggest what's truly in her heart.
Yupppp. Tekashi 69, Lil Pump off the top of my head. They just don't give af and nobody in hip hop cares. From a black british perspective, it's kinda wild.
Michelle would probably throw the long F word rather than the N to me, pre-coming out and during her wild drinking days
she's not! gassp but her dark skinnedness and the problems she has getting roles b/c of it says otherwise.
So, memory permitting, I recall the time she advocated for more Latinx representation in Hollywood but folks made it out to seem like she was simultaneously dragging black entertainers down. And the time she spoke during an interview when they were asking a specific question to another actress, turning “black women” into “all women”.
Like I get why those situations were issues but nonetheless Gina doesn’t strike me as anti-black. A total bonehead lacking self-awareness maybe but all in all sincere in her efforts for the latinx community.
(I’m not like a super fan or anything I just know what I know of her as my girlfriend’s a Jane fan. )
I think the backlash is more about her specifically than "minority on minority" crime. It's not punching down, its punching across and in those cases most of the time it's a shoulder shrug...but it seems like she has a history of fuckery so she has to deal with it.
I'm a latino who grew up in LA in the early 90s where Death Row records were basically a religion, it was common to hear the mexican kids recite the lyrics verbatim cause it was an LA thing not necessarily a race thing.
But also remember "gay" "fag" "retard" were also commonly used so if you did not grow up at that specific time in history then it would he incredibly shocking. This is why slip ups can be understandable, but you should KNOW by now certain words aren't ok to use anymore, especially knowing the kind of audience that is out there. The world changes and you change with it.
I'm a latino who grew up in LA in the early 90s where Death Row records were basically a religion, it was common to hear the mexican kids recite the lyrics verbatim cause it was an LA thing not necessarily a race thing.
But also remember "gay" "fag" "retard" were also commonly used so if you did not grow up at that specific time in history then it would he incredibly shocking. This is why slip ups can be understandable, but you should KNOW by now certain words aren't ok to use anymore, especially knowing the kind of audience that is out there. The world changes and you change with it.
Remember when Michelle told minorities to invent their own superheroes?
When you go out of the way to erase black women, it is anti black. She went out of her way to do it, intent does not erase the damage
people were getting on her for some squad like photo and it was almost all light skinned latinx people shes always with but talks about everyone
I’m not trying to debate it much further but I just feel that anti-black in this context is a label to end dialogue rather than start it. I understand, though, if people find her unredeemable at this point given how often it seems to be an issue with her in particular.
yea and she seems to have a problem with labels and being characters of other IP
i don't think she's ever played a non-original character outside a smurf so
Gina Rodriguez avoids dark skinned latinx people like Greta Gerwig* *avoids non-white women as on screen leads in her push for women everywhere
**or insert: Burton, Nolan, Coen's, PT Anderson
I mean, I get it, ERA gets "triggered" easily.
But the shit that flies in NYC isn't the standard for all of America. Otherwise J. Lo wouldn't have gotten in trouble for saying the n-word years ago.
How is not antiblack? You haven't explained that.
You building a strayman, she has to put in some work if she wants people to see that she is growing and changed. Folks use "Wow no one can be redeemed " as a club to shout down conversation to avoid talking why something is fucked up. It is so tiring.
If this was anyone else, this would be swept under the rug.
But this is the fifth or sixth time Gina has been caught doing some anti-black bullshit. And let this be known, she's said the N-word on screen before too, so she ain't new to this.
I like Jane the Virgin, but Gina is a whole fool.
But this is the fifth or sixth time Gina has been caught doing some anti-black bullshit. And let this be known, she's said the N-word on screen before too, so she ain't new to this.
I like Jane the Virgin, but Gina is a whole fool.
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Doesn't change that specifically Gina saying it is a problem because she has a history of being scummy toward black people. Namely black women.
Also, said various minorities in NYC who use it also tend to be the same ones who are mad racist too. But I'll leave that can of worms alone.
Because like I said, I’m not a Gina fan/follower so I don’t know what, if any, positive developments or growth or whatever she’s had since her prior issues. I’m not justifying her alleged anti-blackness, but looking at it from the perspective of Latino POC. I’m not at all worried about whether or not she could be redeemed, more so interested in how one frames another POC as anti-black.
You said the intentional omission of black women from the conversation is anti-black, I get that, and can agree, but I can’t agree with putting intentions or the lack thereof in her words. I’m assuming that remark was specfically related to the “all women” controversy, and again, I totally see how it could come across anti-black, but in context it just seemed like folks were targeting her because she already had a history of shaky statements in that field.
My bio dad is Black and my bio mom is white Jewish. Both Hispanic. I'm aware of how ethnically ambiguous I look and never say the n-word in public because I don't want anyone within ear's reach to get the idea that if I'm saying it, then they can too. Too many Hispanics where I was born say it just as casually as they say n-word with a hard r. If I say anything I'm told I'm not Black Black so I shouldn't be bothered. Like nah brah....it does bother me.
has had a blank check since 2005, getting around to it in 2020 the once. will get off the list when doing it a 2nd time
Latino and Hispanic aren't races. There are tons of white, black, and mixed race people that fit these descriptors. These people often get the n-word pass because the community isn't going to bother to try to figure out how white/black each person with heritage from these areas are.
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As a New Yorker myself. I’m used to it as well, I say that shit all the time and my latinx friends do to. Shit even the Asians here use it on the regular. A lot of latinx people over here high key racist and will drop that hard r with the quickness though so shits a mixed bag.
But Gina’s anti black ass? That’s gonna be a no from me dawg.
But Gina’s anti black ass? That’s gonna be a no from me dawg.
Races wasn't the right word. I meant "groups" although those usually fall along racial lines. And it's like you said, because they can be of all races and come from latin america/spanish speaking countries, it's too much of a hassle figuring out who can say what
Various minorities in any metropolitan area, at least that I've lived in. Black people like to act like they have wholesale on that word, but the rest of the poc community obviously does not agree.
There really is no standard for all of America, as demonstrated by many others here echoing my observation, which is where the problem lies.
Rodriguez's pattern of shite behavior makes this situation relatively easy to parse, however.
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Are you black?
Other poc don't have a say in this matter.
If you're not black, don't say the damn word unless you're willing to be called out for it. Hell, just don't say it at all.
From my experience living in SA and Houston, black folk typically don’t let that shit slide, and many a Latinx person has tried and gotten checked (verbally and/or physically) early enough that they know better, but I suppose I probably surround myself with like-minded people of color.
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I dont disagree. Have fun with that fight though. Metropolitan poc dont give a shit about your perspective.
We don’t act like anything. We do have wholesale say on the word. Other people of color using it doesn’t change that fact any more than white people using it does.
1) Not all Black people listen to Hip Hop/are aware of every Hip Hop song, so this "line" doesn't get confronted the same way as it does with more "visible" celebrities like J.Lo and Gina Rodriguez.
2) Afro Latinx people exist, although that isn't applicable in all context.
3) Black people have different opinions, ex: Black people who don't like the word said at all by anyone, Black people who are "ok" with other non-White ethnic groups using the word, etc...
4) Then there's Fat Joe with this opinion.
That's not how words work.
Like I said, I'm ok with no one but black people saying it (though I'd prefer no one said it), but theres no way youre getting inner city poc that aren't black to care about your feelings on the word. They dont agree with you. Fight them, not me. Fighting me doesnt change the fact that other people claim that word other than black people and black people kind of dont have control over that.
Culture itself controls that.
Whether or not they care about it doesn’t matter.
We have wholesale say over who can appropriately use the word. And the culture bears that out, as evidenced by the fact that anyone that isn’t black using the word in a largely public area is gonna get a side eye at best, a beatdown at worst. Why do you think Gina apologized for using the word after she slipped up? What people do behind closed doors with their tight knit friend groups is another matter entirely.
So yeah, fuck out my face with this bullshit. Nigga.
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