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AVENGERS 4 | Speculation Thread (Open Spoilers, Set Photos and Leaks)
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The other spoiler thread is saying that's the same actor, so i'd say it's indeed him.
OK cheers, thanks for clearing that up! He looked a hell of a lot older, but I guess it's been a while since Iron Man 3.
Isn't Cap actually going into a different timeline though? Rather than simply going back in time in his timeline? Meaning that Cap could have done a bunch of stuff in a different timeline we don't even know about, lived out his life there and then jumped back into his timeline when he was supposed to return.
And I assume the same can be said for all of the other jumps they do to collect the infinity stones. They're hopping through timelines pinching infinity stones to bring back into their own timeline?
And I assume the same can be said for all of the other jumps they do to collect the infinity stones. They're hopping through timelines pinching infinity stones to bring back into their own timeline?
Maybe, but to answer that definitively we would have to know if the quantum equipment that the Avengers use enable time travel in the main MCU reality or reality hopping. Both are definitely plausible.
Nice. The first two are in my top ten most rewatchable movies. I just love them.
It's funny, after the dumpster fire of season 4 on BBC, I look back on RDJ's first Holmes movie much more fondly, though I still think they dropped the ball with the 2nd one kind of.
It doesn't flow as well as the first but I still love it. I was watching the first on Netflix and didn't know they dubbed in Jared Harris' voice for the Moriarty scenes. I liked that. Less sinister but in line with what was to come, obviously.
You are correct.
They established earlier on that whatever they do in the past doesn't effect the "main" MCU timeline. Those just branch off into new timelines. Meaning Cap could have gone back, been with Peggy, stopped 9/11 and Hydra taking over for all we know.
He would just be creating alternate timelines where those things didn't happen. He then came back to the main timeline when he was suppose to.
He pretty much just went back to get those 70 normal years that he lost with Peggy had he not been frozen, without messing with the main timeline continuity.
Trying to wrap my head around this.
So they're basically, in a very convoluted way, introducing the idea of Earth 616 (not by name, obvs) being the MCU timeline, but that there are others?
Also, what happens with Peter at the end? Does he go back to school, and everyone's in college except him? Does he go back in time?
That's how I'm viewing this whole thing. The main MCU timeline is essentially Earth 616 and all these other timelines would be other "Earths" like in the comics. For example Nebula kills one of her past self but her "616" present version is fine because her killing the "past" version only messes with another timeline, one where that "past" version is now dead.
Not sure on Peter and how FFH works since Fiege has said it takes moments after End Game?
Fully understanding how the time travel works puts a completely different spin on Cap's ending, really.
As many have said there's no way that Cap would sit on the sidelines while evil was at work, and this way, there's no reason to assume he ever did. If anything Cap is armed with a ridiculous amount of knowledge on who is up to dirty deeds.
Of course there's an interesting question as to the fate of Steve Rogers in the universe Cap retired to. Perhaps he is frozen in ice. Maybe he died fighting Red Skull. All that's required is there was a Captain America in WW2 and Peggy Carter met him at that time.
In the future they could have it that our Cap made that world a better place with foreknowledge the other Rogers would one day be rescued. And at that time he stepped aside to retire as Old Steve, knowing a Cap would be there and that world's Peggy got to know it would all be okay in the end.
As many have said there's no way that Cap would sit on the sidelines while evil was at work, and this way, there's no reason to assume he ever did. If anything Cap is armed with a ridiculous amount of knowledge on who is up to dirty deeds.
Of course there's an interesting question as to the fate of Steve Rogers in the universe Cap retired to. Perhaps he is frozen in ice. Maybe he died fighting Red Skull. All that's required is there was a Captain America in WW2 and Peggy Carter met him at that time.
In the future they could have it that our Cap made that world a better place with foreknowledge the other Rogers would one day be rescued. And at that time he stepped aside to retire as Old Steve, knowing a Cap would be there and that world's Peggy got to know it would all be okay in the end.
Pretty much. The timeline can't be changed, time travel creates new ones.
Ugh, I cannot wait to see this. They don't frame it as an echo of Uncle Ben, do they?
How do they handle his return to school? Is everyone older, or do they leave that whole re-set for FFH?
Nope, no Uncle Ben.
Peter returns to school and everything is normal which was kind of weird honestly. I guess all the people important to the Spidey franchise also died from the snap and everyone who didn't just aged out due to the five years? It will be weird if they don't address this in Far From Home.
Thanos was weaken when he did the snap plus thor axe him in the chest in IW
I see. But I thought the axe wound was healed?
Looks like it was at the end of the movie and when he flashes back to see child Gamora. Thanos even sees the wound is gone when he checks for it.
In the Soul Stone's dream state he went to, is where he checked both his hand (which had no gauntlet) and chest. When he came back into the real world he was cooked.
Thanos used the stones again in order to reduce them to atoms and it nearly killed him.
With Cap in the past, I wonder if he sees a lot of Tony growing up, as he was friends with Howard. Also, knowing what he knows, does he try to weed out Hydra from SSR/S.H.I.E.L.D.? And knowing Bucky is in his early days as the Winter Soldier, does he try to save him then. I would assume this would all have to be done in an alternate timeline.
Also, loved the bit with Thor, Korg, and Miek playing Fortnite. Though, I would've loved it if they were instead playing God of War and messing around with the axe.
Also, loved the bit with Thor, Korg, and Miek playing Fortnite. Though, I would've loved it if they were instead playing God of War and messing around with the axe.
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be careful. I dunno if that could class as spoilers to some folks.
Should be safe since we are in an open spoiler thread. But yeah, some would. I saw spoilers on this page alone so I thought we were going all out.
I don't think Agent Carter's status as canon means much for the many other Marvel television series. The Disney+ series aside, everything else can now be relegated to one of the many alternate timelines.
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I don't expect another Avengers for like 5 years at least
I don't know where they go from here
I don't know where they go from here
It's been this way for a while and it's from deviant art. It's no worse than if I had an avi of Rey with a purple lightsaber.
aight nevermind then. I thought you were commenting about it because you'd changed it specifically because of seeing the film and either way, it comes off as a bit backseat moddy of me to say anything. Hopefully it brings you no flak and yeah, it is cool.
It's okay, I understand your point of view on the matter. If mods think it is spoilery at all then I'll change it. I've had it since after the first Endgame trailer.
I think next obvious move is the lady Avengers and Gwyneth team up with Captain Marvel given the reaction in my theater on both showings.
I'd kind of like to see X-men and FF get integrated sooner rather than later or maybe we get more solo Cap/Makie and Gweneth Iron Maiden films...technically if the box office starts to tank I guess they could do something convoluted with time travel to get RDJ and Tony back from the past for one final mission?
Assuming Marvel keeps on good terms with Sony, they could do a Secret Wars film, something involving Galactus and the Silver Surfer or barring that...
Of course, the latter assumes they've already planned out the roadmap for the MCU to lead to Doom after only recently reacquiring the character from the Fox merger as does the former given how prominent the X-Men are in the original Secret Wars.
How do people feel about having had followed along with the leaks and speculation so closely after having seen the movie?
I tried my best to stay away from all speculation due to the early set leaks and toy leaks basically spilling the beans on the Quantum Realm being used for time travel to the old movies. After getting that much spoiled for me, I decided it was too much and avoided all but the main trailers and I feel great about my decision.
Just from seeing people's reactions to the spoilers (real or not) without much context, spoiling themselves and working themselves into a frenzy of how it sounds like it will suck, I can't imagine it being necessarily a good thing, especially since some seem to claim that it convinced them to want to avoid the movie?
I tried my best to stay away from all speculation due to the early set leaks and toy leaks basically spilling the beans on the Quantum Realm being used for time travel to the old movies. After getting that much spoiled for me, I decided it was too much and avoided all but the main trailers and I feel great about my decision.
Just from seeing people's reactions to the spoilers (real or not) without much context, spoiling themselves and working themselves into a frenzy of how it sounds like it will suck, I can't imagine it being necessarily a good thing, especially since some seem to claim that it convinced them to want to avoid the movie?
