AVENGERS 4 | Speculation Thread (Open Spoilers, Set Photos and Leaks)

Lukemia SL · Dec 17, 2018

BlackFyre said:
It's impossible for Titan to be in our solar system. The disc spaceship was travelling in hyperspace for hours headed towards Titan. Tony even says they are billions of miles from Earth his in spat with Strange. It's most likely in another galaxy.

Titan in the MCU and comics is literally based on Saturn's moon and media says that's where Thanos was born.
If I didn't know where in space I was I too would say I was a billion miles from Earth.
But to be fair the MCU Titan is said to be an Exoplanet.

HiLife · Dec 17, 2018

Ant Man with the secret hard carry tbh.

TheZjman · Dec 17, 2018

Winny（๑•̀ㅂ•́）و said:
I'm kinda leaning towards the idea that, with half the population of the planet gone, humans kinda just... stop killing each other. So when news breaks out of a series of murders, the first major killing spree since The Snap, Natasha tracks down the killer and the twist is it's Clint.

I would love if it tied into my original theory that Skrull have been replacing people that Thanos killed, slipping into their shoes without anyone being able to tell the difference - and that they tried to do it to Clint, driving him way past breaking point when he realised the truth.

Cool theory, but i can't see them winding such a theory in - think it would be way too complicated to get into the story. Unless Captain Marvel sets it up really well.

JealousKenny · Dec 17, 2018

Lukemia SL said:
You know what one Saturn's moon is called right? In the MCU that's where Thanos was born and home of the Titanians.

It hasnt been established that the Titan Thanos is from is the same moon of Saturn named Titan in our solar system in the MCU. As of now that is a comics exclusive location.

DeltaRed · Dec 17, 2018

I assumed Titan had to be the Saturn moon because of how long it takes Maw's ship to get there, it doesn't appear to be going at lightspeed or anything so it had to be relatively close to Earth.

Deleted member 7051 · Dec 17, 2018

TheZjman said:
Cool theory, but i can't see them winding such a theory in - think it would be way too complicated to get into the story. Unless Captain Marvel sets it up really well.

Yeah, the only way it would work is if Captain Marvel establishes that Skrull actually assume people's lives after they prematurely die and they don't usually kill people to do it. Then you could frame The Snap as this buffet of opportunities for the Skrull because they could replace tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands, without raising any eyebrows at all. People would be in too much pain and shock to feel anything other than intense relief that their loved ones weren't killed like the rest.

Which kinda raises the most important question of all - why would they do it anyway? Everyone just kinda assumes the Skrull are in the movie, but to be honest I can't imagine why they'd be doing this in the first place.

That's something else Captain Marvel needs to set up, I s'pose.

Manmademan · Dec 17, 2018

JealousKenny said:
It hasnt been established that the Titan Thanos is from is the same moon of Saturn named Titan in our solar system in the MCU. As of now that is a comics exclusive location.

MCU Titan is definitely not Saturn's moon. How is this a serious question?

Thanos described Titan as a planet. Not a moon. It even HAS its own moon, which Thanos threw chunks of as an attack. Saturn's moon Titan does not have it's own moon.

Thanos also described Titan as "beautiful" and showed what it looked like before disaster. Saturn's moon Titan is an icy ball with methane seas with a -200 degree F climate.

He also describes it as resource strapped. Too many mouths with not enough to go around. That race was clearly Spacefaring. If Titan was THAT short on resources, raiding Earth for them or colonizing it (Because Earth is MUCH larger than Saturn's moon) makes more sense than starting a resource war that kills all life.

Thanos committed to wiping out half of all life in the Universe after that, which we see a glimpse of when he kills Gamora's people.

If Earth was the closest habitable planet to Titan, Thanos would have started there, instead of running halfway across the galaxy.

There's no scenario in which Titan as Saturn's moon makes any sense.

cartoon_soldier · Dec 17, 2018

Question - How does Tony even have a helmet?

Isn't it all just like a nano-tech suit or something? Or is he using someone else's helmet to send message?

Manmademan · Dec 17, 2018

DeltaRed said:
I assumed Titan had to be the Saturn moon because of how long it takes Maw's ship to get there, it doesn't appear to be going at lightspeed or anything so it had to be relatively close to Earth.

People don't realize just how big space is.

It takes about an hour to get from earth to Saturn at the speed of light.

It took Voyager three years to get there.

Its impossible for that ship to be going less than lightspeed EVEN IF it was going to Saturn. Tony would have been on it for days/weeks/months.

Lukemia SL · Dec 17, 2018

Manmademan said:
MCU Titan is definitely not Saturn's moon. How is this a serious question?

Thanos described Titan as a planet. Not a moon. It even HAS its own moon, which Thanos threw chunks of as an attack. Saturn's moon Titan does not have it's own moon.

Thanos also described Titan as "beautiful" and showed what it looked like before disaster. Saturn's moon Titan is an icy ball with methane seas with a -200 degree F climate.

He also describes it as resource strapped. Too many mouths with not enough to go around. That race was clearly Spacefaring. If Titan was THAT short on resources, raiding Earth for them or colonizing it (Because Earth is MUCH larger than Saturn's moon) makes more sense than starting a resource war that kills all life.

Thanos committed to wiping out half of all life in the Universe after that, which we see a glimpse of when he kills Gamora's people.

If Earth was the closest habitable planet to Titan, Thanos would have started there, instead of running halfway across the galaxy.

There's no scenario in which Titan as Saturn's moon makes any sense.

"Thanos is this virtually indestructible character who's stronger than the Hulk, and has invincible skin. He's from a planet called Titan. Many years prior to the film his planet was experiencing a cataclysmic shift. They were running out of resources, and they were overpopulated. Thanos made a recommendation that they exterminate half the population randomly in order to save the rest of the population. Of course, the Titans rejected his notion, branded him a mad man, exiled him, and the planet ended up dying. So he has taken it upon himself to go planet-by-planet throughout the universe and wipe out half of the population of each planet as a way to correct the planet and bring it back into balance."

This is the Russo saying Thanos went from planet to planet across the universe.
If Titan is as far away as you all are saying Stark doesn't have a chance in hell in that tiny broken ship he is on.

Alexandros · Dec 17, 2018

cartoon_soldier said:
Question - How does Tony even have a helmet?

Isn't it all just like a nano-tech suit or something? Or is he using someone else's helmet to send message?

The nanobots can detach themselves from Tony, in the gif you posted there are those floating sonic thingies.

Richiek · Dec 17, 2018

DeltaRed said:
I assumed Titan had to be the Saturn moon because of how long it takes Maw's ship to get there, it doesn't appear to be going at lightspeed or anything so it had to be relatively close to Earth.

Actually when Maw's ship leaves Earth, it looks like it accelerates into light speed.

Manmademan · Dec 17, 2018

Lukemia SL said:
"Thanos is this virtually indestructible character who's stronger than the Hulk, and has invincible skin. He's from a planet called Titan. Many years prior to the film his planet was experiencing a cataclysmic shift. They were running out of resources, and they were overpopulated. Thanos made a recommendation that they exterminate half the population randomly in order to save the rest of the population. Of course, the Titans rejected his notion, branded him a mad man, exiled him, and the planet ended up dying. So he has taken it upon himself to go planet-by-planet throughout the universe and wipe out half of the population of each planet as a way to correct the planet and bring it back into balance."

This is the Russo saying Thanos went from planet to planet across the universe.
If Titan is as far away as you all are saying Stark doesn't have a chance in hell in that tiny broken ship he is on.

Uh...yeah, that's the point. Tony is massively screwed unless a miracle happens.

Titan is nowhere near planet earth.

Tunesmith · Dec 17, 2018

MCU Titan is a planet, no relation to real-life Saturn moon Titan.

As per Feige:

https://ew.com/movies/2018/03/08/avengers-infinity-war-behind-the-scenes/

"He's from a planet called Titan that's no longer inhabited because of things that he thought he could help prevent, and he was not allowed to do that," Feige says. "What he feared most happened, and the planet and everybody on it basically went extinct. He vowed not to let that happen again. He thinks he sees the universe going down the tubes. He thinks he sees life expanding outward unchecked. That will bring ruin, he believes, to the universe and to that life."

Lukemia SL · Dec 17, 2018

Manmademan said:
Uh...yeah, that's the point. Tony is massively screwed unless a miracle happens.

Titan is nowhere near planet earth.

We'll see.

Manmademan · Dec 17, 2018

Lukemia SL said:
We'll see.

We've already seen. The movie spells it out as clearly as it possibly can.

If THAT Titan was Saturn's moon, youd be able to see it from the planet's surface just as you can see Earth from the Moon because Saturn is freaking massive and would be an impossibly huge, impossibly bright object.

And Saturn's moon Titan once again doesn't have a moon of it's own.

It's not in the Solar system.

Kurdel · Dec 17, 2018

Manmademan said:
Uh...yeah, that's the point. Tony is massively screwed unless a miracle happens.

Titan is nowhere near planet earth.

If the heroes get the soul and space stone they can get him back.

Hell, I can even see them finding his corpse, using the ime stone to restore him.

Manmademan · Dec 17, 2018

Kurdel said:
If the heroes get the soul and space stone they can get him back.

Hell, I can even see them finding his corpse, using the ime stone to restore him.

The distress beacon (im assuming there is one) could also be picked up by someone. Whatever happened to the Stallone led team of Ravagers teased at the end of Guardians 2? There were supposed to be like 100 Ravager squads. Yondu's wasnt even the largest.

What about the half of Asgard that escaped the culling, presumably with Korg and Valkyrie? They were heading for Earth anyway.

Lukemia SL · Dec 17, 2018

Manmademan said:
We've already seen. The movie spells it out as clearly as it possibly can.

If THAT Titan was Saturn's moon, youd be able to see it from the planet's surface just as you can see Earth from the Moon because Saturn is freaking massive and would be an impossibly huge, impossibly bright object.

And Saturn's moon Titan once again doesn't have a moon of it's own.

It's not in the Solar system.

I'll concede for now. I'm going by the comics.

Kurdel said:
If the heroes get the soul and space stone they can get him back.

Hell, I can even see them finding his corpse, using the ime stone to restore him.

Hell, I think even Thor could get him back if he knew where he was.

Deleted member 7051 · Dec 17, 2018

Lukemia SL said:
If Titan is as far away as you all are saying Stark doesn't have a chance in hell in that tiny broken ship he is on.

Isn't that kind of the point? That Stark is several galaxies away at best and there's no way he'd even be able to tell which direction Earth is, so someone is going to pick him up and bring him to Earth so he can start building the tech they need to undo The Snap.

You have to remember that the scale of the MCU is absurd and spans far more than a few nearby galaxies - indeed, Valkyrie said it'd take a year and a half to travel from Xandar to Asgard in a universe where intergalactic travel only takes a few minutes.

Kurdel · Dec 17, 2018

Manmademan said:
The distress beacon (im assuming there is one) could also be picked up by someone. Whatever happened to the Stallone led team of Ravagers teased at the end of Guardians 2? There were supposed to be like 100 Ravager squads. Yondu's wasnt even the largest.

What about the half of Asgard that escaped the culling, presumably with Korg and Valkyrie? They were heading for Earth anyway.

These are all way more entertaining ideas than just gem shenanigans!

Can't wait to see how it goes down!

Manmademan · Dec 17, 2018

Lukemia SL said:
I'll concede for now. I'm going by the comics.

Even that doesn't make much sense because in the comics Thanos' race wasn't from Titan.

Thanos was an Eternal, and all of those were created on earth alongside Humans. A disagreement led to half of them moving to Saturn's moon to hang out at some point.

There were only a handful of Titanian eternals and Thanos himself (and Starfox) had a father who was an earth born Eternal.

Therefore if you go by the comics, the concept of Titan being Saturn's moon yet vastly overpopulated and ignorant or ambivalent towards Earth doesn't make any sense.

Playco Armboy · Dec 17, 2018

Winny（๑•̀ㅂ•́）و said:
Valkyrie said it'd take a year and a half to travel from Xandar to Asgard in a universe where intergalactic travel only takes a few minutes.

When did she say that?

Lukemia SL · Dec 17, 2018

Winny（๑•̀ㅂ•́）و said:
Isn't that kind of the point? That Stark is several galaxies away at best and there's no way he'd even be able to tell which direction Earth is, so someone is going to pick him up and bring him to Earth so he can start building the tech they need to undo The Snap.

You have to remember that the scale of the MCU is absurd and spans far more than a few nearby galaxies - indeed, Valkyrie said it'd take a year and a half to travel from Xandar to Asgard in a universe where intergalactic travel only takes a few minutes.

Yeah that's true, it is very damn big after all

Manmademan said:
Even that doesn't make much sense because in the comics Thanos' race wasn't from Titan.

Thanos was an Eternal, and all of those were created on earth alongside Humans. A disagreement led to half of them moving to Saturn's moon to hang out at some point.

There were only a handful of Titanian eternals and Thanos himself (and Starfox) had a father who was an earth born Eternal.

Therefore if you go by the comics, the concept of Titan being Saturn's moon yet vastly overpopulated and ignorant or ambivalent towards Earth doesn't make any sense.

Right, very interesting to learn.

Manmademan · Dec 17, 2018

Playco Armboy said:
When did she say that?

It was in Thor Ragnarok, when discussing ways to get out of Sakaar. One of them would have landed them near Xandar and then it would be a couple of months or something to Asgard.

Thor nixed that idea in favor of going through the "Devil's Anus"

Deleted member 7051 · Dec 17, 2018

Playco Armboy said:
When did she say that?

In Thor Ragnarok, when they decide to team up and go back to Asgard, Valkyrie says they'd refuel on Xandar and be back in Asgard in about eighteen months.

TheZjman · Dec 17, 2018

Lukemia SL said:
I'll concede for now. I'm going by the comics.

Hell, I think even Thor could get him back if he knew where he was.

Yeah, the axe has the bifrost capabilities right, so he could easily do it? Although the film probably won't do it because that would be too easy, haha.

Lukemia SL · Dec 17, 2018

TheZjman said:
Yeah, the axe has the bifrost capabilities right, so he could easily do it? Although the film probably won't do it because that would be too easy, haha.

Yup portable bifrost and for sure that's just lazy writing to me if they did make it that convenient.
Do you reckon Stormbreaker would just wreck the ship if he tried it? That looked really brutal when he landed in Wakanda.

Deleted member 2809 · Dec 17, 2018

The bifrost would probably blast the ship away, that said Heimdall could bifrost Hulk away from the ship at the start of IW but it was the other way.
THAT SAID. It did make a big fucking hole in the sanctum in NY.

Thugnificent · Dec 17, 2018

Shugga said:
The bifrost would probably blast the ship away, that said Heimdall could bifrost Hulk away from the ship at the start of IW but it was the other way.
THAT SAID. It did make a big fucking hole in the sanctum in NY.

I've been thinking about this too. Could the hole in the sanctum just have been caused by the Hulk crashing through at the end of the bifrost warp? Since we see him transitioning from slightly green to full on Banner in the sanctum.

kinoki · Dec 17, 2018

Shugga said:
The bifrost would probably blast the ship away, that said Heimdall could bifrost Hulk away from the ship at the start of IW but it was the other way.
THAT SAID. It did make a big fucking hole in the sanctum in NY.

Or the physics of starting in the bifrost and landing with it are different. Like throwing something. It impact what it hits, not what throws it.

TheZjman · Dec 18, 2018

Lukemia SL said:
Yup portable bifrost and for sure that's just lazy writing to me if they did make it that convenient.
Do you reckon Stormbreaker would just wreck the ship if he tried it? That looked really brutal when he landed in Wakanda.

It would almost certainly destroy the ship - we haven't really seen it use to land him in space right, always on a planet and it generally leaves a destructive trail when he lands, like you said about Wakanda. I imagine it won't be used other than maybe for Thor to visit a different planet if needs be - maybe to try and round up some survivors(Valkyrie etc)

Lukemia SL · Dec 18, 2018

TheZjman said:
It would almost certainly destroy the ship - we haven't really seen it use to land him in space right, always on a planet and it generally leaves a destructive trail when he lands, like you said about Wakanda. I imagine it won't be used other than maybe for Thor to visit a different planet if needs be - maybe to try and round up some survivors(Valkyrie etc)

Yeah seems to be a big difference between the bifrost and conjuring the powers of the all fathers like Ofin and Heimdell did with Thor and Hulk in A1 and IW.

Seems the latter gets them to reach the destination and they take over from there like when Thor landed on the quinjet and Hulk in his beaten state landing in the Sanctum.

I suppose Thor would know where Valkyrie and Korg went with the other Asgardians and what's left of them.

Deleted member 1248 · Dec 18, 2018

How do you think the fight against Thanos ends?

I'm going to guess that Thor aims for the head next time.

okdakor · Dec 18, 2018

Maybe they listened to the Internet, and it will be Ant-Man crawling up Thanos ass

TheZjman · Dec 18, 2018

Lukemia SL said:
Yeah seems to be a big difference between the bifrost and conjuring the powers of the all fathers like Ofin and Heimdell did with Thor and Hulk in A1 and IW.

Seems the latter gets them to reach the destination and they take over from there like when Thor landed on the quinjet and Hulk in his beaten state landing in the Sanctum.

I suppose Thor would know where Valkyrie and Korg went with the other Asgardians and what's left of them.

Yeah, definitely. Although thinking about it, I don't see Thor jetting off anywhere. He will be thinking everyone he knows is dead, so better to hang around with the others.

The Pharmercy · Dec 18, 2018

The Kree said:
How do you think the fight against Thanos ends?

I'm going to guess that Thor aims for the head next time.

I feel like it'll be vaguely inspired by the end to Infinity do they can bring Thanos back if they want to. While travelling through time they learn Thanos has a son, additional motivation for everything he's done, and ask him for help. Thanos won't attack his son because he's basically Dracula in Castlevania Season 2 and Thane then amberizes his daddy.

Alexandros · Dec 18, 2018

The Kree said:
How do you think the fight against Thanos ends?

I'm going to guess that Thor aims for the head next time.

I honestly have no idea. Maybe they convince him that he was wrong? For some reason I think that Quill's line about Titan's axis being off is going to be important. Maybe the Avengers time travel to Titan's past and find out that it was Thanos that caused the devastation and not overpopulation. Maybe it was so traumatic for him that he convinced himself it was not his fault and the Avenegers will force him to confront the truth? Who knows.

Deleted member 1248 · Dec 18, 2018

Cry For Mercy said:
I feel like it'll be vaguely inspired by the end to Infinity do they can bring Thanos back if they want to. While travelling through time they learn Thanos has a son, additional motivation for everything he's done, and ask him for help. Thanos won't attack his son because he's basically Dracula in Castlevania Season 2 and Thane then amberizes his daddy.

I also had the idea that they would end it like Thanos Imperative, where Quill and Nova held him captive in the Cancerverse. I think some of the Avengers and Guardians will do the same somewhere, somehow. It leaves them with an opening to bring him back later if they want.

OnPorpoise · Dec 18, 2018

cartoon_soldier said:
Question - How does Tony even have a helmet?

Isn't it all just like a nano-tech suit or something? Or is he using someone else's helmet to send message?

My guess is he had just enough nanites left after his fight with Thanos to partially form an Iron Man helmet to record the message on.

Deleted member 7051 · Dec 18, 2018

The Kree said:
How do you think the fight against Thanos ends?

I'm going to guess that Thor aims for the head next time.

Oh yeah, Thor is totally killing him. My hope is Thor, Captain Marvel and Hulk team up and overwhelm him even with the Infinity Gauntlet, then Thor aims for the head.

IHaveIce · Dec 18, 2018

The Kree said:
I also had the idea that they would end it like Thanos Imperative, where Quill and Nova held him captive in the Cancerverse. I think some of the Avengers and Guardians will do the same somewhere, somehow. It leaves them with an opening to bring him back later if they want.

I would prefer this. Killing Villains off is the dumbest thing comicbook movies do

Alexandros · Dec 18, 2018

I agree that they'll leave the possibility open for Thanos to return. CGI character, everyone loves him, no way they completely kill him off.

okdakor · Dec 18, 2018

Wait for it, in 10 years the heroes will be trying to convince him to help them against a common enemy

Deleted member 1248 · Dec 18, 2018

okdakor said:
Wait for it, in 10 years the heroes will be trying to convince him to help them against a common enemy

I'm fine with this so long as they don't decide to present him with some kind of newfound sanity.

The Mad Titan stays mad.

Alexandros · Dec 18, 2018

okdakor said:
Wait for it, in 10 years the heroes will be trying to convince him to help them against a common enemy

Definitely.

okdakor · Dec 18, 2018

And what will they do with the stones ? In the comics, they once had Adam Warlock split them and Thanos kept one

TheZjman · Dec 18, 2018

okdakor said:
And what will they do with the stones ? In the comics, they once had Adam Warlock split them and Thanos kept one

It seems likely they will either be destroyed, or the original avengers will keep and utilise one each. Makes the most sense. I suspect they will destroy them.

Rvaan · Dec 18, 2018

The Kree said:
How do you think the fight against Thanos ends?

I'm going to guess that Thor aims for the head next time.

Carol gives him a 2 piece AND a biscuit to end everything.

The Kree said:
I'm fine with this so long as they don't decide to present him with some kind of newfound sanity.

The Mad Titan stays mad.

Avengers 5 will end like the Fate of the Furious.

Deleted member 1248 · Dec 18, 2018

okdakor said:
And what will they do with the stones ? In the comics, they once had Adam Warlock split them and Thanos kept one

Illuminati.

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