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Avengers: Endgame |Spoiler OT| Let's go get this son of a bitch

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Oct 26, 2017
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I've mentioned this before but I could see a scenario where she's still alive. Banner said he tried to get her back but how would he know he failed? Her body is on Vormir in the past. If she was revived she'd be on Vormir and Dr. Strange might not know if she's alive if she was.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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She tried to jump with Rhodey earlier but couldn’t because Bad Nebula was jacked into her network.
She never pressed the button to jump because Bad Nebula was jacked into her network, but she regained control after with plenty of time to jump, even after she finds that trying to communicate with Nat and Clint.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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She never pressed the button to jump because Bad Nebula was jacked into her network, but she regained control after with plenty of time to jump, even after she finds that trying to communicate with Nat and Clint.
Pretty positive that she hit the button and it didn't work.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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One thing I found interesting and how Age of Ultron was good was forshadowing was in this when the HQ is destroyed and Steve asks what happens Tony says something along the lines of "You mess with time...
That was a line that directly tied into 2012 Thanos appearing before them, wasn't it?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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That's what I was hoping. There's some posts on the consequences in this thread. If you think about it, say the reality where Hulk talks to TAO, then the Hulk from that reality would eventually go back in time and then there would be two Hulks trying to talk to TAO at the same time, three the next time, four, and so on. Plus, for every time this happens, all the other realities have to be branched (copied) as well, so it grows exponentially. It's not just something that can keep on growing, they either have to devise a system to stop it from happening, or there needs to be some outside intervening. Would be cool if they go in that direction, get even more real consequences for what Thanos did, and would be interesting in its own right.

But after the screenwriter's comments on how he understood time travel, I don't think that's happening. At least not by them :(
Well there wouldn't be 2 Hulks because there wasn't 2 Hulks. He was there alone. The branching timelines version of timetravel that they seem to be going with means that you can't change anything that has happened in a given timeline.

But you're right that it would mean that more timelines keep branching for every timeline that needs to use timetravel to fix things. Maybe they'll address that at some point.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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She never pressed the button to jump because Bad Nebula was jacked into her network, but she regained control after with plenty of time to jump, even after she finds that trying to communicate with Nat and Clint.
I don’t see any evidence in the movie that she regained control. She did press the button to jump, but she couldn’t because her location was scrambled up with Bad Nebula. Guess she can’t disable her WiFi
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Well there wouldn't be 2 Hulks because there wasn't 2 Hulks. He was there alone. The branching timelines version of timetravel that they seem to be going with means that you can't change anything that has happened in a given timeline.

But you're right that it would mean that more timelines keep branching for every timeline that needs to use timetravel to fix things. Maybe they'll address that at some point.
Alright, I'll do it again!

Say we have reality MCU0. MCU0 Hulk goes into the 'past' creating reality MCU1 and talks to TAO. MCU0 Hulk goes back. This is now history in MCU1.

So, now in the future MCU1 Hulk goes into the past again. This time creating reality MCU2. In he past MCU0 was there, so this time, MCU0 Hulk will already be there.

But wait! It can't be the original MCU0 Hulk, because that Hulk didn't see another Hulk! So now another reality must exist, say MCU0.1.

So now we have reality MCU0, MCU1, MCU2 and MCU0.1.

The next time, caused by MCU2's Hulk going back and creating another reality there will be MCU0, MCU1, MCU2, MCU3, MCU0.1, MCU0.2, and MCU1.1. I think.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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That's what I was hoping. There's some posts on the consequences in this thread. If you think about it, say the reality where Hulk talks to TAO, then the Hulk from that reality would eventually go back in time and then there would be two Hulks trying to talk to TAO at the same time, three the next time, four, and so on. Plus, for every time this happens, all the other realities have to be branched (copied) as well, so it grows exponentially. It's not just something that can keep on growing, they either have to devise a system to stop it from happening, or there needs to be some outside intervening. Would be cool if they go in that direction, get even more real consequences for what Thanos did, and would be interesting in its own right.

But after the screenwriter's comments on how he understood time travel, I don't think that's happening. At least not by them :(
No there wouldn’t be a buildup of Hulks talking to TAO at the same time. Prime Hulk lived threw Prime 2012, then eventually traveled to 2012A. If 2012A Hulk ends up going back in time to reverse a snap, he’d be going to yet another timeline, 2012B.

time traveling Hulks would never run into each other.

If your talking about there being too many universes, that’s not a problem. There are an infinite number of universes.
 
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Maybe Iron Man didn’t kill Thanos but instead his ”wish” was to just move Thanos and his army though time and space to their own 2014 Timeline with No memories of it!

Wouldn’t that use more of the Infinity Stones’s power?
For breaking down, moving though the quantum realm and rebuilding atoms with memories removed sound like it would use a lot more energy than just only to break them down or only to rebuild them?

At least this would make Iron Man a more mercyful Hero who even if when he could kill Thanos and his army didn’t choose to do that! That would prove that Tony Stark had a heart
Why would anyone in their right mind *not* kill Thanos? By killing that Thanos, he prevents him from doing the snap in his original timeline. Sure, there are infinite timelines in where the snap happens anyway, but whatever, fuck Thanos.

Not killing Thanos wouldn't make Tony merciful, it would make Tony stupid.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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And I'm telling you she didn't, lol. She was about to, but right before she pressed it she got interrupted by other Nebula.

You'll see eventually.
Seen the movie 3 times. I’m fairly positive she did. Why would her head go all haywire if she didn’t? It wasn’t just because Maw was accessing her memory file or should would have been malfunctioning before the attempt to jump.
 
Nov 30, 2017
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That's what I was hoping. There's some posts on the consequences in this thread. If you think about it, say the reality where Hulk talks to TAO, then the Hulk from that reality would eventually go back in time and then there would be two Hulks trying to talk to TAO at the same time, three the next time, four, and so on. Plus, for every time this happens, all the other realities have to be branched (copied) as well, so it grows exponentially. It's not just something that can keep on growing, they either have to devise a system to stop it from happening, or there needs to be some outside intervening. Would be cool if they go in that direction, get even more real consequences for what Thanos did, and would be interesting in its own right.

But after the screenwriter's comments on how he understood time travel, I don't think that's happening. At least not by them :(
No it won’t. Because of the butterfly effect. Going by multiverse theory every decision, thought, action creates a split universe, one where it happened, one where it didn’t.

Just from them appearing in alternate realities will have caused a butterfly effect to the rest of the future of that timeline. Could be minor and not much different. Could be major and ramifications could be huge positively or negatively for that timeline.

I don’t know what the definitive plans are for MCU involving time travel.

The Russos’ interview matches everything that was setup in Dr Strange. But then the writers of Endgame completely contradict it.

So are they going to follow what was setup in Dr Strange going forward or did they decide to abandon that idea.

All I know is If they plan on building up to Secret Wars then they better stick with the Dr Strange version.
 
Dec 19, 2017
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I watched some Indian reactions of the portal scene, and it was unbearable lol. Like a World Cup final. At the same time I can imagine Indian viewers going to a UK cinema and getting anxiety from how relatively quiet UK reactions are in comparison.

"...why is no one whistling and yelling? This is weird!"
 
Oct 27, 2017
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You could say the same about litteraly every space faring faction or hero. Why didn't Odin stop Thanos for example.
Not really. A. I'm not sure Odin COULD stop Thanos. Hell, Asgard had enough trouble just fending off the Dark Elves. B. And they DID protect their client worlds. I'm sure if Thanos had directly attacked one of the nine realms or whatever then the Asgardians would have responded.

Granted, the MCU cosmic universe is a murky, murky place. Relationships between intergalactic peoples are ill-defined at best, mostly non-existent apparently so hard to say how closely tey follow what happens on other worlds. You could say the same thing about any Avenger who didn't show up to help a fellow hero out in a pinch, really. But CM is SUCH a "win button" character and seems to effortlessly move around the universe without any limitations that it seems odd that in 30 years of space faring she never seemed to encounter Thanos or any of his minions and just curb stomp them. Clearly the mothership recognized her prowess because they all turned their guns on her the second she hit atmo so maybe they did have some inkling of what she could/would do. The GOTG spent a whole movie or 2 trying to circumvent Thanos so I don't see why anyone would think they didn't do their part. Anyway, given how easily and quickly CM can deal with pretty much anything I hope they come up with a reasonable limiting factor for her other than "I don't care to do that right now".
 
Oct 25, 2017
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That’s not a problem either, because there are an infinite number of universes.
You don't understand, it's going to cause a mess even if the universes are infinite. Eventually there will be universes where the time travelers will get crowded and they won't be able to time travel anymore to get infinity stones. In the meanwhile, the number of universes will go up exponentially as well. although that might not be a problem in and of itself when the number of universes is infinite, if shit starts to regularly go bad consistently after a few iterations, an untold amount will be caused. So it doesn't just end with returning the stones, there will be more and more consequences with each iteration.
 
Nov 30, 2017
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Multiverse is exactly what I'm talking about. Read my post where I explain it.
Just from them appearing there can cause a butterfly effect in that reality where they even don’t discover timetravel. Let’s look at what happened in 2012. Sure the Ancient One is back to as nothing happened.

However young Steve is aware that Bucky is alive way before he discovers it in the original timeline. That can lead to major ramifications.

Also instead of Loki and the Tesseract ending up in Asgard, Loki takes off with it. Just think about the ramifications of that especially with the headspace that Loki is in at that moment of his life.

But yes with your original statement. Just with the multiverse theory alone there could be an infinite amount of realities where the Avengers travel back in time, however the teams that go could be different, the places the teams go could be different.

One version of Thanos could figure out a way to reverse engineer the pym particles another could never figure it out and end up gathering the stones like he does in infinity War but having learned of his future, instead of snapping half the population away he rebuilds the universe to his liking.

Could be one universe where Thanos becomes the Sircerer Supreme and fights Dormammu to save it his universe.

Infinite possiblities. It’s hard for us to wrap our head around.

The MCU is apart of the multiverse of Marvel comics. Marvel Comics is universe 616, MCU is 199999. There could be a future where a 616 character runs into an MCU character. Lol
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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Infinite possiblities. It’s hard for us to wrap our head around.
You're talking about the multiverse itself. What I'm talking about is a direct consequence of the avengers time traveling. Sure, eventually it's all just part of the multiverse, but it's part of the multiverse the avengers are directly responsible for.

It could be an interesting and fun narrative for the avengers to deal with. Perhaps a multiverse character can come in to play and make the avengers fix the mess they caused or some such. Perhaps people from one of the alternate realities where the accumulation of time travelers had severe consequences figured out how to travel to the original timeline that started the time travel shenanigans and come to get revenge.
 
Nov 30, 2017
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You're talking about the multiverse itself. What I'm talking about is a direct consequence of the avengers time traveling. Sure, eventually it's all just part of the multiverse, but it's part of the multiverse the avengers are directly responsible for.

It could be an interesting and fun narrative for the avengers to deal with. Perhaps a multiverse character can come in to play and make the avengers fix the mess they caused or some such. Perhaps people from one of the alternate realities where the accumulation of time travelers had severe consequences figured out how to travel to the original timeline that started the time travel shenanigans and come to get revenge.
Are you aware of the the What If series on Disney Plus?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Seen the movie 3 times. I’m fairly positive she did. Why would her head go all haywire if she didn’t? It wasn’t just because Maw was accessing her memory file or should would have been malfunctioning before the attempt to jump.
She did not. She freezes when Rhodney warps back and then falls to the ground.
 
Mar 18, 2018
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Clint: "So, before me and Natasha go get the Soulstone, is there anything we need to know? Like do we need to know anything important about how to get it? Is there anything we need to do to find it? Anything we'd really need to know beforehand?"

Nebula: "... ... ...No."
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Clint: "So, before me and Natasha go get the Soulstone, is there anything we need to know? Like do we need to know anything important about how to get it? Is there anything we need to do to find it? Anything we'd need to know beforehand?

Nebula: "... ... ...No."
She didn't know the soul stone requirement of a soul for a soul, she only knows Thanos killed Gamora on Vormir. She doesn't know why. For all she knows Gamora tried to stop him and he killed her.
 
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