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Avengers: Endgame |Spoiler OT| Let's go get this son of a bitch

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Oct 27, 2017
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For a 3 hour movie, it went surprisingly fast on my second watch.

Whether or not this movie deserves any recognition for artistry, the sheer scope and range of the MCU deserves some sort of commendation. The fact that they were able to wrap up a 22 movie series satisfyingly, with just the right amount of fan service, in incredible. I really hope there's a documentary in the works. It'd be really interesting to see just how much was planned from the start, and what was added later.

edit: also I want a standalone Cap movie of him going back in time solo.
Yeah, it's well paced and it really is an achievement on a manner of levels

That being said, I didn't stick with me nowhere near Infinity War did
….also, I'm REALLY getting sick of giant CG battles :(
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Doom would be perfect with the right approach in a post-Thanos world.

The whole point of Doom is he thinks the world (even the universe) is at risk from greater threats than humanity is capable of dealing with, that the world is disorganized, hateful, and divided to stand against them, and has the arrogance to assume that if he were to unite the world under his rule he could save all of humanity through his "benevolent" dictatorship.

... And, depending on the context of the story, he's entirely right. When he confronted the gods of Black Panther, they judged him as entirely righteous in his goals and ambitions. His methods are often extreme and villainous, but his ultimate aims are altruistic.




He's the hero of his own story.

In a post-Thanos world, he would see his need to unite and rule even more important than ever before.
but his name is doctor DOOM
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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What if the destroyed gems would return to thier birth places? For example Souls Stone would go back to Vorimir?
Strange told that's he would do everything to make the Time Stone safe.

And what if the sound we hear at the end is someone forging a new Gauntlet?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Texas
So, why couldn’t the Soul Stone resurrect Tony? They explained Black Widow away since she was sacrificed to acquire it. Can it only resurrect souls that it has taken? What’s the point of that?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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So that’s basically the OG Avengers done.

- iron man dead
- black widow dead
- Hawkeye basically retired - can’t see him coming back except maybe in the black widow movie
- OG cap is retired
- hulk is around but quite happy on his own so may disappear for a few movies
- Thor is basically off with GotG for some fun
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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So, why couldn’t the Soul Stone resurrect Tony? They explained Black Widow away since she was sacrificed to acquire it. Can it only resurrect souls that it has taken? What’s the point of that?
You just made me relaise that if the Stones are so powerfull why not just made the whole Avengers team/army immortal?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Yep, apparently that will be one of the big points of Far From Home. Half of his former class will be 5 years older.
That makes for an interesting plot device. Just got home from an 11am showing and it was packed. Best moment was when Captain America said ”Avengers Assemble” at the climax and the guy behind me yelled “FUCK YEAH!”
 
Apr 27, 2018
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So, why couldn’t the Soul Stone resurrect Tony? They explained Black Widow away since she was sacrificed to acquire it. Can it only resurrect souls that it has taken? What’s the point of that?
Think of it as raising the dead like Aragorn and the Army of the Dead rather than just bring someone back to life. Some sort of spirit/ghost deal, it deals with a person's soul not their body.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Speaking of the time stone... didn't the ancient one say that a universe without a time stone is fucked?
How will the prime universe survive without it?
assume this is part of the plot for future MCU movies.
This, but also worth remembering that a universe pre-2016 would be completely doomed without the Time Stone specifically, since Strange wouldn't be able to hold off Dormammu without it.
 

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This, but also worth remembering that a universe pre-2016 would be completely doomed without the Time Stone specifically, since Strange wouldn't be able to hold off Dormammu without it.
But when Strange and Time Stone where gone, did that make lift the spell that was holding off Dormammu?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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So.Cal.
Who was paying for Clint's wife's cellphone plan for FIVE YEARS?
If he's under some Avengers family plan, I can understand maybe a year after the snap. But who would still have working phone coverage after 5 years. Also, why would her phone even be around and charged after 5 years?
 

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Jul 2, 2018
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But when Strange and Time Stone where gone, did that make lift the spell that was holding off Dormammu?
Dormammu never had a spell put on him after Strange's movie. Strange kept him away via the threat of the Time Stone's powers, not any actual application of the Time Stone post-movie.
 
Dec 16, 2018
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Just saw it. Pretty big meh for me but I've only really liked only a couple of the Marvel movies.

Fat Thor rules. Wish he got the killing blow.

The time travel solution was lame.

Has anyone explained how Thanos snapped in Infinity Wars since he straight up skipped that time period? ---- Thanos wasn't present in the Universe from 2014 to 2023(?) as far as I can figure since Nebula time skipped him to this final battle. Seems like this negates Thanos collecting the stones in the first place among a lot of other things, like Quill even ever meeting Gomora in the first place and Nebula's storyline being very problematic.
 

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Oct 29, 2017
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Who was paying for Clint's wife's cellphone plan for FIVE YEARS?
If he's under some Avengers family plan, I can understand maybe a year after the snap. But who would still have working phone coverage after 5 years. Also, why would her phone even be around and charged after 5 years?
Yet another feat showing for Professor Hulk.

He didn't just bring people back, he had to do the 5 year jump, save all the people from planes crashing when pilots left, save cell phone plans, etc.

Stark just had to wish away some people on the battlefield :D
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Who was paying for Clint's wife's cellphone plan for FIVE YEARS?
If he's under some Avengers family plan, I can understand maybe a year after the snap. But who would still have working phone coverage after 5 years. Also, why would her phone even be around and charged after 5 years?
It's called dramatic license. You can't tell me you were actually THINKING this in the moment.
 
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Oct 27, 2017
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Who was paying for Clint's wife's cellphone plan for FIVE YEARS?
If he's under some Avengers family plan, I can understand maybe a year after the snap. But who would still have working phone coverage after 5 years. Also, why would her phone even be around and charged after 5 years?
Some people have prepaid SIMs. If the phone company is still around, or its successor honours the phone credit, the phone can be used. But this is just a narrative device, it's best not to get hung up on trivial detail.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Just saw it. Pretty big meh for me but I've only really liked only a couple of the Marvel movies.

Fat Thor rules. Wish he got the killing blow.

The time travel solution was lame.

Has anyone explained how Thanos snapped in Infinity Wars since he straight up skipped that time period? ---- Thanos wasn't present in the Universe from 2014 to 2023(?) as far as I can figure since Nebula time skipped him to this final battle. Seems like this negates Thanos collecting the stones in the first place among a lot of other things, like Quill even ever meeting Gomora in the first place and Nebula's storyline being very problematic.
Thanos time jumping from 2014 to 2023 created new alternative timeline, but didn't change the one we were following for the last 11 years.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Just saw it. Pretty big meh for me but I've only really liked only a couple of the Marvel movies.

Fat Thor rules. Wish he got the killing blow.

The time travel solution was lame.

Has anyone explained how Thanos snapped in Infinity Wars since he straight up skipped that time period? ---- Thanos wasn't present in the Universe from 2014 to 2023(?) as far as I can figure since Nebula time skipped him to this final battle. Seems like this negates Thanos collecting the stones in the first place among a lot of other things, like Quill even ever meeting Gomora in the first place and Nebula's storyline being very problematic.
They spell it out for you, it doesn’t work like Back to the Future, every timeline is an alternate timeline.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Just saw it. Pretty big meh for me but I've only really liked only a couple of the Marvel movies.

Fat Thor rules. Wish he got the killing blow.

The time travel solution was lame.

Has anyone explained how Thanos snapped in Infinity Wars since he straight up skipped that time period? ---- Thanos wasn't present in the Universe from 2014 to 2023(?) as far as I can figure since Nebula time skipped him to this final battle. Seems like this negates Thanos collecting the stones in the first place among a lot of other things, like Quill even ever meeting Gomora in the first place and Nebula's storyline being very problematic.
They explained how time travel worked in this movie like 4 times and some of ya'll were still on your phones during it smh lol
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Russo Brothers: Alright, to explain time works differently I am going to have everyone be incredibly disappointed that their favorite time travel movies are false. Then I will emphasize multiple times that time travel isn't linear.

Certain Moviegoers that love being obtuse: HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN TIME TRAVEL IS LINEAR!?!?!?!?!? I DON'T CARE WHAT THE AVENGERS SAY I AM GOING TO MISUNDERSTAND TO THE ANCIENT ONE'S LINE THAN PRETEND I KNOW MORE THAN ANYONE!

No, seriously, it's not that hard to understand, nor confusing. At the very least it's far more understandable than people finagling and twisting logic beyond comprehension so they can pretend the ACTUAL STATED REASON HOW TIME TRAVEL WORKS doesn't exist.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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But when Strange and Time Stone where gone, did that make lift the spell that was holding off Dormammu?
...There is no spell holding off Dormamu. It was a deal. Like, at this point I'm questioning people's ability to watch movies. It was never a spell that held off Dormammu, it was a deal. Dormamu goes free from Dr. Strange's timeloop, Dormamu takes his followers and never bothers the main dimension again.
 
...There is no spell holding off Dormamu. It was a deal. Like, at this point I'm questioning people's ability to watch movies. It was never a spell that held off Dormammu, it was a deal. Dormamu goes free from Dr. Strange's timeloop, Dormamu takes his followers and never bothers the main dimension again.
Or at least until he finds out Strange doesn't have the Time Gem any more and thus cannot trap him with it.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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No, seriously, it's not that hard to understand, nor confusing. At the very least it's far more understandable than people finagling and twisting logic beyond comprehension so they can pretend the ACTUAL STATED REASON HOW TIME TRAVEL WORKS doesn't exist.
I would hardly call Hulk's "your present becomes your past, your past becomes your present" infodump as being "not that hard to understand, nor confusing" lol

Certainly the easier way to explain that changing the past doesn't change the future, but creates an alternate future instead, would've been to just say exactly that.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I would hardly call Hulk's "your present becomes your past, your past becomes your present" infodump as being "not that hard to understand, nor confusing" lol

Certainly the easier way to explain that changing the past doesn't change the future, but creates an alternate future instead, would've been to just say exactly that.
HE DOES SAY EXACTLY THAT!
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Just saw it. Pretty big meh for me but I've only really liked only a couple of the Marvel movies.

Fat Thor rules. Wish he got the killing blow.

The time travel solution was lame.

Has anyone explained how Thanos snapped in Infinity Wars since he straight up skipped that time period? ---- Thanos wasn't present in the Universe from 2014 to 2023(?) as far as I can figure since Nebula time skipped him to this final battle. Seems like this negates Thanos collecting the stones in the first place among a lot of other things, like Quill even ever meeting Gomora in the first place and Nebula's storyline being very problematic.
Sounds like you missed the whole explanation of how time travel works...

The Thanos from the end of Endgame is from a different timeline than the one who snapped in IW.

This explains all of your ‘problems’.
 
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