- Oct 26, 2017
Is it possible that they are doing movies involving the different timelines introduced in EG?
First time watching it I actually had a smile on my face when after the explosions it was revealed Hulk was holding up the debris near Rhodey and Rocket as I assumed he was about to do something awesome to get out of there, reverting to savage Hulk or something. I still liked the moment when Ant-Man goes to make the save but opening night I was a little disappointed how that moment played out.
For reals... all big 3 (iron man, cap and thor) went out in the best way possible. It's going to be super hard to find as charismatic actors as downing and evans for phase 4 and beyond.Finally watched it.
What a perfect ending. Both Captain and Tony finally at peace, after all the bullshit they've been through.
I wish there was one more Hulk vs Thanos fight during the big epic battle, like a personal fight. I would of loved it and that Hulk is so pissed at what happened that he turns back into the barbaric, animal Hulk while kicking Thanos' ass.
Haha yes this is more what I mean. The use of time travel guaranteed from day one that this thread would be filled almost entirely about how it works or doesnt work rather than about the other hundred interesting things about the movie.
Seems pretty unlikely, although maybe that Loki Disney+ series will follow the Loki who escaped with the Tesseract in 2012. Which puts a new spin on the "Loki messes with history" premise of the show.
Not if they want to retain a coherent story. Maybe as a premise for a TV show, but even then they're probably better off from a branding point of view if they keep everything important in a single timeline.
I mean, he didnt go out per se anyway, but I have a hard time believing Thor went out the best way possible. Unless depressed, fat and directionless is as good as it gets!
2012B Is a copy of 2012A up until the point a time-traveler arrives. from that point on, it’s a completely different universe. Prior to that point, there are no timetravelers to copy over to the new branch.This only applies if 2012A Hulk goes bacl in time to before 2012 Hulk arrived, which is in no way a guarantee. they will choose to arrive earlier than the other sometime.
At the same time should be no different than if it were afterward, I don't see why that wouldn't happen then, since that is what happened reality 2012A.
But, even if its before, or at the exact same moment, Hulk 2012 arriving in the universe is a completely external factor. There isn't anything they can do to change that, so even if 2012A Hulk goes back in time to before 2012 Hulk arrived, 2012' Hulk would still arrive, otherwise it wouldn't be an actual copy of 2012A.
Except when 2012A Feral Hulk grows up, theres presumably no space stone because in that universe Loki stole it, so theres a chance that the snap never even happens in that universe.Sigh.
There’s only ever two Hulks in any given timeline. Let’s just walk it through.
2012 Prime Hulk Is feral. He grows up, survives the snap, and becomes Smart Hulk. He then travels back in time to 2012A. He sees feral 2012A Hulk. He then gets the timestone then returns to Prime timeline.
2012A feral Hulk grows up, survives the snap in his universe. Becomes smart hulk. He then Travels back in time to 2012B. He sees feral 2012B Hulk, gets the timestone, then returns to 2012A. (He never sees 2012 prime hulk, because 2012 prime hulk never comes to 2012B)
2012B feral hulk grows up, survives the snap in his universe. Becomes smart hulk. He then travels back in time to 2012C. He encounters feral 2012C Hulk, gets the timestone, then returns to 2012B. (He never sees 2012 Hulk or 2012A Hulk, because those guys never come to 2012C.)
Rinse and repeat. There’s no accumulation.
She grapples it on to him after they go over the cliff, so that he's the one hanging from it rather than her. That way he can't detach himself or he'd kill them both.So after seeing it a 2nd time, something that caught my eye with Clint and Nat when getting the Soul stone... Did Widow slip her Stinger bracelet onto Clint while they were fighting? Cause we know she's the one that has the grappling hook and she slyly launches it and hooks it onto Clint as they're falling. But when we see Clint with the gauntlet in the tunnels, it looks like he has one of Widow's Stinger bracelets on as he also uses a grappling hook to ascent upwards. Now I can't remember if he shot an arrow up for it or not.
Yeah, she gave Clint one of her Stingers before she fell. You can see it on him when he first wakes up after getting the Soul Stone too.So after seeing it a 2nd time, something that caught my eye with Clint and Nat when getting the Soul stone... Did Widow slip her Stinger bracelet onto Clint while they were fighting? Cause we know she's the one that has the grappling hook and she slyly launches it and hooks it onto Clint as they're falling. But when we see Clint with the gauntlet in the tunnels, it looks like he has one of Widow's Stinger bracelets on as he also uses a grappling hook to ascent upwards. Now I can't remember if he shot an arrow up for it or not.
Yeah, I noticed that part. I guess what I was getting it is the later part when he's in the tunnels.
Oh ok, nice. I knew I wasn't crazy.
Yes, it's an exact copy up to that point, but that also means that at that point in time, there was a copy of 2012 reality where it was set in motion that a Hulk would go to 2012B.2012B Is a copy of 2012A up until the point a time-traveler arrives. from that point on it’s a completely different universe. Prior to that point, there are no timetravelers to copy over to the new branch.
2012 Hulk can’t be in 2012A and 2012B and 2012C, because 2012Hulks history is set in stone, and he never encountered multiple time travelers in the history that we witnessed.
haha... what I meant was that he is now supposed to be who he really is and not some king to live up to his father as his mom advised. :)
Oh come on! Time travel shenanigans are fun, and it's cool to think of the possibilities. Lord knows we don't have many time travel movies that are logically consistent or non paradoxical.
Yeah this is true. We probably shouldn’t have been using 2012 as an example because the timeline changed so much. Would’ve been better to use the Aether timeline.
Mar-Vel was working on Project Pegasus which was part of SHIELD. So technically SHIELD has had it in possession since Howard fished it out of the ocean in the 40's.So Pierce says the tesseract has been Shield property for seventy years. Tony goes and pulls it out of a box in the seventies, so that seems fair, they must have pulled it out of the ocean and boxed it away.
... so why did Mar-Vell have it? I thought they were retelling the history of the tesseract with that movie, implying Shield didn't get ahold of it until that cat puked it up on Fury's desk. But I guess not? Did Mar-Vell steal it from Shield in the 90s?
I think Kang is perfect for whatever they end up calling the Young Avengers. (Although it might seem a weird introduction to the character.)So, we now have an alternate universe where Loki got the Tesseract early. Another where Thanos died before GotG, and another one where Cap stayed behind and probably prevented a bunch of bad stuff from happening, correct?
What do you think is more likely, Ultimate MCU, Incursions, Kang, Secret War Doom, or something else?
Yeah, it's well paced and it really is an achievement on a manner of levelsFor a 3 hour movie, it went surprisingly fast on my second watch.
Whether or not this movie deserves any recognition for artistry, the sheer scope and range of the MCU deserves some sort of commendation. The fact that they were able to wrap up a 22 movie series satisfyingly, with just the right amount of fan service, in incredible. I really hope there's a documentary in the works. It'd be really interesting to see just how much was planned from the start, and what was added later.
edit: also I want a standalone Cap movie of him going back in time solo.
but his name is doctor DOOMDoom would be perfect with the right approach in a post-Thanos world.
The whole point of Doom is he thinks the world (even the universe) is at risk from greater threats than humanity is capable of dealing with, that the world is disorganized, hateful, and divided to stand against them, and has the arrogance to assume that if he were to unite the world under his rule he could save all of humanity through his "benevolent" dictatorship.
... And, depending on the context of the story, he's entirely right. When he confronted the gods of Black Panther, they judged him as entirely righteous in his goals and ambitions. His methods are often extreme and villainous, but his ultimate aims are altruistic.
He's the hero of his own story.
In a post-Thanos world, he would see his need to unite and rule even more important than ever before.
Eish, Craptain America is one of the reasons I just don't like Avengers 1 that much. So glad Winter Soldier happened.
Using it would probally kill you. As mentioned in previously films.
You just made me relaise that if the Stones are so powerfull why not just made the whole Avengers team/army immortal?
Yep, apparently that will be one of the big points of Far From Home. Half of his former class will be 5 years older.
Loki is emitting a force field with the sceptre. Bullets don’t even touch him. When cap tries to punch him on the side he doesn’t even touch his body.
That makes for an interesting plot device. Just got home from an 11am showing and it was packed. Best moment was when Captain America said ”Avengers Assemble” at the climax and the guy behind me yelled “FUCK YEAH!”
Think of it as raising the dead like Aragorn and the Army of the Dead rather than just bring someone back to life. Some sort of spirit/ghost deal, it deals with a person's soul not their body.
This, but also worth remembering that a universe pre-2016 would be completely doomed without the Time Stone specifically, since Strange wouldn't be able to hold off Dormammu without it.
But when Strange and Time Stone where gone, did that make lift the spell that was holding off Dormammu?