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Avengers: Endgame |Spoiler OT2| Changing the past doesn't change the future
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Yeah. Or maybe mobile phones in the Marvel universe don't need to be charged up all the time. If the Stark technology can keep a huge Helicarrier in the air indefinitely I don't see why similar energy densities might not be achieved in consumer devices.
That's a lot of Scoville! Or three Iron Man's worth of weirdness.
While we're putting numbers on things:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_childhood_obesity
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The thing is, you can never be sure what the effects of the changes would be. It could make matters worse.
The worst case scenario of not changing anything is the alternate Avengers will come Up with a similar plan to undo Thanos' work.
I know, right?!? How much do you think the beef lobby paid to have this invasive commercial displayed to influence children?
I'm thinking of boycotting any movie that doesn't showcase children EXCLUSIVELY having vegan diets.
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Wasn't crazy about IW but I thought this was kinda brilliant. Surprisingly thoughtfull and emotional. They really could have gone lot lighter and got away fine but everyone brought their A game instead.
True. But I can't see much going wrong with "summon Captain Marvel and go handle this Thanos guy before he gets any of the stones".
I assume there's a missing sarcasm tag there. In any case I certainly won't be boycotting films for dietary reasons. That doesn't mean I think it's great to encourage small children to eat junk food.
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They didn't encourage small children to eat junk food anymore than they encouraged children to hunt down Triad.
The mere depiction of something isn't an endorsement of it. A child asking for a cheeseburger isn't some spectacular occurrence.
Its hard to imagine something going wrong... But what if Captain Marvel was lost in the attempt?
Or what if someone worse than Thanos fills the void he leaves?
The context is relevant. A grieving child asks for a cheeseburger and one of her parent figures promises her as many as she can eat. Without showing any sign of awareness that this might send inappropriate signals, the writers thus revived an obscure moment from Iron Man's cinematic history and elevated it to a defining characteristic explicitly associated with children's dietary choices.
It's not the worst thing, but it's the only really jarring moment of the posthumous sequence in this film.
What's jarring is that you believe this moment is sending signals.
Children don't generally have dietary choices. They eat what is provided to them. MAYBE, some small kid, somewhere will be compelled to ask his/her parents for a burger after watching this movie, at which this parent will say yes or no- just like they had been doing prior to this movies release.
The writers didn't show awareness because the notion that the scene is problematic is nonsensical. This film isn't about to negatively change anyone's diet.
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I mean these are big illogical leaps, and a slippery slope of nonsense that can be applied to a majority of films if you nitpick enough.
Which odds?
Tiny odds are the basis of action oriented entertainment.
I think you don't understand the context because maybe you haven't a relation as strong with the main characters as most of the fans that were there from the beginning or know the films by heart.
While I completely get your concerns, that was a nod to a moment of the first film and let me tell you, it's the moment that it literally broke me in the theaters, not one, but nine times. It's an over exaggeration, it works as a cute funny moment but in truth it's something to remind the audience how while Tony isn't there anymore, that he sacrificed his life for his friends and family, his daughter still carries a lot of him in her. It works in so many levels because the actor who plays Happy is the director of the first film, he also became very close to RDJ for obvious reasons in the last 11 years. Also, it is not a coincidence that the "I love you 3000" thing sounds so real: that is an actual thing between Downey and his kids. That moment is special and of course that Happy won't give all the cheeseburgers in the world. That scene serves to imply that Happy will help raise her in his father's absence, and it's just... hard, for those who have been following these characters for so long.
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The odds that a forest wouldn't lose any trees or even a noticeable amount of trees if each tree has a 1/2 odd dog disappearing.
And I don't think that particular practically impassible thing is a part of the entertainment of the movie.
All popular culture sends signals. It's how it works. For instance, white guy in white coat with stethoscope used to be the American representation of a medical doctor, long after this stopped being representative of the American medical community. As time goes on this representation has been challenged, revised, reasserted, subverted and so on, but the signal is still there as a stereotype.
I thought you may have were talking about surviving the bombardment from Thanos' ship.
As far as the plantlife thing... The fact that he snaps the whole universe, i'd day the probability is high that there are forests where an observer wouldn't notice plants getting snapped.
OK. What is the signal being sent by a girl asking for a burger?
Maybe moviegoers will start to think children ask for burgers?
I think it's reasonable to assume that the film has been watched by far more people than any tiny band of superfans. I get the reason why this scene and similar ones resonated so well with you. This doesn't change my concern. I would have similar concerns if Tony were depicted as a cigarette smoker and Peter were shown enjoying the same brand of cigarette as a reference to his erstwhile patron.
You can't "wish" one back from the dead with the infinity gauntlet. That is not how it works.
When people go this far to find a problem with your film you gotta be doing something right
Maybe little children will start to think they deserve all the burgers they want.
The substantial signal here is that a burger is a reasonable food choice for an adult to offer to a five-year-old.
I didn't invent the obesity epidemic.
The combinatorics show that the odds are actually very very very extremely low.
I think it's a great film. I feel very uncomfortable about that scene.
Personally I'm just pissed she didn't get fries with her burger.
Blatant child abuse to deny her french fries.
You didn't invent trolling either but you've certainly perfected it.
For example, you can't bring back either Nat or Gamora by simply "wishing" them back with the gauntlet. You can't really revert your wounds for using the gauntlet, let alone revert someone's death that wasn't done unaturally.
At least... For now. Maybe with the recasting?
from what it's said in the movie, gamora and nat can't be brought back to life because they were the payment for the soul stone, it's a specific rule to avoid an easily exploitable loophole where you sacrifice someone for the gem and then wish him/her back with the gauntlet, effectively sacrificing nothing and making the porve pointless...but for the rest of the world there shouldn't be any kind of problem, the gauntlet is described as literally being able to rewrite reality, kill half the universe with a snap, terraforming an inhabitable planet and , yes, bringing people back to life like they did with half of the universe in the movie (sure it might be a special case just vecause it was the gauntlet that did it in the first place, but it's never said or specified so in the movie)
Thanos himself says that he is gonna use it to delete the entire universe and create a new one.
the only price is the amount of energy you have to withstand to be able to use it..but the hulk just did it and ended up just with a wounded arm..he has the other perfectly healthy
hell, they can even just wait for him to heal and then wish tony stark back to life..again, nothing in the movie seens to indicate they can't do that.
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I'm going to eat a cheeseburger tonight and I'm going to bloody enjoy it
The universe is huge. We don't know for sure that it isn't infinite, in which case it follows that there will be an infinite number of even the most unlikely combinations.
But in this situation I'm happy to attribute stuff like this to a minor continuity error and/or artistic licence.
Wendy's S'awesome bacon burger wins all for me. Though as long as it's not McDonald's I'm good
I don't think we know how it works. As far as Thanos is concerned often things work a little like in the Roger Rabbit universe, where impossible things can only happen if they're funny. Bruce Banner mentions that he tried unsuccessfully to bring someone back to life (Natasha?) but possibly this failure is due to her being a sacrifice to the Soul Stone.
I'm not arguing that it's impossible. I'm arguing that it's unlikely. And that isn't how probability works with infinity.
There are an infinite number of integers. There are an infinite number of integers that are divisible by 1,000,000,000,000. But the odds that a random integer is divisible by 1,000,000,000,000 is still 1/1,000,000,000,000.
when you think about it the shwarma scene was just disgusting propaganda
I bet some children left that movie wanting to try lamb
imagine the signal that sent to impressionable minds, that it's ok to just flush your exercise down the toilet with a carb and fat filled meal
kevin feige and the entire MCU should be ashamed
I bet some children left that movie wanting to try lamb
imagine the signal that sent to impressionable minds, that it's ok to just flush your exercise down the toilet with a carb and fat filled meal
kevin feige and the entire MCU should be ashamed
I agree that it would be disturbing, if that's what you mean. Childhood obesity is a serious health issue, so I don't see why we should not be equally concerned
Funny enough, I did grab a burger last night. It was delicious.
No cheese though. Lactose intolerant.
No cheese though. Lactose intolerant.
I don't think you can revert the damage done to the wielder of the infinity stones. Hulk won't be healing either. So death or injury, it's one way trip.
Have you tried marketing your brand?
I'm sure a ton of wet blankets would love to invest in Unhappy Meals
Shawarma is a fairly healthy meal when served with the traditional Middle Eastern garnishes, and no children were depicted in the scene. I must confess I think I've failed to make my point with sufficient clarity.