My post wasn't directed at you if you're already aware of what he said.
That wasn't the point of my post. I'm not arguing one way or the other. I'm literally just posting his actual statements in an argument about his statements.
It's working with whether or not they are getting paid appearance fees. If you appear on another person's stream, you get their audience, and some of that translates into more views for your stream, which translates into more money for you.
If the time period were completely different and the motivation were completely different and the dynamics of the situation were completely different then yeah I suspect my appraisal of the whole thing would be different. I don't think you do yourself any favors by claiming that this guy's lily-livered attempt to not upset his wife is roughly the same as Jim Crow.
After the fact, yes. My damage had already been done.
On top of this, have a spine and directly confront the nonsense in your twitch chat. If people are shipping, being toxic, harassing, etc. call it out.
Polygon link a couple of posts above you have his actual statements, posted by your friendly neighborhood kaiju.
Yeah, I am referring to his initial post:
which I agree with. The problem is that he used this argument against a woman, and instead of admitting he was wrong for assuming she was a man speaking for women, he continued to argue her feelings were wrong, which... is against his initial argument.
That's great advice but if Ninja's SO is the reason why he behaves the way he does and he isn't running away, isn't the situation different regarding his appearently misogynistic behaviour? I think that's a crappy relationship to be in but him respecting his SO's wishes and outsiders taking those wishes into consideration regarding all of this, as dumb as those wishes are, isn't misogynistic. Would you agree with that? (all of this only matters if that's the sole reason why he refuses to play with women anyway. Might as well be an excuse, we will never know unless his SO speaks up.)
We have? Well never mind then.
I presented a counter-point to her argument, And exampled your post. Im not here to "attack" "silence" or "talk over" women. Im as genuinely interested in the topic. Its a discussion board. Im discussing a topic.
Yeah, my intention was to highlight her post and I got called a mansplainer and accused of silencing. Now Im kinda lost on how Im even supposed to be involved in the discussion other than not at all. I just got called "part of the problem" while not recieving any counter-discussion on the point both her and I made.
That's not a good analogy, at all. They are in a relationship and him respecting her set rules in said relationship (a rule that only adresses the both of them) isn't the same as her being racist and him enabling said racist views.
Just saw them, thank you, friendly neighborhood kaiju.
Yeap, people are super insolated if they think that doesn't happen.
This is discrimination, period, and I agree it shouldn't take a discussion with the affected parties to reach that conclusion. However, women here should be allowed to speak up about it, as it directly affects them, without being shouted down by men. As you point out, legacyzero isn't being honest in his stance, because he favors a side and is cherry-picking women who he feels agrees with him, instead of taking his advice and listening to the women here, who are free to disagree with the female streamers, if they want.
you don't know what you're talking about. you just don't. i know what i'm saying, and i'm saying it for a reason. i'm not just making shit up. i've talked to several women, back on GAF and now on ERA, who said they don't bother posting because it's not worth having to deal with the site's misogyny. you're not a defender of women, and we don't need you to defend us. just stop.
He's self employed, that really doesn't apply. It's like if I were a welder, and told my boss I was gonna go weld something. That's fine cause that's my job. But if I worked at Starbucks and told my boss I'm gonna go to the back and weld, that's obviously wrong.
I had a couple of friends who started watching JonTron's work until I told them he was a racist. They were horrified and stopped watching him immediately. I think folks like him come up really high in searches and recommendations, and people who see that are none the wiser. Unfortunately YouTube's algorithms can promote some terrible stuff.
People can be jealous and it's up to the other person whether they tolerate said jealousy within their relationship. If a woman wishes her boyfriend to not speak with other women that's insanely dumb and unhealthy, but him following her dumb wish isn't misogynistic. Or do you think her having these dumb wishes is misogynistic? If you want to argue that jealousy is inherently misogynistic go head, but in my book your analogy still doesn't make a lick of sense because jealousy has fuck all to do with racism.
Good point. I guess I'm with you there. I still think the statements been blown out of proportion though
Streaming with Ellen on a TV show is a little different than with a woman streamer. Ellen is also a lesbian. So apparently only women who aren't attracted to men are ok to stream with according to him.
I feel like youre pulling at threads in the real example I presented, and those threads arent based in reality though. Thats not how any of this works. I agree with your "why would you" and "why wouldnt you" points in theory. But they dont necessarily exist in practice. We can dance with those two points all day long, but theyre rarely ever present in the real world. I know. Im an example of it.
Also he donates money all the time to charities, was on Ellen DeGeneres and What was he talked There? The talk was about raising Monet to charity. People voted for him he won.
Now raising money for charities automatically makes you a good person and invalidates any concerns of discrimination?
There is no discrimination, its his choise of who he wants to stream and his reason is legit, thinking about his wife and family.
