Look, if you aren't arguing in bad faith, then you need to realize that psychowave can disagree with the female streamers that are cool with Ninja's position all she likes, because she's a woman. The problem is men here dismissing her because those streamers feel the way they do.
yep
just because you don't intend to be racist, it doesn't mean you get a free pass when you do something racist
Discussing counter-points does not equall dismissing. Ive not once dismissed her. All shes done is call me things and shout ME down. I even stated that I WANTED to hear her out on her disagreement of your (and my) position. She hasnt done that. I feel like my interaction with her has gone well beyond 2 or three pages ago.
it's not a race to find the worst, we're talking about ninja and geoff here. you can think others are worse too.
So who is being misogynistic in this instance?
I'm not arguing this for the sake of this guy, because it was already made clear his girlfriend didn't wish for any of his behaviour towards women so I'm not sure where you are going with this.
This is something that needs to stop. Dismissing peoples issues with "there's always someone worse" no just stop.
I know his wife didn't ask for it, but he's the one hiding behind the "I don't want it to cause issues with my wife" as a reason.
I think Geoff understands that to a degree if I could conjecture. Theres a reason that Pewdiepie wasnt on the stage. And sure, maybe he invited Boogie with a ticket. He wasnt on stage, and I hardly think Geoff paid his airfare for it. Geoff wouldnt even pay the airfare for the tickets he was giving out.
I never acted like that so why did you quote me?
the saddest part is that ERA is actually infinitely better than, like, every other gaming website (as far as i know) when it comes to treating women, and a lot of women still don't want to post here despite knowing about the website or even having accounts. outside of ERA, i know quite a few women on twitter who don't bother talking about video games outside of their circle of mutuals. and why would they bother? that's the only way to guarantee they don't have to deal with misogynistic crap when doing something that should be fun.
This is a great post from top to bottom. Honestly, if I were Alucard_DCLXVI_ I'd consider quoting it in the first post... if only to prevent comments like this:
I honestly don't know what your disagreement is with her then? I think she shares the opinion that women's voices here shouldn't be drowned out by men's?
What?! The entertainment industry, which covered for rapist of all types for decades and still does.
The post, while it contains lots of truth about how forums tend to operate vs the rest of the world, ironically points out the issue a lot of people have with Ninja regarding the situation.
Also, almost no one stays married in Hollywood because he or she falls in love with someone they are working with. If there is one example of Ninjas wife being right in being afraid it's Hollywood.
Speaking strictly of saying they won't work with women. You can't really get away with that these days. And yeah there is rape and stuff everywhere, including video games.
He explained his reasoning. I can see why it's controversial and divisive. Heck, I disagree with it myself. But there seems to a plurality of opinion here. Some say because it involves his relationship it's fine.
There's no other place that hates gaming as much as the gaming section of Resetera lol, every bad thing that happens is exclusive to gaming and gamers
I thought we were speaking in hypotheticals but I guess we are back at Ninja now. Where our whole conversation doesn't make much sense to begin with because his SO never had these wishes.
Because with one there might be a situation where one could cheat on the SO and with the nother there isn't. That's really not that hard of a distinction to make. Also I didn't know we were talking about me now? I actually would understand why my SO would get jealous of an attractive gay coworker because I'm bi, but that's not the situation we are discussing right now.
I never argued that we should do it. I argue against how racism and jealousy are the same thing. Which you think they are, because they both result in discrimination. I think that is indeed ridiculous.
Ooooh so now I have to grow up. Got it.
... Because sex is one of the most intimate things a couple can have with each other. For a lot of couples cheating is the breaking point. I'm not sure what irrational things a gay coworker could lead a straight male dude into.
Our social norms over the past well... forerver lead to women not trusting each other and I guess that's part of the misogynistic scheme. But I would argue guys don't trust each other either. Toxic masculinity I assume.
But there is a difference between one irrational feeling being carried out by a second person (i.e. some guy adhering to his gf's wishes) and having these feelins on your own (someone being a misogynistic fuck). The entire problem is a different one and needs different solving.
That's not jealousy. I don't think you know what that means.
