The internet disagrees with you. Bane v Batman has 14 milliom views on Youtube. TWS has, like, 1.3 million. Nolan wins in terms of memorable.
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Bane vs. Batman VS. Captain America vs. Winter Soldier: Which fight scene do you like more?
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One day I hope to understand what people see in The Winter Soldier, it just did nothing for me
might as well post some anime stretch frames while you're at it
might as well post some anime stretch frames while you're at it
for memorable? youtube views indicate memorable as people watch memorable things.
The Bane vs Batman video has about 14 million views, and the Winter Soldier fight has the 1.4 million view video you cited, plus the much more popular 11.7 million view version here:
Batman vs Bane gave MANY glorious memes for years, and that's the only thing I remember about that fight.
Dudes in here talking about gravitas, when in reality, what most people will remember it for is is...
"Ahhhhh, you think darkness is your ally?"
Dudes in here talking about gravitas, when in reality, what most people will remember it for is is...
"Ahhhhh, you think darkness is your ally?"
I think Bane is well written in this scene. I feel like most people repeated it because it was memorable, not bad.
Christian bale flailing about in that awful suit isn't great. The fight scenes are the weakest part of the nolan trilogy, whereas fight scenes are the winter soldiers most prominent stuff
That doesn't remove all of the other tension surrounding it, or the relevance to the story.
And I'm pretty sure the audience didn't know yet by that point. Not without outside knowledge. That's the first time Bucky is unmasked in the movie, isn't it?
The story of the reveal is not told trough the fight. Cap does not try to reveal the Winter Soldiers identity, Bucky is not fighting to hide it.
The story being told is equally strong and skilled fighters clashing. Which is a Marvel habit.
The reveal is the end of the fight. The mystery of who the hell this guy is that's mixing it up with Steve is very much during the fight. During the whole highway scene, really, as he gradually loses the pieces he wears that cover up the top and bottom halves of his face.
It's weird to reduce the scene to "two equally strong and skilled fighters clashing" when half the narrative weight of TDRK scene is "oh shit, this guy can go blow for blow with Bruce" too.
And it comes back around, both at the end of Winter Soldier, and throughout Civil War, which is why I disagree with the idea that Bucky stops being menacing after this movie. His ability as a fighter is used to instantly communicate just how much stronger Spider-Man is than most of the Avengers present in that film (despite being green as hell).
Frankly this isn't particularly well directed/edited. Like this kick.
This bit starts with Bucky on the left, and Steve on the right. But randomly the action changes the sense of direction in the middle of the kick for no reason whatsoever. You can barely see him landing the kick for that matter. And then it goes back to showing Bucky on the left side. And Bucky does some kinda spin to shoot at somebody on his right side...but Steve landed on his left side? And in the next shot Steve is magically on the right side of the screen. This is basically visual nonsense. I usually hate this kind of action direction. Full of close-ups, shaky cam, choppy editing, all doing a poor job at placing the characters on the scene.
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The freshest fight scene in Winter Soldier is actually what starts with Cap in the elevator against all those Hydra-turned folks and escalates from there.
The longer you watch the funnier it getsThing of beauty
His role was
The TDKR scene gives us some of Banes background, which is part of the reason why Batman is completely outmatched, a glimpse of Banes plan, which also shows he outsmarted Batman and of course a increasingly desperate Batman who is running out of tricks. And of course a remorseful Catwoman, which foreshadows what happens later.
On the other side... there is a bit less going on
Batman doesn't even fight like he's trained in martial arts. In fact I was thinking 'is he gonna trip over his cape?' at the back of my head when i watch the Batman-Bane fight.
I honestly doubt those who voted for Batman-Bane know anything about movies at all.
I honestly doubt those who voted for Batman-Bane know anything about movies at all.
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A few weeks ago I searched for the teaser/trailer just for that moment. It was a really hype moment but the overall fight was just bad imo.I remember I time when this was the hypest thing on the internet
The people who say we knew who Bucky was so there was no tension or meaning; didn't most of us know Bats would get his back broken.
Read through it and some of theses takes are hilarious. A user even went so far as to say cool action doesn't make an action scene great. I'm struggling with that one.
The Batman trilogy is the worst portrayal of skilled fighters I've ever seen in a big budget film. Luckily they were included in good movies.
Revealing the Winter Soldier to be Bucky tells you why he's so damn powerful; Hydra experimented on him in the first movie. Nothing ever came of it, but then you realize dude survived his fall, was recovered by Hydra, and that's how he's been popping up as this menacing assassin throughout the century. Steve puts all that together between the end of the fight and the beginning of the third act, which informs his mindset and mood going into the film's conclusion.
Though I suppose none of that being explicitly relayed to the audience in that moment explains why lesser minds would smirk at the scene as being shallow.
And again, the action is just straight up better.
All what I said was gradually losing pieces of clothes is not a whole lot of storytelling. Because it ain't.
Winter Soldier easily.
I don't remember liking a single fight scene in Nolan's Batman trilogy. I liked the movies but the fighting was always a massive letdown for me.
I don't remember liking a single fight scene in Nolan's Batman trilogy. I liked the movies but the fighting was always a massive letdown for me.
QFT Bane/Bats is not even good let alone comparable to anything
You reducing the scene to that is weird.
But again, I get how someone would miss out on the subtext.
I think BvB is a better scene, but CAvWS is a better fight scene.
Fight scenes are a bit weird because they are still overall scenes.
Eh, I dunno. I think I liked TDKR movie more, and I think the quotes were much more memorable in that. Choreography can be better in the Cap fight, but I can't tell you one thing that I can remember outside of maybe a motorcycle chase happened(?) and I can basically remember the bane fight shot for shot.
I have a feeling the votes are gunna go to Cap but I really can't remember a single thing from that fight.
I have a feeling the votes are gunna go to Cap but I really can't remember a single thing from that fight.
I mean, take the various fight scenes in Batman Returns. They're all terrible fight scenes but they're also great scenes.
Making a better example, the duel in RotJ is the best duel in the entire saga (Star Wars), despite the Bespin duel and the Starkiller base duel being better fight scenes.
To be fair none of that Cap / Bucky fight really has much lasting impact either. At the very least Batman learned more about the league of shadows from his time in the pit.
I'm trying to think of what was gained or lost from Bucky and Caps encounter.