The Bane scene is better. Way better cinematography, set design, audio design, fight progression, storytelling, dialogue, etc. some of the choreography is too loose for my tastes, but the gifs are not a fair indication of the final sequence. I don't even like the movie much, but when the door shuts Batman in and no music is played over the fight, shit got real. It's a good dramatic sequence told through action.
Holy fuckPrepare for one of the more lopsided polls here.
Like, this isn't a fair fight.
American action movies are only just now getting away from the constant jump cuts thanks to John Wick. Well, at least the mainstream ones. Shit starring Michael Jai White never really had much of them, lol. I think Deadpool and Atomic Blonde are the only ones beside John Wick without a bazillion cuts, but everything else is slowly catching up.This looks better than the finished product which is a real shame.
But the set piece that all of those revolve around -- the fights -- are total ass. So everything building up to the conflict may be cool, but it's all useless if the conflict is atrocious.The Bane fights from The Dark Knight Rises, and the SWAT scene from The Dark Knight are three of my favorite action scenes in any comic book film. One shows the strategic brilliance of Batman — that even when the situation spins out of control and he has to improvise, he's still capable of saving the day without any loss of life. Thematically, the Bane fight was exceptional; Ra's al Ghul's two greatest students using the same exact teachings to break each other physically and spiritually. Nolan shot it very well, and he did a good job of setting up the right amount of drama. The Bane fight was also the first time we'd had ever seen Batman truly weak and powerless; even if Batman Begins when Scarecrow lit him on fire, Alfred and Lucius were able to save him. No one was coming to save Bruce this time, and that level of vulnerability in a story about Bane showed that Nolan really understood the character.
that shit was A+
Cap and Winter soldier objectively
Bane vs Batman irrationally
I voted Bane and Batman
#WeDontDeserveSnyder
The way that Bane breaks Batman's back looks comical...ly bad. Comically bad.
The actual fight is over-edited unfortunately.
But the actual delivering of blows isn't what makes a fight scene good unless the movie is literally a fight movie like the first Raid movie.
Best action scene in any comic book movie. Which is weird since that Knightmare thing is the worst.
I thought everything else that went into those scenes were done well enough to carry the action and negate the lack of special fight choreography (which certainly wasn't Nolan's strong suit). There are many fight scenes that may have good choreography, but fail to resonate with me in the same way as the Bane fight in their totality (e.g. basically anything in BvS). Also, I think the basic, hopeless fighting style that Bruce employs in the Bane fight fits with how broken, out of shape, and mentally shot he was by the time Selina shuts the gate on him, and he's forced to rely on skills he hadn't used in years, against someone who was his equal. I would say that most fights are probably more pleasing to the eye than what the Nolan films offer, but Nolan did a good job of making those scenes stick with me.But the set piece that all of those revolve around -- the fights -- are total ass. So everything building up to the conflict may be cool, but it's all useless if the conflict is atrocious.
None of those scenes stick with me because they're comically awful and are ripe for immediate criticism. They immediately defeat all context surrounding them. You can show an exhausted and out of shape superhero get their ass kicked by someone their skilled equal and in better shape with better choreography. Hell, Jackie Chan made a career out of expressing his characters barely getting through fights (and soundly getting his ass kicked in others until his comeback later on in the movie).I thought everything else that went into those scenes were done well enough to carry the action and negate the lack of special fight choreography (which certainly wasn't Nolan's strong suit). There are many fight scenes that may have good choreography, but fail to resonate with me in the same way as the Bane fight in their totality (e.g. basically anything in BvS). Also, I think the basic, hopeless fighting style that Bruce employs in the Bane fight fits with how broken, out of shape, and mentally shot he was by the time Selina shuts the gate on him, and he's forced to rely on skills he hadn't used in years, against someone who was his equal. I would say that most fights are probably more pleasing to the eye than what the Nolan films offer, but Nolan did a good job of making those scenes stick with me.
Bane fight had a lasting impact. Cap, brushes himself off and goes again (boring).
I admit the Cap fight is choreographed much better, but it was forgettable because it was like a Family Guy fight, throwing everything at each other, rinse repeat for 10 minutes that leads to nothing. Dont say it came to an illuminating moment between the two through a flurry of fists, cant roll my eyes harder.
I think they're legitimately good scenes, especially the SWAT one. And Nolan did hire people and actual martial artists to help with the fight direction in his films and decided on Keysi. It's not the most pleasing fighting style, but it's brutally effective and realistic, which is tailor-made for this depiction of Batman. Nolan also had a specific way that he wanted to shoot his fight scenes, and wanted Bale to be heavily involved in the stunts. His mindset in Batman Begins with the erratic, quick-cut fight scenes was to show what Batman looked like from a criminal perspective, which he dropped in the sequels so that we could see the action.None of those scenes stick with me because they're comically awful and are ripe for immediate criticism. They immediately defeat all context surrounding them. You can show an exhausted and out of shape superhero get their ass kicked by someone their skilled equal and in better shape with better choreography. Hell, Jackie Chan made a career out of expressing his characters barely getting through fights (and soundly getting his ass kicked in others until his comeback later on in the movie).
Nolan's strong suit not being fight scenes isn't an excuse because he could've easily hired people who have skills in fight cinematography and coreography as assistant directors.
The Russos did sitcoms and rom-coms before Winter Soldier; do you think they had any idea how to properly direct and film fight scenes? Probably not, but they probably got people on board who did to help them out.
Yes. What a weird poll.Cap.
Isn't that considered one of the greatest fighting and action scenes in Superhero movies?
what is that supposed to mean?
there aren't that many voters
Cap vs Winter Soldier not only is the far superior show down, but the emotional impact to the reveal of who the Winter Soldier is hits so much harder than finding out that Bane is Talia's juiced up foot soldier. What a terrible conclusion to that story.
TDKR has better cinematography and music at least.Yep. We are in reality, where Winter Soldier is better than Dark Knight Rises in every way.
Bane fight had a lasting impact. Cap, brushes himself off and goes again (boring).
I admit the Cap fight is choreographed much better, but it was forgettable because it was like a Family Guy fight, throwing everything at each other, rinse repeat for 10 minutes that leads to nothing. Dont say it came to an illuminating moment between the two through a flurry of fists, cant roll my eyes harder.