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Bane vs. Batman VS. Captain America vs. Winter Soldier: Which fight scene do you like more?
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Yeah I have to go with this. That entire fight is so kinetic. The choreography is superb and really highlights how much of a threat Bucky is.
The fight between Batman and Bane is cool, I guess, but the "breaking the Bat" moment was actually kinda... underwhelming. The one moment we were all waiting for, the most iconic moment in Bane's entire existence, and it felt limp.
I mean, what are we even discussing anymore?
Which fight scene do I like more? TDKR.
Which fight scene dod I think is better? TDKR for reasons already explained.
Which fight scene is more memorable? TDKR as seen by circumstantial evidence such as YT views and anecdotal evidence. Though nothing concrete.
The main character learned that he's alive, when the viewer knew this way beforehand...that really had a lasting impact? Huh...what did that fairly obvious reveal change for the narrative going forward for you? And what does it say about me?
I like the Winter Soldier fight more because it shows dangerous the two of them are. The first time they properly make extended contact in the film with each other and it's this incredibly fast and hyper energetic fight.
You can argue it's overly flashy but I would counter-argue that every move of Bucky makes throughout the entire scene is going for the kill. It marks him out as incredibly efficient and deadly. The shots are fast but they show very clearly and in the centre of the screen what's happening.
TDKR matters more in terms of story meaning but I don't really buy the premise of the scene. All the stuff Batman can do in these films against better armed opponents and this is all it takes to break him.
You can argue it's overly flashy but I would counter-argue that every move of Bucky makes throughout the entire scene is going for the kill. It marks him out as incredibly efficient and deadly. The shots are fast but they show very clearly and in the centre of the screen what's happening.
TDKR matters more in terms of story meaning but I don't really buy the premise of the scene. All the stuff Batman can do in these films against better armed opponents and this is all it takes to break him.
Wait wait wait, are you suggesting it's a bad thing when the audience knows something the lead character doesn't, so it means nothing when they learn it?
They are completely different scenes. One is set in broad daylight on a wide open freeway and the other is in a darkly lit, cavernous space. Action scenes are about more than pure technical qualities. There's the artistry behind the scene to consider as well. Personally, I think the Rises scene is superior because it actively reveals both plot and character. The scene in Winter Soldier is pretty visceral and "bad ass" but it doesn't reveal much about our main character.
That said, I really liked the action and tone of TWS. It felt almost like a Terminator movie at times.
That said, I really liked the action and tone of TWS. It felt almost like a Terminator movie at times.
Okay, the bathroom fight scene in Mission Impossible Fallout didn't teach me anything about Ethan Hunt, but I didn't criticize it for it, he's was doing his job, things got complicated and a fight broke out. Essentially the winter soldier scene.
The intent of both scenes is wildly different. The scene in Rises isn't so much a Big Fight Scene, as it is a beat down and meant to show how far Bruce has fallen off both physically and mentally. TWS is two super soldiers at the peak of their powers. Again, you can't assess the two scenes and say one is better because you preferred the fight choreography. I mean, you CAN but that would be ... quite limited and reductive analysis, in my opinion. You have to factor in the art of the depiction and the story being told.
The choreography of Captain American is leagues better. The issue is that it is not much weight carried with the punches. Every blow is felt but no damage is done. It is a beautiful dance.
TDK on the other hand, has the better set piece, filmed better, even the dialogue is meaningful. I prefer it, but recognize that isn't due to choreography.
TDK on the other hand, has the better set piece, filmed better, even the dialogue is meaningful. I prefer it, but recognize that isn't due to choreography.
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1. What does that have to do with the topic at hand? It's not even an argument for one being more memorable than the other. It's just YT views, and the gap between them is insignificant as hell on top of that.
2. Didn't one of these movies come out 2 years before the other?
The viewer did not know this. You only knew if you were familiar with the story already.
But they're not "terrible". That's hyperbolic. They're average choreography with fantastic atmosphere and all else.
You saying people have "lesser minds" for not seeing the intricate subtext of "It was Cap's best buddy all along!" is fucking hilarious.
As are the individuals calling this forum embarrassing for calling out Hardy's turn as Bane and Nolan's inability to direct an action scene as the jokes that they are, or defaulting to YouTube views to argue a scene's narrative and iconic superiority, when the topic at hand was about which was the better action scene.
Anything to shit on what's, by most accounts, a phenomenal movie, and one of its more memorable moments. Because it stems from the MCU. Those posters are the fucking embarrassments. The act is beyond transparent, but yes, it's hilarious I suggested that most people aren't capable of reading subtext (they aren't) when someone pretended that scene exists in a vacuum and doesn't communicate anything pertaining to the story of the movie or it's wider universe.
Yes, it is fucking hilarious that you think people have "lesser minds" over this stuff. None of what you're saying makes it any less stupid.
I agree! It's hilarious! You're right! Congrats on not having a lesser mind! Or something!
The choreography of Cap vs WS is good but the final product in the movie is not,
tons of unnecessary cuts and angles all over the place, simply look at the B-Roll footage, it's amazing.
This is why single take fights are making a comeback with films like John Wick and Atomic Blonde.
tons of unnecessary cuts and angles all over the place, simply look at the B-Roll footage, it's amazing.
This is why single take fights are making a comeback with films like John Wick and Atomic Blonde.
Well in the final fight Cap was able stop Hydra's plan. Also who cares. Cap fight is better in my opinion. It at least more technical. Rear naked choke ftw.
Bro, there was a South Park episode with people imitating his voice
It was a HUGE meme
South Par makes fun of many things. Yeah people made jokes about it, but I think people actually liked it too.
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The sufficiently okay scene is better than the hilariously bad one.
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I understand that, but unless you're going with the consensus, you haven't stated which is which
Nah. One of the dumbest things about the entire Nolan trilogy is the stupid voices everyone puts on. Batman, Scarecrow, Joker, Bane, you name it. The only reason Joker's voice works is because he's more sinister than goofy and his scars imply he can't talk properly anyway.
"In breaking news today, cheap chocolate is voted to taste better than feline excrement."
So yes, I am agreeing with the consensus.
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Oh, fuck. I missed that. Wasn't sure if it got your vote too lol
The batman vs bane has better atmosphere, tension, and emotion going on but the actual fighting is kinda bad at points. I laughed when bane did the 360 spin punch.
The Cap vs Bucky fight, while having some bad shakey cam moments, seems to have better choreography or whatever u want to call it. Basically, instead of laughing like i was during batman, i was instead saying "oh shit that was cool."
The Cap vs Bucky fight, while having some bad shakey cam moments, seems to have better choreography or whatever u want to call it. Basically, instead of laughing like i was during batman, i was instead saying "oh shit that was cool."
Bane and Batman wasn't a fight scene as much as it was a beat down. It does have more impact in the story vs WS. Though in WS, this was caps first fight with bucky and his reveal so there was some impact.
I'd have to vote for WS. There's just so much happening and even the scene leading to it, on the highway, was great. There are way too many cuts though.
I'd have to vote for WS. There's just so much happening and even the scene leading to it, on the highway, was great. There are way too many cuts though.