Banjo-Kazooie announced for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

Sponge

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Oct 25, 2017
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Imagine wanting Geno in... can’t relate!!!
Honestly, I feel like what held Geno back was Square. When you can work with third parties and get franchises like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest in your game, why pick Geno?

Then again, you could have said the same thing with Minecraft and Banjo-Kazooie. So maybe I'm wrong.
 

goldenpp73

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Dec 5, 2017
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I feel really bad for that whole team. I love so many people at Playtonic and the internet ripped their game to shreds.
It's not near as good as it could be but it's still good. It's biggest issue is actually collecting everything is near impossible despite the whole hook being to collect. Game needed a vague map system or something to at least semi direct when you get to a point. I think im still missing 5 paigies in the first world and have no idea where to go.

That said I was hoping they'd try again, 2d game gutted me.
 

HockeyBird

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Oct 27, 2017
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They should do the fake-out skit again for DLC character 4 but this time, it really is a fake out and the video ends with Sakurai staring intensely at the screen.
 

daTRUballin

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Because nobody other than Nintendo takes 3D platformers seriously anymore. Look at the anger here if anyone suggest Naughty Dog or Insomniac ever return to the franchises that put them on the map, it would be "a waste of talent" (ugh)
Interestingly enough, you don't ever hear this kind of sentiment about Rare. In fact, we hear the opposite all the time. That Rare should go back to the 90's and start making platformers again. Yet the idea of ND and Insomniac making platformers is frowned upon. Wonder why that is?

Like, if Rare were to announce Banjo Threeie, I doubt anybody would be saying it's a waste of their talent. Is it possible there's more demand for Rare's classic IPs to return than Crash or Spyro?
 

Sponge

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Interestingly enough, you don't ever hear this kind of sentiment about Rare. In fact, we hear the opposite all the time. That Rare should go back to the 90's and start making platformers again. Yet the idea of ND and Insomniac making platformers is frowned upon. Wonder why that is?

Like, if Rare were to announce Banjo Threeie, I doubt anybody would be saying it's a waste of their talent. Is it possible there's more demand for Rare's classic IPs to return than Crash or Spyro?
My take is that it has more to do with ND and Insomanic finding success in more mature titles and thus finding new audiences. You and I both know well Rare struggled for a while on the Xbox.
 
May 13, 2019
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And Banjo-Kazooie is owned by Nintendo’s direct competitor. And yet, that happened!

Disney is willing to put Mickey Mouse in a weird crossover anime video game; I don’t think putting a character exclusive to that video game in a different crossover game would somehow be a bridge too far. Do you really think Disney is going to hold Sora more sacred than Mickey Mouse?

It’s pretty bizarre to say “Sora is Disney, next” and just shut down that discussion in a world where Kingdom Hearts, y’know, exists. (And is pretty popular, to boot.)
What if Sakurai doesn't want to deal with Disney? He may have a lot of clout in the videogame industry but taking on such international giant is a whole new thing.
 
May 13, 2019
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Nintendo and Disney have worked together before, it wouldn't be solely Sakurai having to reach out and make a deal.
About this, I recall reading somewhere that there's some bad blood between Nintendo and Disney. I cannot remember why , only that both companies would rather not work together.

EDIT: I think it had something to do with the Super Mario Bros movie bombing. Apparently, it's the reason of why Nintendo went for Universal for its theme park.
 

Neiteio

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I'm still trying to process how wonderful this all is (IT'S SO WONDERFUL!!). But in the meantime, I'm wondering how the spring pad works in the air. I'm guessing that's the Up B recovery. Does it just spawn midair and you jump off it? Does it spawn and then fall to the ground like Sonic's Spring or Mega Man's Rush Coil?
 

Neiteio

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My one request now is a Witch's Lair remix (or heck, even a direct midi rip, ideally with each of the world lobby variants).

But yeah, whatever else may be in this bundle, Challenger Pack #3 is the stuff of dreams.
 

Archduke Kong

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And Banjo-Kazooie is owned by Nintendo’s direct competitor. And yet, that happened!

Disney is willing to put Mickey Mouse in a weird crossover anime video game; I don’t think putting a character exclusive to that video game in a different crossover game would somehow be a bridge too far. Do you really think Disney is going to hold Sora more sacred than Mickey Mouse?

It’s pretty bizarre to say “Sora is Disney, next” and just shut down that discussion in a world where Kingdom Hearts, y’know, exists. (And is pretty popular, to boot.)
The problem I'm seeing is the "Goku and Iron Man" rule.

Like, yeah, Sora's a video game character. Kingdom Hearts is half Final Fantasy. It has its own video game characters, yeah. But be honest with me for a minute: do you really want Sora without Donald & Goofy? Because Kingdom Hearts identity is tightly interwoven with Disney's characters. I wouldn't rule it out as impossible, with how this roster has been turning out, and I'd be down to see Sora show up (I could reactions to him being INSANE, I know a lot of people want him). But, at the end of the day, I keep thinking about Sakurai's feelings about non-video game characters, and I can't imagine Sora showing up without these non-Video Game characters.

Disney wouldn't be the obstacle here, the nature of its characters is. It would need Sakurai to open up the door to even MORE harassment from people who want Goku, because he'd be breaking the one barrier to entry to that character: that he didn't originate in a video game. I don't think you'd do Sora justice without the Disney aspect of his series being represented, and I just don't know if Sakurai will do that. I may exaggerating here but you get the idea.

It's not impossible, there's a lot you could do for a moveset for him, but he'd feel incomplete.
 

daTRUballin

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My take is that it has more to do with ND and Insomanic finding success in more mature titles and thus finding new audiences. You and I both know well Rare struggled for a while on the Xbox.
Yeah, that's definitely true. I reckon if Rare was a top tier developer on Xbox systems and released groundbreaking new IPs, they'd probably have fallen victim to the same type of sentiment.

They're definitely not showing any signs of going back to the N64 days anyway. What with their current direction in making multiplayer focused games and such.
 

Berordn

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Oct 26, 2017
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Yeah well Nintendo is now working with their theme park enemy so maybe that won't be happening.
Disney isn't going to be so sour about that if it means more money elsewhere. They're going to continue having a working relationship with Nintendo either way, so it's not like they have zero channels of communication for such a thing to occur.

It may not be likely by any stretch of the imagination, but it's never impossible.
 

Regulus Tera

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Yeah, that's definitely true. I reckon if Rare was a top tier developer on Xbox systems and released groundbreaking new IPs, they'd probably have fallen victim to the same type of sentiment.

They're definitely not showing any signs of going back to the N64 days anyway. What with their current direction in making multiplayer focused games and such.
I think Rare might be done with BK, but recent revivals like Crash and Spyro have to have Microsoft reconsider their stance on the series. They could also pull a Killer Instinct and give it to another developer.
 

InspectaDekka

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Hoping for some reason we get more Rare remixes than just Banjo but I highly doubt it.

Could go for the Live and Reloaded version of Rock Solid being in Smash:
 

jaggies

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Oct 30, 2017
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What if Sakurai doesn't want to deal with Disney? He may have a lot of clout in the videogame industry but taking on such international giant is a whole new thing.
Nintendo already has a relationship with Disney; they published the Disney Magical Kingdom games. They even made custom 3DS hardware with Mickey iconography.

I don’t understand why people are acting like it would be Sakurai himself just cold-calling companies, or why people think Nintendo making a deal with Disney to essentially promote their game would be harder than Nintendo making a deal with their direct competitor to license their characters for a game that is exclusive to Nintendo’s console. That seems like way more of a headache, to me, than licensing Sora from a Scary Big Company that they already work with.
 

Durden

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Oct 25, 2017
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In a photo on the website.

I mean, Mumbo is a fairly abstract character, unlike Humba who is a pretty specific stereotype.
Ohhhh ok. I've seen the photo, I just though that it was taken from the trailer.

And yeah, I don't really know who Mumbo would offend. He's just kind of a witch doctor dude. Which makes complete sense as he used to work for Grunty. He ain't hurtin nobody.
 

Unknownlight

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Nov 2, 2017
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The problem I'm seeing is the "Goku and Iron Man" rule.

Like, yeah, Sora's a video game character. Kingdom Hearts is half Final Fantasy. It has its own video game characters, yeah. But be honest with me for a minute: do you really want Sora without Donald & Goofy? Because Kingdom Hearts identity is tightly interwoven with Disney's characters. I wouldn't rule it out as impossible, with how this roster has been turning out, and I'd be down to see Sora show up (I could reactions to him being INSANE, I know a lot of people want him). But, at the end of the day, I keep thinking about Sakurai's feelings about non-video game characters, and I can't imagine Sora showing up without these non-Video Game characters.

Disney wouldn't be the obstacle here, the nature of its characters is. It would need Sakurai to open up the door to even MORE harassment from people who want Goku, because he'd be breaking the one barrier to entry to that character: that he didn't originate in a video game. I don't think you'd do Sora justice without the Disney aspect of his series being represented, and I just don't know if Sakurai will do that. I may exaggerating here but you get the idea.

It's not impossible, there's a lot you could do for a moveset for him, but he'd feel incomplete.
I don't see that being much of an issue, personally. The only place Donald and Goofy would need to show up is in Sora's Final Smash, which is a reasonable cameo and doesn't break the "video game characters only" rule, which only really applies to playable characters and maybe assist trophies. Sora's stage would be Twilight Town, of course, not any Disney property.
 

Regulus Tera

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People talk about Sora and Disney as if Nintendo didn't already have to deal with a multi-billion dollar corporation giant with Banjo and Microsoft and I frankly don't get it.

In fact, the more time passes, the more I get the impression it would be easier for them to work with Disney than with Square Enix.
 
May 13, 2019
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Nintendo already has a relationship with Disney; they published the Disney Magical Kingdom games. They even made custom 3DS hardware with Mickey iconography.

I don’t understand why people are acting like it would be Sakurai himself just cold-calling companies, or why people think Nintendo making a deal with Disney to essentially promote their game would be harder than Nintendo making a deal with their direct competitor to license their characters for a game that is exclusive to Nintendo’s console. That seems like way more of a headache, to me, than licensing Sora from a Scary Big Company that they already work with.
You say that as the promise of promoting a game would warranty a meaningful cooperation. SE's meagre contributions show that, for some companies, free advertisement isn't enough.
 

Altered

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I'm surprised that Banjo got in before Conker. Especially since the latter is more relevant with Young Conker for HoloLens and Project Spark.

This shit is definitely keeping me up at night...
 

jaggies

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You say that as the promise of promoting a game would warranty a meaningful cooperation. SE's meagre contributions show that, for some companies, free advertisement isn't enough.
Licensing characters is literally Disney’s business. Like, that’s how they make most of their money. Making these sorts of deals is what they do.

I don’t understand why here people think it’s impossible that Disney would ever license Sora, or that they would be this impossible company to make a deal with. It’s baffling.
 

Tavernade

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Sep 18, 2018
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Honestly, I feel like what held Geno back was Square. When you can work with third parties and get franchises like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest in your game, why pick Geno?

Then again, you could have said the same thing with Minecraft and Banjo-Kazooie. So maybe I'm wrong.
I think the Geno issue is that Sora/Hero are bigger gets and would sell better, so despite being heavily requested it’s really hard to justify him. I wouldn’t be shocked to see him on the base roster of Smash 6, but I don’t think he’s DLC material.

Nintendo already has a relationship with Disney; they published the Disney Magical Kingdom games. They even made custom 3DS hardware with Mickey iconography.

I don’t understand why people are acting like it would be Sakurai himself just cold-calling companies, or why people think Nintendo making a deal with Disney to essentially promote their game would be harder than Nintendo making a deal with their direct competitor to license their characters for a game that is exclusive to Nintendo’s console. That seems like way more of a headache, to me, than licensing Sora from a Scary Big Company that they already work with.
I think the biggest issue with Disney is future proofing. I don’t think Disney would be easy to deal with when it comes to future proofing the rights so it can be rereleased in the future. I’m sure if they tried they’d be able to get Sora in, and maybe even a Donald assist trophy, but Cloud and DQ took priority.
 

Boad

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Like, yeah, Sora's a video game character. Kingdom Hearts is half Final Fantasy. It has its own video game characters, yeah. But be honest with me for a minute: do you really want Sora without Donald & Goofy?
Yes, absolutely, throw in Riku and Kairi for Trinity Limit if they use that for Final Smash, it wouldn't feel off at all (though personally I think if he got in his final smash would be Ragnarok).